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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 22:25:24 GMT
JLT seems to be " an acquired taste " among us fans. You either love, like or dislike the song. I think it is ABBA's " holy grail " and love it. A missed and overlooked opportunity, to be honest.
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Post by Zeebee on Jul 8, 2020 17:28:07 GMT
The video of When The Waves Roll Out To Sea that I posted is no longer available, so here is another one.
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Post by JeniLP on Oct 23, 2021 10:52:54 GMT
I wish JLT and Under Attack had switched places. UA has something dark in its mood, and something inwardly turns me off from the song though it's generally fine. JLT is so gentle and stringed with light sadness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 22:39:17 GMT
Welcome JeniLP. My sentiments exactly. I think UA is a very average song which fails to excite me. JLT has a haunting air of melancholy and would have been the better choice as single. However, I have heard Benny's comments about JLT and have become resigned to lay the song to rest.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 24, 2021 9:27:57 GMT
All groups tend to have the Holy Grail of unreleased tracks and JLT will be that track for ABBA , we rarely talk about any of the other unfinished tracks...
I was going to say lets leave it alone , however we all need that belief that we will get it someday, so have fun. fantasy thoughts about it and who knows we did say never again to ABBA and new tracks, but hey look whats happening in a few days time.... We may be surprised, JAN lay there for years and they went back to that and now its a single.....
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 24, 2021 13:57:40 GMT
I like the tune but the lyrics are awkward and would need completely reworked. So unless improved I would rather they left it alone. Doubt YOMO would have made it onto a further album in the 80s. Think the only tracks to have made it on to a further studio album at that time would have been The day before you came, Under Attack, Cassandra and I am the city. Should I laugh or cry with improved lyrics would have been a nice addition. Sometimes Bjorn's lyrics are sublime and other times clumsy.
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Post by richard on Oct 24, 2021 14:14:00 GMT
Because of Just A Notion, it has led to me to listening again, several times, to the different versions of Just Like That. I now think there just isn't some naff, unacceptable disjunction between verse and chorus, as often claimed - and I used to feel that too - but rather a nice contrast between them. That beautiful verse-melody - yes, I really think it is (I didn't properly appreciate before) - is just right to set up that sparkling, gorgeous chorus.
I certainly don't find that LAYLOM, for example, has a verse and chorus that organically 'fit' But not many criticisms about that! And I like LAYLOM. Then there is Should I Laugh Or Cry with verse and chorus very different in character, as I think I recall Michal making in a previous post in this thread
With regard to Just Like That, I'm sure a lot of negativity about it would go if the verses were done better (imo) than the various demo versions. I think the instrumentation and riffs could be improved for a start. Vocally - and I don't know if this is right - but my understanding is that it's mostly Agnetha. They could redo the verses featuring more of Frida and keep the choruses as they are, which is maybe mostly Agnetha (?).
If they did this - fat chance, I fear! - such a revised version of Just Like That might be as liked as JAN now seems to be by many.
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Post by JeniLP on Oct 24, 2021 14:49:28 GMT
However, I have heard Benny's comments about JLT and have become resigned to lay the song to rest. I can also understand Benny's grounds, they couldn't be more reasonable. The main trouble of the song is that it is no loger a "separate entity" (unlike JAN, for example): the poor thing has been tormented and torn to pieces which found their places in other works. That said, I still think that JLT has a potenial of a bonus track for whatever-release, BUT as long as B&B have other ideas to materialise they are unlikely to touch JLT. All groups tend to have the Holy Grail of unreleased tracks and JLT will be that track for ABBA Very true)) Unfinished Gestalt as it is. A necessary thing sometimes) I like the tune but the lyrics are awkward and would need completely reworked. ... Sometimes Bjorn's lyrics are sublime and other times clumsy. Well, there are examples when such tricky lyrics never stopped songs from becoming huge hits)) I now think there just isn't some naff, unacceptable disjunction between verse and chorus, as often claimed - and I used to feel that too - but rather a nice contrast between them. That beautiful verse-melody - yes, I really think it is (I didn't properly appreciate before) - is just right to set up that sparkling, gorgeous chorus. I certainly don't find that LAYLOM, for example, has a verse and chorus that organically 'fit' But not many criticisms about that! And I like LAYLOM. Then there is Should I Laugh Or Cry with verse and chorus very different in character, as I think I recall Michal making in a previous post in this thread I've never felt this 'disjunction' trouble either in JLT or LAYLOM. Speaking of the latter, I can't stop wondering how they actually came up with such a song. Connected with some extraterrestrial intelligence or whatever. I mean, come on, no human being could have created it
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Post by JeniLP on Oct 30, 2021 10:10:13 GMT
Imho this cover suffers from the same 'sterile' sound that is the curse of most modern music nowadays. Frankly, as I'm not satisfied with any version by ABBA available, I'm now trying to combine my own one (like lego, lol), just for myself to listen to. It is rather a feeble attempt, but the only option I see for the song to be in my playlist. I'm for that mainly because I like Agnetha singing it despite the unlucky arrangement.
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 24, 2022 12:35:39 GMT
I've thoroughly enjoyed Remko Van Drongelen's brilliant book "Frida Beyond ABBA" and was interested to see that Frida has commented specifically on "Just Like That." Shortly after the release of the TYFTM box set, Frida said:
"[...] What Agnetha and I did as singers, I thought was great. 'Just Like That', for example, still is a song that gets under my skin. I enjoy it every time I hear it. It's one of those songs where almost everything is just right, Agnetha's and my voice, the sound, the arrangement and the text. I actually wouldn't mind going back into the studio and fixing the verses, if the others agree, so it can be released on single."
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Post by richard on Apr 24, 2022 13:36:09 GMT
Thanks for giving that quote from Frida, Tony. I think Frida is spot on about the verses because for me - late in the day in my feelings about it - it's not a mismatch between verse and chorus, and I think the verse-melody itself is lovely; rather, I regard the instrumentation and the linking guitar riff in the verses as inadequate.
Sadly, Just Like That, is now, and seemingly always will be, an interesting and tantalising - for some of us, anyway - piece of historical what-if speculation. I certainly don't think highly of the possibilities of the song simply because it has never been officially released: my admiration goes well beyond that. But I appreciate that a lot won't/don't agree - including Benny and Bjorn, of course.
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Post by Michal on Apr 25, 2022 17:37:42 GMT
Now I don't understand their reluctance to release it even more. Agnetha said she thought JLT was a very good song. Frida enjoys it too. Does their opinion count for nothing?
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 26, 2022 14:23:13 GMT
I think if the context was right, I'd hope that Benny might eventually agree to its release. If it emerged in its entirety as part of a documentary/anthology - and not as a single - it could have a "valid" existence?
As for SILOC, I think the verses are superb. If they addressed the transition from the verse to the chorus a little more carefully, it'd be a solid gold classic.
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Post by welshboy on Apr 27, 2022 10:14:28 GMT
As I have said before I think the best part of Just Like That has been released. I do like the song as a whole and great singing. But why keep on about it. Benny does not like it so it will not come out in our life time.
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Post by skiing55 on May 1, 2022 16:14:41 GMT
I can't understand why people don't like The Day before you came it is one of the best songs ever written
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Post by welshboy on Jan 16, 2024 21:33:44 GMT
I do hear all the different mixes of Just like that on YouTube and and I enjoy the song but I don't think its one of there best songs at all. I my think differently if the song had been finished at the time in 1982. But for me I think it will always stay unfinished.
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