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Post by Tinneke on Apr 26, 2024 7:57:15 GMT
5 Agnetha leads in the top 10!
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Post by voyage2 on Apr 26, 2024 9:00:20 GMT
Seems pretty even on leads over the whole list. Which is a good thing, as ABBA would not be ABBA without both of them. The vocal blend is what makes ABBA sound so great and unique.
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 26, 2024 9:21:17 GMT
Good point. I've no doubt there was some petty attempt at point-scoring in the voting amongst some die-hards. It's a bit cringey when you think about it. But, where the general public was simply voting for songs that meant something to them, it's interesting to see how much the Mamma Mia! franchise and the Voyage show seem to have had an impact. For all that some of us tend to roll our eyes at the ubiquity of Mamma Mia!, it really has brought some otherwise hidden gems to the surface. Given how far this poll strays from Gold, it'd be nice to think that a new compilation could delve deeper into the catalogue and still be a huge hit.
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Post by johnny on Apr 26, 2024 9:48:43 GMT
I wonder why they released the poll results now and not wait until after the radio countdown.
They should have had a system you could vote for up to 5 songs...and not voting for one song up to 5 times.
Yes, nice to see songs from Mamma Mia! (Slipping Through My Fingers) and Voyage (Eagle) high on the list.
Not so much love for the Voyage album with only DSMD scraping in at #30.
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Post by johnny on Apr 26, 2024 10:12:58 GMT
Positons in brackets from 2010 Channel 4 poll. The Radio 2 ABBA list, voted for by listeners: 1. Dancing Queen (2) 2. The Winner Takes It All (1) 3. Thank You For The Music (4) 4. Slipping Through My Fingers (NEW) 5. The Day Before You Came[(3)br] 6. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) (11) 7. Waterloo (17) 8. Knowing Me, Knowing You (5) 9. Super Trouper (16) 10. Eagle(NEW) 11. Mamma Mia (6) 12. Fernando(7) 13. Chiquitita(10) 14. Voulez-Vous(20) 15. SOS(15) 16. The Name Of the Game(9) 17. Take A Chance On Me(12) 18. Does Your Mother Know(19) 19. Lay All Your Love On Me (14) 20. I Have A Dream(13) 21. One Of Us (8) 22. Angeleyes(NEW) 23. Andante, Andante(NEW) 24. Summer Night City(18) 25. Money, Money, Money(22) 26. My Love, My Life(NEW) 27. Our Last Summer(NEW) 28. Honey, Honey(NEW) 29. The Visitors(NEW) 30. Don’t Shut Me Down(NEW) I wonder how different this list would have been had it NOT been possible to vote for the same song five times? www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/your-ultimate-abba-song-results-announcedAnd here is the Channel 4 list 25 - Ring Ring 24 - Head Over Heels 23 - I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do 22 - Money Money Money 21 - Under Attack 20 - Voulez-Vous 19 - Does Your Mother Know? 18 - Summer Night City 17 - Waterloo 16 - Super Trouper 15 - SOS 14 - Lay All Your Love On Me 13 - I Have A Dream 12 - Take A Chance On Me 11 - Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight) 10 - Chiquituita 9 - The Name Of The Game 8 - One Of Us 7 - Fernando 6 - Mamma Mia 5 - Knowing Me, Knowing You 4 - Thank You For The Music 3 - The Day Before You Came 2 - Dancing Queen 1 - The Winner Takes It All The Channel 4 list was just UK singles. The BBC list was wider but all the NEW entry songs on this list are from either Mamma Mia or the Voyage show.
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Post by johnny on Apr 26, 2024 12:39:48 GMT
^ Breakdown by album
Ring Ring 0 Waterloo 2 ABBA 2 Arrival 4 The Album 4 Voulez Vous 5 Super Trouper 5 The Visitors 3 Voyage 1 Non-album 4
UK Singles not in chart
Ring Ring So Long I do x5 Head Over Heels Under Attack I Still Have Faith in You
All the flops with the exceptiom of The Day Before You Came which is Top 5.
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Post by Alan on Apr 26, 2024 13:18:13 GMT
All the flops with the exception of The Day Before You Came which is Top 5. And this is where I would have liked it to be just one vote allowed per song. I’ve got nothing against that song at all, but I can’t help but feel it’s the hardcore fans giving five votes to it that’s caused it to be so high. As HOMETIME says, it’s a bit cringey. Then again, I Have A Dream seems to do quite well in these things and I can’t imagine there are any hardcore fans giving that five votes. Or Thank You For The Music for that matter.
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Post by johnny on Apr 26, 2024 14:04:21 GMT
From the poll webpage
"You had up to five votes that you could spread among different songs or use on one song."
Clearly this is a flaw.
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Post by Alan on Apr 26, 2024 20:10:52 GMT
ABBA - Against The Odds trailer:
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Post by matt on Apr 26, 2024 20:59:16 GMT
Don't think I've seen the footage at 00.26 before
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Post by Tiger76 on Apr 28, 2024 8:05:29 GMT
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Post by justabba on Apr 28, 2024 10:12:15 GMT
Really enjoyed the channel 4 documentary last night. An interesting new way of telling the story. Abba, 50 years of pop.
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 28, 2024 12:55:02 GMT
I liked that it focused so squarely on the music - none of the kitsch, costumes, money or divorce tabloidism. The talking heads were great. There were surprisingly few ABBA songs, though?
Has anyone noticed that The Visitors (song) has crept into the more recent documentaries? It could be the Voyage show, of course, but I'd like to think that there is a growing willingness amongst TV producers to dip into the catalogue beyond the Gold tracklist.
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Post by Tiger76 on Apr 30, 2024 10:02:03 GMT
I didn’t vote in the Radio 2 poll but I’m pleased that TDBYC has again charted so high in another Abba list. I don’t think its performance can be put down to conspiracy theories about hardcore fans of the song giving it 5 votes. That’s just speculation and there’s no hard evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact that songs like TYFTM and are in the list might demonstrate that those who voted were not exactly hardcore fans - STMF too. I think it’s refreshing that we all have different tastes and likes so vive la difference I say. You can take the joy of these things away if you focus on why you think say song 12 should rank higher than song 9 or whatever . The love for TDBYC, Eagle, the Visitors and Andante Andante hopefully means the public is now more aware of deeper cuts which is great. Colin recently posted show that there are more streams of STMF from the Mama Mia soundtrack than from the original version. This shocked me! However it shows how the film franchise is exposing Abbas songs to a wider audience and the fact that the song did so well in this poll hopefully means that more and more people are aware that the original and best version is by ABBA.
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Post by johnny on Apr 30, 2024 10:40:16 GMT
Some of those MM songs are indeed more popular than the original. In the UK...
STMF both Silver (200,000 "sales") but Mamma Mia version got there first.
Why Did it Have to be Me (Mamma Mia) silver
When I Kissed the Teacher (Mamma Mia) Gold (400,000)
Honey Honey Gold for MM version but Silver for ABBA original
Previously mentioned more people probably know When All is Said and Done from Pearce Brosnan than ABBA. Don't have nightmares with that thought!
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Post by Alan on Apr 30, 2024 12:42:06 GMT
Interesting that it looks as though it will be on BBC iPlayer on 4 May, ahead of its BBC One broadcast on 8 May.
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Post by gazman on Apr 30, 2024 20:57:35 GMT
Did we not read somewhere that the documentary would focus between 1976 and 1980?
There is footage in the trailer alone from both 1973 and 1981....
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Post by baab on May 3, 2024 14:02:15 GMT
^ If you focus on one thing, it is not impossible to stray to other things from time to time, I think.
And to keep out the early and late years completely would be strange as well.
Therefore, in Germany, this documentary is titled ABBA - The Whole Story.
Wait - it is also not correct because the story ends 1980/1981, not 2021.
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Post by johnny on May 3, 2024 15:01:06 GMT
'Yep. The focus may be 1976-80 but surely they have to mention the periods before and after.
Has this been shown already in Germany/other countries?
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Post by bjorenny on May 4, 2024 8:10:53 GMT
A quick reminder that 'ABBA - Against The Odds' is now on BBC iPlayer.
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Post by gazman on May 4, 2024 18:24:14 GMT
'Yep. The focus may be 1976-80 but surely they have to mention the periods before and after. Has this been shown already in Germany/other countries? I watched it this afternoon and found it enjoyable - but it feels very abrupt in its ending. The photo on the sleeve of 'The Visitors' is shown, but to all intents and purposes the ABBA story stops at the two 1980 singles and the 'Super Trouper' album...the narrative seems to be "...against all the odds, they made an album as critically-acclaimed as 'ST'..."
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Post by foreverfan on May 4, 2024 19:31:00 GMT
I also watched it this afternoon....
Personally, it was OK, no great revelations, mostly seen before, some nice photos, it kept me watching but would I see it again...no... Glad I didn't wait until late Wednesday night, watch it on I-player.....
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Post by welshboy on May 4, 2024 19:36:37 GMT
I enjoyed the the show. I have just finished watching it. It was ok most of what was on the screen I had seen before. I was hoping for more. As a fan of this group since the age of 10 there is not much I have not seen.
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Post by Alan on May 4, 2024 20:18:03 GMT
That was by far the best ABBA documentary I have ever seen. Yep, there was nothing I didn’t already know but some of it was a nice reminder (let’s face it, the hardcore fans are hardly going to learn anything from these things). Talking heads were there but you didn’t actually see any of them, and I think everything you heard was from the archives?
That was how it should be done. And I’d definitely watch it again.
The Visitors photo is not the album cover shot (or rather, either of them). Not sure if I have seen it before. If I have I’ve forgotten.
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Post by breifne on May 4, 2024 21:41:36 GMT
Thanks Alan - I live in the Republic of Ireland and so can’t access BBC player - on your recommendation will now watch the show on BBC1 on Wednesday night - thanks!
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Post by baab on May 5, 2024 5:40:03 GMT
Has this been shown already in Germany/other countries? In Germany, it is available in the ARD Mediaplayer. It will be shown on 9th May - late in the evening. After 10 PM I think... I'm glad they didn't synchronise it!
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Post by lamont on May 5, 2024 11:50:15 GMT
Although I enjoy the new documentary, it did feel as though it was only part of the jigsaw. The producers desperately wanted to create a narrative and story arc, of overcoming the bad criticisms that ABBA received to the unanimous positive reviews that the Super Trouper album received. To detail what happened before Waterloo and ignore the period after 1980 is left with a feeling of being shortchanged. There is a story in the ABBA legacy somewhere, just needs to be dug out, may have been better having the 1982 period slowly drifting away then the ABBA resurgence in 92, with the mid eighties being their dark period, which it most definitely was.
The documentary was well researched though.
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Post by Richie99 on May 5, 2024 12:30:09 GMT
I just finished the documentary, and I would agree it’s one of the best on the band. It did a great job of contextualising the band with wider events in the 1970’s. We’ve come a long way since A for ABBA in 1993/4!
I would just echo the comments that it ends very abruptly with Super Trouper, and the tale feels incomplete. There was only one more album to cover. I would have cut down some song clips, like the Spanish Chiquitita section, to make room. It also left the impression they failed in America, when the reality is that they just did ok, but not as well as elsewhere!
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Post by jj on May 5, 2024 15:15:56 GMT
I've lowered my expectations for "Against the Odds". I still look forward to seeing it, but I'd built up some unreasonably high expectations for it, thinking it might be more... I don't know... "amazing", I guess, even for long-time fans such as myself (with, for example, more archival studio material from the vaults getting their very first airing). I also thought there'd be tons of never-before seen film clips from behind the scenes, in the studio, and new pictures. I thought they'd play around with isolated tracks from the better known studio songs, such as just those featuring guitars, or just piano, as well as some of the deeply-buried vocal gymnastics the girls performed at times, bits and harmony parts that can just barely be heard on the outer fringes of certain songs on their officially released mixes extracted, brought to prominence for our delight. These would have given we older fans a lot to smile about and marvel at. (To great effect, Rogan's team fooled around with some of the tracks that make up the final version of "Bohemian Rhapsody", for example, in the Freddie Mercury documentary. But no such playfulness with ABBA's songs here, it seems. Such a shame.)
I also hoped it might have a more poignant aspect to it, regarding the real-life emotional sagas of the group members - the end of the Ulvaeus marriage in the final months of 1978, and Frida's shock and devastation at Benny's announcing to her that their relationship was over... RIGHT AROUND THE TIME that work for the Super Trouper album was finally complete! I had very high hopes for this documentary being brilliant, given the great things I knew Rogan (the director) had done before this (The Freddie Mercury Story, etc). The triumph of the Super Trouper album would have been even more dramatic had the storytelling mixed this artistic and commercial feat with Frida's concurrent behind-the-scenes despair. So amazing that both happened at almost the same time. Talk about pulling the proverbial rug out from under Frida just as one of their most satisfying and biggest victories as a working group happened. In November-December 1980, ABBA were back on top, cementing themselves authoritatively as a seriously great pop group... while at the very same time Frida was blindsided, destroyed, in the depths of despair. She'd literally become the lonely character in the song "Super Trouper" while success and accolades rained down on her. To paraphrase their latest hit, Facing four million of her "friends" (who were buying her new album), she was feeling like the loneliest person.
So, although I guess I can comfortably live with it being just "very good", that it treats ABBA with the respect they deserve, I feel cheated, and I know the blame for feeling let down rests entirely on my own shoulders.
** BTW: Australian fans can watch "ABBA Dabba Doo" on the streaming platform of one of Australia's public tv broadcasters here:
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Post by Alan on May 5, 2024 15:55:21 GMT
jj, do we have an exact (or near enough) timeframe of when Benny announced to Frida the end of their marriage (and the reason why?). It was included in the documentary that Björn’s and Agnetha’s effectively ended on Christmas Day 1978 when she left with the children that night (almost certainly pre-arranged that way with the decision to part already having been made before then). We already knew that. With Benny and Frida I’d kind of always thought it was early 1981, after promotion for Super Trouper had been completed (and one of the reasons, along with the threatened kidnap of Björn and Agnetha’s children, that no further singles were released or promotion undertaken).
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