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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 23, 2020 21:29:49 GMT
As you all may know, Eurovision 2020 has been cancelled due to the coronavirus.
We can have our own Eurovision 2020 made up from ABBA songs instead.
There will be 3 different sections:-
Semi final 1 and Semi final 2
• Includes album tracks and non-single songs such as A and B sides.
• Songs featured on ABBA Gold go straight to the final so are excluded from the semi finals.
• Excludes international versions of songs, alternate versions, live performances and unreleased songs.
• This should total 40 songs for each semi final.
• Message me your 3 favourite songs from each semi final. These are given 1 point each.
• The top 10 songs with the most points go to the final.
Final
• ABBA Gold songs
• Top 10 songs from each semi final
• Again, this should total 40 songs
• Rank the ABBA songs in the 8-10-12 points format down below
1 point -
2 points -
3 points -
4 points -
5 points -
6 points -
7 points -
8 points -
10 points -
12 points -
• Message me your votes so I can keep a score of the points.
• I shall then post the results.
Thank you orf for giving me feedback. Do you think this is fair enough?
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Post by chron on Mar 23, 2020 23:00:11 GMT
The way to do this would be for all of us to nominate fifty songs and send them to you via private message. You then select the twenty-five most popular choices and those are the songs that 'go through' into 'The Final'. Then we each award our 1 through to 12 point scores. Obviously the choices should only come from the original studio albums and/or single A sides; that adds up to a good number for us to do the first thinning-out process. Gracias Por La Musica and the live album are to be excluded from consideration; it would make no sense to have the English language version of Fernando up against the Spanish language version of the same song, or a live version of something up against the definitive studio version. No single 'B' sides. There might need to be one or two other stipulations that I can't think of right now.
Rethink: how about using the top fifty songs from the 2016 Megarate, we put those in personal preference order and submit the list to you. Here they are:
01. Dancing Queen
02. Knowing Me, Knowing You
03. The Name of the Game
04. SOS
05. Take a Chance on Me
06. One of Us
07. Like an Angel Passing Through My Room
08. Fernando
09. The Winner Takes It All
09. Summer Night City
11. Eagle
12. Lay All Your Love on Me
13. The Visitors
14. When All is Said and Done
15. Mamma Mia
15. When I Kissed the Teacher
17. Money, Money, Money
18. If It Wasn't For the Nights
18. One Man, One Woman
20. Soldiers
21. Chiquitita
22. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight)
22. My Love, My Life
22. I've Been Waiting For You
22. As Good as New
26. The Day Before You Came
26. Kisses of Fire
28. Slipping Through My Fingers
29. I'm a Marionette
29. Move On
31. Our Last Summer
32. Hole in Your Soul
33. Angeleyes
34. I Let the Music Speak
35. The Piper
36. That's Me
36. Tiger
38. The King Has Lost His Crown
39. Waterloo
39. Voulez-Vous
41. Should I Laugh or Cry
42. Super Trouper
43. Head Over Heels
44. Happy New Year
45. Ring Ring
46. Bang-A-Boomerang
47. I Wonder (Departure)
47. Dance (While the Music Still Goes On)
49. Lovers (Live A Little Longer)
50. Gonna Sing You My Lovesong
Edit: Cassandra and Elaine eliminated, being 'B' sides; Lovers' and Gonna Sing You My Lovesong included instead, as the next two from the old countdown
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 23, 2020 23:43:52 GMT
The way to do this would be for all of us to nominate fifty songs and send them to you via private message. You then select the twenty-five most popular choices and those are the songs that 'go through' into 'The Final'. Then we each award our 1 through to 12 point scores. Obviously the choices should only come from the original studio albums and/or single A sides; that adds up to a good number for us to do the first thinning-out process. Gracias Por La Musica and the live album are to be excluded from consideration; it would make no sense to have the English language version of Fernando up against the Spanish language version of the same song, or a live version of something up against the definitive studio version. No single 'B' sides. There might need to be one or two other stipulations that I can't think of right now. Rethink: how about using the top fifty songs from the 2016 Megarate, we put those in personal preference order and submit the list to you. Here they are: 01. Dancing Queen 02. Knowing Me, Knowing You 03. The Name of the Game 04. SOS 05. Take a Chance on Me 06. One of Us 07. Like an Angel Passing Through My Room 08. Fernando 09. The Winner Takes It All 09. Summer Night City 11. Eagle 12. Lay All Your Love on Me 13. The Visitors 14. When All is Said and Done 15. Mamma Mia 15. When I Kissed the Teacher 17. Money, Money, Money 18. If It Wasn't For the Nights 18. One Man, One Woman 20. Soldiers 21. Chiquitita 22. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) 22. My Love, My Life 22. I've Been Waiting For You 22. As Good as New 26. The Day Before You Came 26. Kisses of Fire 28. Slipping Through My Fingers 29. I'm a Marionette 29. Move On 31. Our Last Summer 32. Hole in Your Soul 33. Angeleyes 34. I Let the Music Speak 35. The Piper 36. That's Me 36. Tiger 38. The King Has Lost His Crown 39. Waterloo 39. Voulez-Vous 41. Should I Laugh or Cry 42. Super Trouper 43. Head Over Heels 44. Happy New Year 45. Ring Ring 46. Bang-A-Boomerang 47. I Wonder (Departure) 47. Dance (While the Music Still Goes On) 49. Lovers (Live A Little Longer) 50. Gonna Sing You My Lovesong Edit: Cassandra and Elaine as 'B' sides eliminated; Lovers' and Gonna Sing' included as the next two from the old countdown I’ve edited the original post. I’m going to keep the B sides because I think they should have an equal representation as the other songs. Also, what do you think of the ABBA Gold songs going straight to the final because in a way, they are like the “Big Five” countries. |
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Post by chron on Mar 23, 2020 23:55:23 GMT
Having suggested all that, I still think it'll be hard to avoid a predicable result. I'm inclined to select the fifty songs to be put up for selection for the final by choosing every other (i.e. every second) song from the old Megarate list, so that we get a bigger range of less typical ABBA songs. Sorry, I'm just causing confusion here, Rubber Ball Man! Maybe I should remove my oar.
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Post by chron on Mar 24, 2020 15:21:46 GMT
Have you had any submissions yet? Sorry RBM, but I have to admit I haven't really got much urge to do this. Despite whatever twists can be added to the selection process, what it will lead to is just another numbered list of ABBA songs at the end of the day.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 24, 2020 21:47:48 GMT
I haven’t got any submissions yet. It’s okay that anyone hasn’t got the urge to do it. I might try this some place else as there might be a bit more of a positive response to this. Even if it doesn’t work, it is still worth a try.  |
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Post by josef on Mar 25, 2020 18:06:27 GMT
Nice one for thinking this up, RBM. I'd like to have a crack at it but I'm not great at things like this- I tend to get muddled and post songs from the wrong album and things like that. I've had it pointed out to me before. It's not that I don't know which songs are from which album (I should do after all these years of being a fan) it's just that I make errors and it looks like I'm just hopeless. I think I'm more the "other side of the brain"? I am rubbish at maths - I see it as somehow linked to that.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 25, 2020 19:36:31 GMT
You can indeed join in. You can just choose and message your three favourite songs from the first Semi final list so far.
Disillusion
People Need Love
I Saw It In The Mirror
Nina, Pretty Ballerina
He Is Your Brother
She's My Kind Of Girl
Merry-Go-Round
Ah Vilka Tider
King Kong Song
Honey Honey
What About Livingstone
Suzy Hang-A-Round
Hey Hey Helen
Tropical Loveland
SOS
Man In The Middle
I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do
Rock Me
I've Been Waiting For You
My Love My Life
Money Money Money
That's Me
Happy Hawaii
Move On
Hole In Your Soul
Thank You For The Music
I'm A Marionette
Summer Night City
As Good As New
Voulez-Vous
Chiquitita
Kisses Of Fire
Andante, Andante
Me And I
Our Last Summer
Lay All Your Love On Me
The Way Old Friends Do
Elaine
Put On Your White Sombrero
Head Over Heels
I Let The Music Speak
One Of Us
Cassandra
Under Attack
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Post by josef on Mar 26, 2020 13:19:39 GMT
Ok, well it's still rather unclear to me but I've chosen 3 out of that list. An almost impossible task!
I'm concerned that others aren't bothering, though.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 26, 2020 13:41:24 GMT
2 people have done this on this forum so far. You and HOMETIME so far. I’m glad that at least you guys are involved in this. More than 10 people on a non-ABBA forum have participated in this so far. I don’t think there’s any need of concern yet. |
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Post by chron on Mar 26, 2020 18:50:55 GMT
I'm not inclined to do this if some of the songs from ABBA Gold are getting a bye into the final. No song should have the right to slip through the initial thinning out process (it's going to be a yawner if Dancing Queen or The Taker Wins It All romps home for yet another win).
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 26, 2020 19:21:11 GMT
It’s only the 9 UK No. 1 singles that go into the final instead of the whole of ABBA Gold by the way. Personally, I would like a song other than Dancing Queen to win. Wouldn’t mind if The Winner Takes It wins to be honest.
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Post by josef on Mar 26, 2020 20:04:19 GMT
I guess if Dancing Queen or The Winner Takes It All romps home then it's because they are both fantastic tracks.
Which would you prefer, orf? Oops. Don't answer that!
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 27, 2020 8:14:17 GMT
It’s hard to pick a favourite song when it comes to Abba. But there are times when I favour one over the other. Dancing Queen is such a special song and I can understand it topping poles everywhere. Fernando another. The first Abba song I ever bought. And Knowing me Knowing You just fabulous. I can guess that the top 20 will be dominated by the singles . Maybe after the results are in we can have two charts one with all the all the tracks and one with the singles extracted to see the most popular non Abba singles. Singles should only be those as recognised releases in most territories taking out Eagle, As good as new, on and on an on, when all is said and done and That’s me. I think sometimes DQ suffers from exposure fatigue and that’s why it’s popularity fluctuates amongst fans. But for me it’s not only the best Abba song ever but the best song ever. I love so many other bands and songs but it’s out there on its own.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 27, 2020 8:34:42 GMT
12 Eagle , 10 The Visitors, 8 Slipping through my fingers, 7 If it wasn’t for the nights, 6 Move on 5 Happy New Year, 4 As Good As New, 3 Kisses of fire,2 The Piper and 1 I’m a marionette. That was so difficult and that’s without the Abba gold tracks to chose from.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 27, 2020 9:37:13 GMT
12 Eagle , 10 The Visitors, 8 Slipping through my fingers, 7 If it wasn’t for the nights, 6 Move on 5 Happy New Year, 4 As Good As New, 3 Kisses of fire,2 The Piper and 1 I’m a marionette. That was so difficult and that’s without the Abba gold tracks to chose from. Sorry. Great list but you can only choose 3 of your favourite songs from the semi final list above as well as the other semi final list. You can do the 8-10-12 voting system in the final list. Sorry if there was any confusion. |
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 27, 2020 9:50:23 GMT
SOS , Money Money Money and Lay all your love on me.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 27, 2020 9:53:14 GMT
Where is the other semi final list? Yet to come?
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 27, 2020 10:09:20 GMT
Where is the other semi final list? Yet to come? Yeah. It’s yet to come. |
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Post by josef on Mar 27, 2020 10:14:44 GMT
This is where I get confused (not difficult for me). I thought we were supposed to post our rankings in a private message to The Rubber Ball Man?
Anyway, I'm inclined to agree about Dancing Queen. Despite its omnipresence, this doesn't alter the fact that (in my opinion at least) it really IS the greatest pop song ever. It's eternal. It's the ULTIMATE. Nothing can touch it. Sadly, it means that other ABBA songs don't get quite as much acknowledgement. Knowing Me, Knowing You is a behemoth -incredible vocal, lyrics...everything. One of Us is achingly beautiful and doesn't get nearly the amount of credit it deserves. In many ways, it's ABBA's last hurrah. And what of The Day Before You Came? I could go on...and will. I think the problem is simply down to favourites. If your particular favourite(s) don't make the top spot then it can be tempting to deny the power and worth of those that do. But there's a reason that songs like The Winner Takes It All consistently tops polls and that's because it's bloody brilliant. It moves so many people! People can relate to it. Watch a react video (a good one) and you can see the emotion it elicits in someone- its REAL and relatable. It's churlish to deny this. Same with Dancing Queen. Millions of people aren't wrong. It might not be your cup of tea but that doesn't mean it's lousy. It's like Bohemian Rhapsody. I'm not a huge fan but I can't slate it because I can see it's power and effect. I get why people love it even if I don't.
But how I'd love ABBA's lesser known songs to get an airing/appreciation. I suppose some have, to a degree (Slipping Through My Fingers being a prime example due, I grudgingly concede, to Mamma Mia!).
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Post by gary on Mar 27, 2020 10:16:45 GMT
SOS, Summer Night City and One Of Us.
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Post by dutchjp on Mar 27, 2020 10:34:41 GMT
SOS, I've been waiting for you, One of Us.
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Post by richard on Mar 27, 2020 14:12:16 GMT
I feel massively out of sync with, I'm sure, the great majority of ABBA fans, because Dancing Queen, although I acknowledge the marvellous vocals from Agnetha and Frida, is nowhere near as one of my top favourites. I prefer the melodies of lots of other ABBA songs, and the song's overall musical impact on me is far less than it obviously is for most. Having said that about the eventual winner or second place (😀), here are my three:
SOS
Angeleyes
The Visitors
I could, of course, have chosen a number of other ABBA top threes, but these three appeal most right now. The Visitors would probably be a constant for me.
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Post by richard on Mar 27, 2020 14:38:39 GMT
Just realised that two of my three aren't on that semi-final list. Sorry!
So instead:
SOS
Super Trouper
One Of Us
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Post by josef on Mar 27, 2020 19:25:33 GMT
Richard. It isn't just the sound of Agnetha and Frida singing together on Dancing Queen that makes it exceptional. It's the melody. Surely you've heard how Frida started to cry the first time she heard it because it was "so beautiful"? I agree with her. Listen to the orchestral version of the song (Muriel's Wedding)- its astonishing in its simplicity and beauty. Still, I hear you- many, many ABBA songs have exquisite melodies- Angeleyes and Happy New Year being amongst them. I mean. ..we are seriously SPOILED!
Seeing songs like The Visitors and Angeleyes here remind me of how impossible a task it is to choose- I have LOTS of 'favourites'.
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Post by gary on Mar 27, 2020 19:35:29 GMT
Just realised that two of my three aren't on that semi-final list. Sorry! So instead: SOS Super Trouper One Of Us Richard, Super Trouper isn’t on the list either. |
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Post by richard on Mar 27, 2020 21:35:17 GMT
Gary, thanks! (I think 😊 ). I realised my embarrassing second mistake soon after I posted it - and conveniently put it aside - 'till tomorrow'.
Anyway, here is my settled and final three from the first semi-final list:
SOS
I've Been Waiting For You
One Of Us
Josef, you're right - so many great melodies. But I thought it was the backing track to Dancing Queen that so moved Frida? That in itself, though, tells a lot about the compelling appeal of the song.
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Post by josef on Mar 27, 2020 23:00:10 GMT
But I thought it was the backing track to Dancing Queen that so moved Frida? That in itself, though, tells a lot about the compelling appeal of the song. Yes, the backing track, where the melody would already have been evident. I thought that was implicit in my post. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 17:03:42 GMT
This is very difficult as ABBA have such an impressive musical catalogue. So many great songs. Josef, I agree with you in respect of your comments concerning DQ, KMKY and TWTIA as well as other songs. Many are indeed enveloped in beautiful melodies. Each song is uniquely different. My choice of three from the first semi-final, SOS, Move On and Kisses Of Fire. Phew, as I have already said, a tough one. Thank you to Rubber Ball Man for devising the poll.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Mar 30, 2020 11:15:49 GMT
I did plan to put both semi final lists out at the same time but I couldn’t find the time to be honest. But here it is now. The first semi final list is still open if you haven’t voted for that as well.
Choose 3 songs from the 2nd semi final list
Ring Ring
Another Town, Another Train
Love Isn't Easy (But It Sure Is Hard Enough)
Me And Bobby And Bobby’s Brother
I Am Just A Girl
Rock 'n Roll Band
Santa Rosa
Sitting In The Palmtree
Hasta Manana
My Mama Said
Dance (While The Music Still Goes On)
Watch Out
Gonna Sing You My Lovesong
Bang-A-Boomerang
Intermezzo 1
So Long
Crazy World
Medley
When I Kissed The Teacher
Dum Dum Diddle
Why Did It Have To Be Me
Tiger
Eagle
One Man, One Woman
I Wonder (Departure)
I Have A Dream
Angeleyes
The King Has Lost His Crown
Does Your Mother Know
If It Wasn't For The Nights
Lovers (Live A Little Longer)
Like An Angel Passing Through My Room
Lovelight
Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!
On And On And On
Happy New Year
The Piper
The Visitors
When All Is Said And Done
Soldiers
Two For The Price Of One
Slipping Through My Fingers
Should I Laugh Or Cry
I Am The City
You Owe Me One
The Day Before You Came
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