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Post by gamleman on Aug 7, 2022 9:22:12 GMT
That is an interesting tracklist, Michal. It occurred to me that 2024 will also be the 30th anniversary of the "Thank You For The Music" boxset, so perhaps a re-issue of an expanded edition of that box with a fifth disc is a distinct possibility. A vinyl edition would be quite attractive, although very expensive, I'm sure.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 7, 2022 11:15:32 GMT
Inspired by johnny 's tracklist, I've had a go at one of my own. Mine is a twin approach: a single disc for more casual fans; and a two-disc set for a deeper dive and/or the more committed fan. I notice that other acts take a similar approach - the most current example is Madonna's "Finally Enough Love" compilation. I have given this the fanciful title ABBA - A Half Century - A Celebration in Music. And, yes, I've also taken a couple of fanciful liberties with mixes B&B wouldn't permit - I Dox5, TACOM, IHAD etc. Single disc: 1. Waterloo 2. SOS 3. Mamma Mia 4. Fernando 5. Dancing queen 6. Knowing me, knowing you 7. The name of the game 8. Take a chance on me 9. Summer night city 10. Does your mother know? 11. Voulez-vous 12. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! 13. The winner takes it all 14. Super trouper 15. Lay all your love on me 16. The visitors 17. When all is said and done 18. The day before you came 19. I still have faith in you 20. Don’t shut me down Double disc: Disc 1 1. People Need Love* 2. Ring, ring 3. Waterloo 4. Honey, honey 5. So long 6. I do, I do, I do, I do, I do – extra verse 7. SOS 8. Mamma mia 9. Fernando 10. Dancing queen 11. Money, money, money 12. Knowing me, knowing you 13. The name of the game 14. Take a chance on me – acapella ending 15. Eagle – edit 16. Thank you for the music 17. Summer night city – full length 18. Chiquitita 19. Does your mother know – rock version Disc 2 1. Voulez-vous 2. Angeleyes 3. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! 4. I have a dream – new live mix 5. The winner takes it all 6. Super trouper 7. On and on and on – full length 8. Lay all your love on me 9. When all is said and done – Voyage version 10. One of us 11. Head over heels 12. The visitors 13. The day before you came 14. Under attack 15. I still have faith in you 16. Don’t shut me down 17. Just a notion 18. No doubt about it There might even be scope to make a 4 disc box set edition. The third disc could have stuff like The Chiquitita Story; From a Twinking Star...; ABBA Undeleted (maybe pruned a bit); all of the live performances from Dick Cavett. The fourth disc could be a DVD with all the official videos, the Dick Cavett performances, TV performances of tracks on this set, even the godawful lyric videos. * post edited to correct the omission
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Post by Michal on Aug 7, 2022 19:02:40 GMT
^ Sacrificing two of their biggest 1979 hits would be hard to justify. And I'm saying this even though I wouldn't miss I Have A Dream at all. Does Your Mother Know is more likely a contender. One CD simply doesn't have enough space for a band like ABBA As for the DVD, I was thinking about that too. The 4K remastered videos would be great. But I'm not sure how many they actually did. It went quiet after the first batch.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 8, 2022 9:19:54 GMT
Yeah, to borrow Bjorn's comment about the Voyage setlist, "some darlings had to be killed" for the single disc version. As it happens, that incomplete list is too long for CD - even using the shorter versions of VV and TV. According to the iTunes playlist I made of it, it's 84 minutes, so not viable. I was aiming for something would be more immediately familiar to anyone attending the shows. I wanted it to include all the UK number ones and the lead Voyage singles without replicating Gold too much. I should figure out the timings for the fuller set. As for vinyl versions, sheesh... The single CD list would be a crammed vinyl double album. I suppose a single vinyl disc could have all 9 UK number ones and the Voyage singles? Would the punters want it? And the full set would probably occupy four (even five?) LPs. It would have to very attractively presented to warrant the extraction of lots of cash from fans. Blondie's recent box set would be a wonderful reference point.
Those 4K remastered videos should be prioritised over the lyric videos in my opinion. Especially if there's a compilation in the pipeline. The new, crisp visuals really elevated the clips.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 8, 2022 9:26:36 GMT
I should probably have included People Need Love to properly bookend the tracklist and honour the 50 years...?
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 9:35:37 GMT
^ Not sure if the 9 UK number ones and two Voyage singles is a good idea. Are they in the same league? Maybe they are. It was already said that to have No.9 and No.14 singles these days is an amazing achievement for a band like ABBA. Still I think that the media would be quick to comment on it and make comparisons...
As for the 4K videos, I 100% agree - they should complete the remastering and put them out on BluRay. It would be a real shame if the next DVD release was a compilation of the awful lyric videos.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 8, 2022 10:02:48 GMT
Agreed. That 1xLP idea was just me thinking out loud. It's also important that it's not completely UK-centric. For a compilation programme like this, it probably makes better sense to ensure that all 9 studio albums are represented while also making it feel like it's part of the bigger set - the 1 and 2-CD and any larger vinyl editions. If the original videos in 4K are the main feature, I wouldn't fret too much if the lyric videos were also included. If nothing else, it would give some small sense of value for money and could be marketed as a kind of interactive element ("sing along with ABBA!")
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 10:31:14 GMT
Hometime, the single CD version you have would be too similar to Gold. . I love The Name of the Game, it's in my Top 5 ABBA songs but it's not so popular now going by streaming and before that downloads. I don't think you could have it at the expense of Chiquitita.
You could have a Voyage show CD instead. Though that too would be similar to Gold. You say it runs to 84 minutes - then chop off one song.
The 2 CD version is more realistic and hopefully with a bonus disc or two. Yes, People Need Love would have to be there. I am glad you haven't chosen Love isn't Easy or He is My Brother - both appeared on The Definitive and Essential Collections.
I think a few of us are just assuming there will be a career spanning double CD. There may not be. But no harm in speculating!
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 8, 2022 10:39:49 GMT
On that basis, I suppose it'd make some kind of sense to keep TNOTG for the expanded 2-CD version. The single CD would have six tracks that didn't appear on Gold. If only B&B weren't so pernickety about tweaking mixes, it could be a much different set.
Personally, I'd take He Is Your Brother over People Need Love any day.
The fun is in the speculation, really. It would be nice to think that something more imaginative than a compilation could be released, but the beards have shown us the importance of managing our expectations. You'll notice that I avoided mention of a certain unreleased song!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 10:57:28 GMT
For any 2 CD album the non-Gold songs would HAVE To have the following, IMO:
People Need Love - 1st single
Ring Ring -1st Eurovision attempt and big hit some places
Summer Night City - actually big hit and great song
I Do ×5 - big global hit
Honey Honey - hit in some countries and Mamma Mia song
The Day Before You Came - fan favourite and big hit in some countries
I Still Have Faith in You Don't Shut Me Down - both these as comeback songs
When All is Said and Done - From Mamma Mia, the Voyage show and US hit
19 Gold + 9 "essential" other songs brings us to 28. Room for another 10. Personally I favour well-known tracks from Mamma Mia or the Voyage show rather than minor hit singles.
I love No Doubt About It, one of my faves from Voyage but the radio-only single didn't increase its popularity. Still least streamed song from Voyage.
Yes that unreleased track. I remember reading in fan forums people going bananas over it. Then I heard it. Ok, pleasant but no Dancing Queen or Knowing Me Knowing You is it?
Cassandra from that time would be a better candidate for inclusion that the song that can't be mentioned!
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 11:15:50 GMT
johnny, agreed about TNOTG. Great song, my personal favourite but out of the 9 UK number ones the most likely candidate to be left off. HOMETIME, the same for me with He Is Your Brother vs. People Need Love. Only the fact that People Need Love is the first ever ABBA song makes it a more suitable contender for compilations. As for the career-spanning compilation... I guess we assume there will be one, as SOMETHING surely must happen for the 50th anniversary and this is the most obvious release. Of course I hope there will be something more imaginative as well. After all, it's once in a lifetime opportunity to do something spectacular. And I don't mean including the song that cannot be named on another compilation. That would be seen as just milking the fans again. No, release that song, but either on its own or as a part of a collection of other rarities. And there are other possibilities. There was Live at Wembley Arena for the 40th anniversery, then why not Live in Perth for the 50th?
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 8, 2022 11:16:49 GMT
Interesting approach. It makes space for songs that rarely get included on compilations. With Hole In Your Soul, The Visitors from the show; and Andante, Why Did It Have To Be Me, Our Last Summer, Angeleyes, etc. - all of which were boosted by the Mamma Mia movies - it could freshen things up. I wonder if there are any surprises in the forthcoming setlist shake-ups?
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Post by gamleman on Aug 8, 2022 11:45:15 GMT
If only B&B weren't so pernickety about tweaking mixes, it could be a much different set. You say that but it didn't stop them from vandalising TNOTG for "The Singles" album. However, I get the impression that B&B now want to keep released ABBA tracks 'as is' for the sake of posterity - that is, outside of the Voyage show project. Actually, I think the closest we'll get to remixes is the release of a Voyage show soundtrack album, which could come before the 50th Eurovision anniversary, perhaps in 2023? The trouble is, they can't really call such a soundtrack album "Voyage" - they've already shot themselves in the foot on that one. "He Is Your Brother" and "Love Isn't Easy" made it to "Definitive Collection" because it aimed to cover all singles, although "Nina Pretty Ballerina" wasn't included (perhaps because it wasn't a Polar single). Actually, a 50th anniversary album for the Eurovision win need not start with "People Need Love" - logically, it should open with "Waterloo". It could be marketed as an album of material originally released under the ABBA name, and so omit the "Ring Ring" album material, apart from "Ring Ring" itself which was re-issued as a single after "Waterloo" in many territories. I certainly wouldn't want another live album to celebrate the anniversary, from Perth or anywhere else. ABBA were not at their best live - they were a studio group. The only 'live' album I'd like is the one for the Voyage shows, as it mixes studio vocals with new live arrangements.
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 12:02:52 GMT
ABBA were not at their best live - they were a studio group. I have to disagree here. At least partly. Yes, they had their down moments and especially Agnetha sometimes suffered from vocal problems BUT in Australia they were in top form. You can argue that the officially released live recordings were heavilly overdubbed in the studio. However I've heard many unofficial fan recordings from the Australian tour and the vocals are fantastic. I think ABBA is unfairly underestimated as a live act, even by themselves.
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Post by gamleman on Aug 8, 2022 12:51:42 GMT
ABBA were not at their best live - they were a studio group. I have to disagree here. At least partly. Yes, they had their down moments and especially Agnetha sometimes suffered from vocal problems BUT in Australia they were in top form. You can argue that the officially released live recordings were heavilly overdubbed in the studio. However I've heard many unofficial fan recordings from the Australian tour and the vocals are fantastic. I think ABBA is unfairly underestimated as a live act, even by themselves. I thought someone would disagree with that However, I have to say that when I hear their live performances, I miss their multi-layered studio harmonies and tight arrangements - essential ingredients that made me fall for ABBA. OK, they are entertaining live and the song quality is still there, but they are not quite the same for me. Having said what I said about not wanting another live album, that was really for the 50th Eurovision celebration. I wouldn't mind a live album from the 1977 shows, as I have always thought they sounded stronger live in The Movie than in the 1979 tour, vocally and instrumentally. Of course, to mark the 50th anniversary of their Eurovision win, they may simply make do with vinyl releases of the "Waterloo" album and its singles. However, I think this would be fairly low-key and if they want to make a big thing of it, as I'm sure the record company will, they will have to go beyond this one album.
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Post by richard on Aug 8, 2022 12:53:56 GMT
Although I'm not particularly interested in another compilation, even it was to mark ABBA's 50th anniversary, I've just had an idea for one, nevertheless: ABBA CHOOSE THEIR FAVOURITE TRACKS FROM THE ALBUMS. Some guesses for Frida and Agnetha: Frida: I Let The Music Speak; The King Has Lost His Crown. Agnetha: I've Been Waiting For You; That's Me. Probably also Our Last Summer. Björn? Benny? I Wonder, possibly, would be one. Trouble is, I think the ÀBBA members' respective selections might sometimes diverge quite a bit from what a lot of fans might want to hear! I take it that's a no, then?
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Post by gamleman on Aug 8, 2022 13:12:31 GMT
Although I'm not particularly interested in another compilation, even it was to mark ABBA's 50th anniversary, I've just had an idea for one, nevertheless: ABBA CHOOSE THEIR FAVOURITE TRACKS FROM THE ALBUMS. That was my original thought when I created this thread (or rather started discussing it in the big Voyage thread). Rather than a re-vamped "Definitive Collection", the celebratory compilation could be based on ABBA's personal highlights. You're probably right that their choices would not necessarily correspond to fan choices, with B&B favouring "I Wonder", "The King Has Lost His Crown" and "Under Attack". To be fair, they indicated that the last two are songs that they are proud of that have been overlooked. Thinking about what Agnetha would favour from the songs she sang, I suppose there are clues in the ABBA songs that she has included on her own compilation albums... so, "Disillusion", "That's Me", "My Love My Life", "The Winner Takes It All", "Slipping Through My Fingers", "The Day Before You Came" and I dare say "SOS". I think she is a fan of "Fernando" too. At the premier of the Voyage show, Frida said she was looking forward to hearing "Mamma Mia" and we know she loves "Dancing Queen".
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 13:29:56 GMT
However, I have to say that when I hear their live performances, I miss their multi-layered studio harmonies and tight arrangements - essential ingredients that made me fall for ABBA. OK, they are entertaining live and the song quality is still there, but they are not quite the same for me. That's the charm of the live recordings, at least for me. They're not the same. If I want perfection, I listen to the studio recordings. Live recordings are like alternate versions. I like artists, who improvise on stage. ABBA were not that kind of group, I know, but still there are great moments in their live performances. And let's not forget the otherwise unreleased songs performed only live.
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 13:35:29 GMT
As for band members' favourites... all four have expressed their affection for The Winner Takes It All. Agnetha also mentioned Our Last Summer as her favourite. And I remember Frida talking about Like An Angel Passing Through My Room as a song that's special.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 16:25:02 GMT
ABBA live songs? The only one, to me, that is as good as the original is Summer Night City. It sounds brilliant and is so different from the studio version which I also love.
I haven't heard the songs from the Abbatars concert but if The Visitors or When All is Said and Done are great live - as some have suggested, include them. I think any live song included in a retrospective album would have to be a less familiar one.
I can't believe it! I had a good idea. The double CD would be the 19 Gold Hits and tracks from Mamma Mia movies and the Voyage concert.
50 Years of Hits, Musicals and Out of this World Concert (I assume) sum of ABBA's 50 years - original career, revival and current incarnation. The new double CD would be different from those previous double ones. I need to rest. I can't believe I have had a good idea! 😀
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Post by gamleman on Aug 8, 2022 16:49:27 GMT
I can't believe it! I had a good idea. The double CD would be the 19 Gold Hits and tracks from Mamma Mia movies and the Voyage concert. 50 Years of Hits, Musicals and Out of this World Concert (I assume) sum of ABBA's 50 years - original career, revival and current incarnation. The new double CD would be different from those previous double ones. I need to rest. I can't believe I have had a good idea! 😀 Johnny, I hope you're not proposing to put tracks performed by the Mamma Mia cast on this second CD
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 18:35:58 GMT
ABBA live songs? The only one, to me, that is as good as the original is Summer Night City. It sounds brilliant and is so different from the studio version which I also love. There's at least one more - He Is Your Brother. But I see the song is not exactly your favourite so ignore both versions Otherwise I'd say there are at least a few that are as good as their studio counterparts - I've Been Waiting For You, I Do x 5, I'm A Marionette (oh, yes... you can tell I love the Australian tour recordings...) and some 1975 live renditions have their charm but the recordings are of such a bad quality, that it's often hard to tell. Such a pity none of the 1975 concerts was properly recorded.
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Post by gamleman on Aug 8, 2022 19:04:15 GMT
I have never liked the cover of Gold either, but I love the cover of Absolute ABBA.
To those of you who don't want a career-spanning compilation to mark 50 years since the Eurovision win, what do you propose as a celebration? Perhaps a globally televised charity concert at which ABBA songs are performed by other famous artists? And perhaps featuring a one-off, final performance from ABBA themselves?
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Post by Michal on Aug 8, 2022 19:12:55 GMT
I think nobody here really wants a new compilation with nothing new on it. It's just we suppose it will happen anyway The only reason I can think of that can sort of justify it is that the Voyage songs are not yet perceived as an integral part of the ABBA catalogue. A compilation that will combine the old recordings with the new ones can change that. Still it's not a reason for me to buy such a release. The charity concert is a nice idea, especially the ABBA part, but unlikely to happen, I guess. I will repeat myself, but I would like a nice box set with some unreleased stuff added, a live album a BluRay with 4K remastered videos and a tenth, final studio ABBA album of course Also a DVD with some TV performances would be nice - COMPLETE Dick Cavett Special, Studio 2 or Olivia! but I think the latter is probably not possible because it's not just ABBA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:37:02 GMT
Gamleman, no not tracks from Mamma Mia in the 2CD Rather 1. The 19 Gold Hits 2. ABBA songs by ABBA from Mamma Mia eg Honey Honey 3. ABBA songs featured in Voyage Concert eg The Visitors Any album is going to be similar to Thw Definitive Collection. As for "milestones" you can come up with any reason.LAYLOM - first 12" only single for ABBA, IHAD - features a choir. DYMK - Bjorn on vocals for a single. Blah blah blah... My tracklist Side 1 (CD version) People Need Love Ring Ring Waterloo Honey Honey I Do x5 Bang a Boomerang SOS Mamma Mia Fernando Dancing Queen Money x3 When I Kissed the Teacher My Love My Life Knowing Me Knowing You The Name of the Game Take a Chance On Me Eagle Summer Night City Thankyou for the Music Side 2 Chiquitita Does Your Mother Know Voulez Vous Angeleyes Gimme x3 I Have a Dream The Winner Takes it All Super Trouper Our Last Summer Lay All Your Love On Me One of Us The Visitors I Let the Music Speak Slipping Through My Fingers The Day Before You Came I Still Have Faith in You Don't Shut Me Down Just a Notion When All is Said and Done A) Big Hits B) Album tracks from Mamma Mia or Voyage show C) Voyage singles D) No flops eg So Long, Under Attack, Head Over Heels E) Chronological order but last songs on both sides "farewell" songs
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