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Post by josef on Jul 18, 2019 20:55:32 GMT
^That puzzled me for a sec. Don't Do It is a song on Frida's album Shine and The Queen of Hearts is an Agnetha song.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Jul 18, 2019 21:10:26 GMT
'Don't Do It' was a song that Frida wrote for her 1984 album Shine and yes I do think 'When The Waves Roll Out To Sea' should have been on it as the Instrumental version is beautiful, Elaine Paige's vocal version has never been released buts it should have had its official release in 2014 on the 30th Anniversary Deluxe Edition of Chess that would have been the ideal time to release it.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Jul 20, 2019 11:30:52 GMT
In hindsight, there was a generation change in pop music in 81 / 82. Big acts like Blondie , Diana Ross, Donna Summer and Abba had become middle-aged and suddenly the charts were full of new fresh talent like Duran Duran, Culture Club, Yazoo, Bucks Fizz, Wham , Kim Wilde and others. Abba actually had lots of kid fans and their image as 2 divorced couples and the men with new babies was not appealing anymore compare wit the new acts.
The Vistors album I think Uk record shops ordered 900 000 copies of it but only half a million sold. People did not like the dark side of Abba. When Head over heels flopped in the winter of 82 I think Abba also felt relief on a subconscious level at least. They knew a pop group can be popular for only a certain time and it was time to move on. Abba was a very commercial group so the flop with HOH and bad sales of The Visitors in England did not go unnoticed for them.
The flopping probably contributed to the song writing sessions not working in the spring of 82, they were afraid of flopping again and the men more interested in their new families than writing songs for the exes. To cash in they released The singles instead. The day before you came is a boring depressing suicide song no wonder it was a flop. The same autumn CC had a big Number one with Do you really want to hurt me. A sad song , but unlike Abba , a strong melody so no wonder it succeeded.
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 20, 2019 12:34:04 GMT
1982 was very much the changing of the guard. All the new acts consolidating their successes in 1981 with bigger successes in the years 82/83. Better videos and catchier energetic songs than Abba we’re making by that point. However the Abba sound did reach the Top 5 in the form of Tight Fit with the song Fantasy Island. The song was so Abba especially the chorus. Reminds me of Angel Eyes for some reason. Also Bucks Fizz were a raunchier looking Abba having a run of very good songs. The pivoting point was Christmas 1981. In One of Us , Abba looked , middle aged , tired and bored during their performance on the video. Bucks Fizz on the other hand looked fresh, energetic and enthusiastic in the Land of Make Believe. And then there was the Human League....dubbed the electronic Abba. Abba were really up against it then. However, after being in the wilderness for 10 years, their talent has survived better than most if not all of the 80s acts.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Jul 31, 2019 16:51:45 GMT
Actually, it WAS a new generation that took over. The Human League had a big number one in 1981 with Don´t you want me . The girls in the group were born in 1962 and 1963. Compare that to the fact Frida and Debbie Harry both turned 36 that year and 1981 was the last year both Abba and Blondie had hit singles in the UK.
36 seems to be a crucial age for female pop / movie stars. At 36 they have their last big commercial successes before a younger generation push them into retirement / semi retirement. And the reason they start having babies in their late thirties
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Post by abbaprofessor on Nov 10, 2020 17:13:54 GMT
There are some logical reasons why The Visitors was not promoted. The horrendous kidnapping threat in 80 when the police adviced them not to leave the country. Perhaps the advice was still active in late 81 ?
Abba told some time ago there was a certain athmosphere in the studio when they made TV but they did not mention it at the time. Therefore no interest to promote it either ?
In late 81 both new wives were highly pregnant and due in January so one would think the men had no desire to leave them for promoting.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jan 7, 2022 8:14:29 GMT
I thought this old thread might be the best spot for news of this release. The Now That's What I Call Music series emerged after ABBA decided to... uhm... "take a little break." Hugely popular, the series felt like a serious upgrade on standard multi-artist compilations. At least in the early years. Anyway, they have started doing year-focused compilations for the period before NOW was established and the next release is a 1982 "Yearbook" which comes in February. Both TDBYC and UA are included in this release and, from this old codger's personal perspective, the tracklist is excellent. www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09PTF236F/ref=sr_1_1?crid=D1774V6WMP8C&keywords=now+yearbook+1982&qid=1641542970&sprefix=now+yearbook+1982%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 9:46:04 GMT
1982 collapse in ABBA's commercial performance was sharp and very sudden.
As ForeverFan pointed out The Visitors album was successful. 3 weeks at #1 - and if we include all 52 weeks, the 4th best seller of 1981. That said, after those 3 weeks at #1 sales declined rapidly.
One of Us was big too. 500,000 sales is good. But then Head Over Heels, released just a couple os so months later catastrophic stalling at #25 (and only #19 in Germany)
Let's rewind a few months to 1981. I don't think you can talk about 1982 without mentioning 1981. Momemtum was lost that year. LAYLOM should have been released earlier and on 7" too.
I agree with Homerime - WAISAD could have had an Autumn release. The Visitors song if released instead of HOH could have prepared us all for The Day Before You Came.
The video for One Of Us was truly horrendous. All of them had aged so much. Benny looked like a bouncer.
I think too a lack of promotion for the album too. And let's be honest that was a very adult album. Yet ABBA fans were teens. There was new music from The Human League, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Wham. ABBA had becone Mum and Dad music - but to Mum and Dads ABBA were a throwaway pop group who won Eurovision some year earlier.
They fell between two stools. Too mature for fans, too dismissed by older people.
The 1982 songs were a disappointment in terms of quality and suceess. ABBA didn't know what direction they were going. Some songs a continuation of the maturity of The Visitors, others back to Ring Ring era.
ABBA had by this stage failed to come up with the goods for a 3 or 4 minute pop song. Bucks Fizz, Tight Fit and all newer "trendy" acts were doing that.
Yes, ABBA looked jaded and old. But they sounded it too. Compare The Day Before You Came with Dionne Warwick's Heartbresker, both released the same day. ABBA sounding theatrical and serious got to #32. Dionne with a catchy bitter sweet song got to #2. Dionne was older but had an appeal to all ages. ABBA didn't by 1982.
1982 was a sad end to ABBA's career....at the time. Thankfully we got Voyage almost 40 years later.
Probably a combination of reasons for the downturn in 1982.
1. Wrong choices of singles 2. The Visitors album too mature for fanbase (at the time) 3 ABBA not really knowing what direction to go in/heart not in it 4. New music acts for fans 5. Lack of promotion or bad promotion eg One of Us video or notorious interview on Noel Edmond's TV show. The tense atmosphere between them at the time must have coloured what they did in 1982.
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Post by richard on Aug 11, 2022 11:13:43 GMT
Much as I'd like it to be about the music, looks and image have always mattered in pop, and ABBA did look quite a bit older in 81 (Nowadays you even see on the covers of classical music magazines photos of glammed-up young classical musicians.) And unfortunately for ABBA, they had lost their appeal all round. A lot of the Voyage album's appeal must have stemmed from the 'ABBA are back' excitement - the ABBA before '81; and the Voyage show because it's revamped younger ABBA.
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Post by lamont on Aug 11, 2022 19:00:03 GMT
I think everyone is correct and it’s not just one thing that caused the downturn in ABBA’s success: it was their life imitating their art, and other’s art too! Think how odd it must have been when Not The Nine O’Clock News sketch show issued an ABBA parody with “One Of Us Is Ugly…” then ABBA release One Of Us! The divorces, the bad business deals which lead to protests outside of Polar offices, Frida’s solo success (I honestly suspect that Benny was less than happy with the content of such songs from that album being a direct link to him, he definitely didn’t want to contribute anything to that album.) ABBA’s 70’s styled cabaret act compared to Shakin’ Stevens, Adam Ant and Bucks Fizz, but the true giants were sweeping in: Duran Duran, Michael Jackson (compare Thriller video to UA video.) Wham!, Culture Club and Madonna. ABBA’s lack of appearances could be double edged as their TV specials were old hat. I stand by all of this for Frida and Agnetha’s solo careers too, watching them on dodgy tv shows (I’m sure I remember seeing Frida sing with a poster of Michael Jackson behind her.) older acts like Cher and Tina Turner were ok because they toured and promoted to the hilt, while Frida and Agnetha were so tired and jaded by then.
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Post by lamont on Aug 11, 2022 19:56:46 GMT
I was just meaning generally regarding Frida & Agnetha, Frida in 1982 was invigorating, but these European TV shows were kinda becoming old Fashioned, and I think that both ladies were let down being stuck at Polar, and being distributed by all the different record companies around the world. Stig demand promo videos to be cheap as possible, but the MTV generation was exploding. If Frida had done what Tina did, and toured and toured I think her success would have sustained, but disappearing for two years then launching Shine, as ABBA were so old fashioned. It’s difficult to know what market she was aiming for with the image and the eclectic music on the album.
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Post by lamont on Aug 11, 2022 20:33:45 GMT
I was a bit vague regarding Frida and Somethings Going On, I think it speaks for itself with Frida selling more singles in 1982 than any of ABBA’s, however in the UK she was badly let down, someone with her success should have been on Top Of The Pops, and Agnetha too come to that. I know that the show only let you appear if your song was in the top 40, and was climbing significantly. But it’s easy to look in hindsight. I’m just grateful it has all came full circle and they returned.
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Post by richard on Aug 11, 2022 21:04:53 GMT
I find it hard to watch the One Of Us video. I don't think any of them look good, but it's a shock to see Frida: apart from the unfortunate choice of clothes, here was a woman who, obviously, had been experiencing emotional pain - for reasons that don't need to be spelled out here. That was 81, yet in 82 she looked so much better. But I think the carry-over from ABBA's decline didn't help her solo career.
But how I wish Agnetha and Frida had done a post-ABBA album together; though I can understand any reluctance to do so. Not hard to imagine the dismissive copy, no matter how good the album might have turned out to be. 'It's only half ABBA!' - you get the picture.
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Post by welshboy on Aug 12, 2022 10:19:02 GMT
I am sure Agnetha was on TOTP in 1983 not to sing but to plug The Heat Is On which was very was very short screen time. I think Frida did the same thing in the late summer of 1982 to plug I Know There’s Something Going On. They should have played the whole song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:53:17 GMT
I still would have released One Of Us as a single. But WAISAD first single and The Visitors 3rd single.
You are right about going from young to mature audience in a short period. I feel the real change for ABBA was not the 40 years from The Visitors to Voyage but the year from Super Trouper to The Visitors.
A lot of new acts during early 80s but also comebacks even if only a hit in some cases. But like I said ABBA felt old and jaded.
I am not too impressed with either Frida's or Agnetha's solo albums apart from I Know There's Something Going On and Can't Shake Loose. Both written by Russ Ballard who wrote Rainbow's Since You've Been Gone and Elkie Brooks' No More the Fool.
A voice is not enough. You need a good songwriter and producer. Diana Ross, Barbra Striesand and Dionne Warwick's commercial highs were with great songwriters, inc the Bee Gees in the 80s. Similar for Cher or Tina Turner. Even Bonnie Tyler.
Frida and Agnetha never had the songs so their voices wasted on garbage for their solo careers
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Post by richard on Aug 12, 2022 20:36:37 GMT
[...] I am not too impressed with either Frida's or Agnetha's solo albums apart from I Know There's Something Going On and Can't Shake Loose. Both written by Russ Ballard who wrote Rainbow's Since You've Been Gone and Elkie Brooks' No More the Fool. A voice is not enough. You need a good songwriter and producer. Diana Ross, Barbra Striesand and Dionne Warwick's commercial highs were with great songwriters, inc the Bee Gees in the 80s. Similar for Cher or Tina Turner. Even Bonnie Tyler. [...] Perhaps the best songs Frida ever sang as a solo singer was well before ABBA - when she was only thirteen - singing some of the great standard songs with the Evald Eks Orkester. (It wasn't really an orchestra, more of a small dance band combo). No doubt about the quality of those songs from great songwriters.
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Post by Alan on Aug 12, 2022 21:42:22 GMT
I am sure Agnetha was on TOTP in 1983 not to sing but to plug The Heat Is On which was very was very short screen time. Very short indeed. Cringeworthy in fact. It was part of her promotional tour, but the interview on the BBC’s Breakfast Time was far more important. If you’re going to have the artist on TOTP, at least let them mime to the record, not have Tommy Vance drool all over them. Mike Chapman (the producer Tommy refers to) isn’t even British, but is termed Australian-American.
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Post by Alan on Aug 13, 2022 15:55:02 GMT
The reason One of Us was selected was that Polar’s licensee record companies in Europe favoured it over When All Is Said and Done. Though a US hit and a video already in the can, the licensees had a lukewarm reaction to it. Perhaps a bit too much washing of dirty linen in public? A different marriage and a different singer, but still same-old, same-old? Although One of Us wasn’t that far off, it won out. Perhaps the reason ABBA look so awful in that video is that they weren’t expecting to have to make it at all, at least not at that point.
Personally I think One of Us was the right choice. At the time of the album’s release, Head Over Heels was my favourite track on it, so seemed the natural choice for second single. I wasn’t fussed with WAISAD and was surprised to read in the ABBA Magazine that fans preferred it to Head Over Heels.
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Post by justabba on Aug 13, 2022 20:37:37 GMT
I'm with Johnny. I would definitely have chosen those 3 as the singles
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 6:15:16 GMT
Alan, that might have bern the reason why WAISAD wasn't a single in Europe but some decisions are wrong! Both WAISAD and One Of Us are break up songs but WAISAD had a bit more of a spark about it. One of Us more Agnetha in self-pitying mode. They should have released it before The Visitors album. They missed out not releasing a track then.
As for the six 1982 songs, none of them were single material. I know a lot of fans like The Day Before You Came but it was more album track. Under Atrack would have been B side material at ABBA's peak.
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Post by welshboy on Sept 1, 2022 14:08:06 GMT
Over the last few weeks I have been playing the six 1982 songs and I have grown to love then as I have got older. As a 15 year old TDBYC was lost on me. I did love Ca, YOMO, UA then and now with the internet have loved IATC but just liked JLT and I can see why Benny is not happy with it coming out in full. TDBYC was and still is a classic.
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Post by welshboy on Oct 27, 2022 9:51:34 GMT
I don't know what it is about 1982 but I loved the build up to the The Singles The first ten years. The two singles that came out and the TV interviews that went along with it all.
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Post by welshboy on Oct 29, 2022 13:40:37 GMT
After posting about liking the run up to the releases of 1982. We did have a good run from August to December. Starting with Frida's single " I know theirs something going on". Then in September her LP came out and Tomas Ledin and Agnetha's single " Never Again. In October we had Abba's single " The Day Before You Came". In November the LP The Singles and lastly in December the single Under Attack. In that time frame Abba were in London in early November too. So it was a good time to be an Abba fan.
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Post by iiwftn on Jan 6, 2024 0:57:44 GMT
As a band, they had lost a bit of the magic. The songs weren’t quite as good. They had become jaded, both in sound and image. They were two divorced couples, looking more middle-aged with each passing video. And younger, fresher and more exciting bands were breaking through.
And then there was that interview with Noel Edmunds, with Benny embarrassing his ex-wife in front of the TV cameras.
All of this, just five years after Sydney when they smashed it out of park and the girls looked like goddesses.
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Post by lamont on Jan 6, 2024 7:17:33 GMT
Thing is, 1982 is such a pivotal year though, it is really thought provoking watching a group disintegrate before our eyes. It was such a sad period being a fan.
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Post by Michel on Jan 6, 2024 9:34:37 GMT
In the Netherlands ABBA was still very popular and succesful at the time: One Of Us: number one in both major Dutch charts (Top 40 and Single Top 100). Head Over Heels: number four in Top 40 / number one in Single Top 100. The Day Before You Came: number three in both charts. Under Attack: number five in Top 40 / number 7 in Single Top 100.
At the time I wasn't that aware of what was going on in the charts internationally, the commercial decline. But I remember watching the broadcast of The Story Of ABBA on Dutch TV at the end of 1982 and I was quite taken aback by the way they talked about ABBA, as if it was already in the past (which in hindsight it was). Especially Benny was very clear in his statements, saying he didn't feel there was anything left to achieve with ABBA and that he was keen to start with something new. But Frida also stated she and Agnetha had been working on their own separate projects (Something's Going On and Raskenstam).
Perhaps Benny and Frida's divorce was the last straw. Judging from the outside Agnetha and Bjorn's divorce seemed to be an amicable one, but Benny and Frida's less so. The atmosphere seemed strained after that and they looked much older, thus becoming less appealing to the young pop audience.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Nov 10, 2024 18:52:01 GMT
I had been trying to work out for a long time whether 'You Owe Me One' was a Frida lead or a joint lead vocal and having listened to the song several times over the last 3 days its definitely a joint lead you can hear Agnetha very clearly in the first and second verse.
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Post by baab on Nov 11, 2024 18:04:40 GMT
I know that You Owe Me One is disliked by many, but I like the guitar and synth sounds very much. The Aha - Mmh sounds very outdated though.
Although I believe there are two AHAAA Icons on this planet. ABBA and Lady Gaga - just listen to the new single "Disease" :-D
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