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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 8:10:40 GMT
The thing you always need to do when you post info like this is to let everyone know where you heard or read it.
Everyone of course immediately wants to know who said it or where this info appeared. After all, someone actually told you this or you actually heard or read about it somewhere, right?
It was announced on a facebook fan page . They reproduced a tweet from an Edward Russell. He said 2 people had told him, but could not reveal any source. |
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 30, 2021 8:25:01 GMT
""Ok thanks... so possibly early September... an announcement ? sounds possible doesn't it !!!""
Well that was potentially a lucky guess........
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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 8:30:19 GMT
""Ok thanks... so possibly early September... an announcement ? sounds possible doesn't it !!!"" Well that was potentially a luck guess........ Or do you know more!!! |
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 30, 2021 8:30:45 GMT
I found the Edward Russell tweet. I hadn't heard of Russell before: it seems he works in TV/gaming/media/music. That kind of working milieu means he may have some loose-lipped connections, who knows? But he's giving no information on his sources. The suggested date ties in with the end of the current Instagram campaign and could be nothing more than a guess. But 3 September is only five weeks away. If the rumour is true, then surely some official marketing should be kicking in soon? From the discussion: ![]()   |
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 30, 2021 8:36:04 GMT
Font of all knowledge me.... I know what order., when and chart positions.. all will come true.. watch this space....lol
I just sit and wait !!! in reality...
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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 8:44:20 GMT
I found the Edward Russell tweet. I hadn't heard of Russell before: it seems he works in TV/gaming/media/music. That kind of working milieu means he may have some loose-lipped connections, who knows? But he's giving no information on his sources. The suggested date ties in with the end of the current Instagram campaign and could be nothing more than a guess. But 3 September is only five weeks away. If the rumour is true, then surely some official marketing should be kicking in soon? From the discussion: ![]() It certainly ties in with the end of the Instagram countdown which I think should end Sunday 29th August . But could be guess work. Who knows? I'm more sceptical about ABBA releasing an EP in October . |
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Post by gamleman on Jul 30, 2021 9:06:34 GMT
All new releases are now done on a Friday (I believe this is a worldwide agreement), and 3rd September is the first Friday after 29th August (the supposed date on which the Instagram countdown stops, something which is so rubbishy that I've lost interest in it). To be honest, I would be very surprised at the single release being so soon - I would imagine that it will be unveiled on the BBC/NBC TV special that is rumoured (yes, another rumour) to have been reinstated, although I guess this could happen in early September. I would have thought that they'd choose dates closer to Christmas for all of this - single and album/EP release. In fact, I was only expecting one song this year, anticipating that the album/EP and ABBAtars show would be launched in 2022 to mark their 50 years.
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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 9:11:07 GMT
I agree the Instagram countdown is disappointing. If there was only 1 song to be issued this year, I would have expected different language from the 2 spokespersons. Gorel said "there will be some new music" and Bjorn told the BBC "its already been stated they will be out this year". That suggests to me more than 1. But who knows.
The wait goes on and on and on with just the hint of rumour every so often.
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Post by richard on Jul 30, 2021 13:14:36 GMT
I wonder what happened to the supposed inextricable (legal?) link between the new songs and the avatar show?
Did they come to an agreement with their business partners to abandon that link because it was finally understood by everyone involved that all the delays were unacceptable? If so, about time! :-)
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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 13:16:27 GMT
I wonder what happened to the supposed inextricable (legal?) link between the new songs and the avatar show? Did they come to an agreement with their business partners to abandon that link because it was finally understood by everyone involved that all the delays were unacceptable? If so, about time! :-) Gosh who knows? Its all been so quiet with no news, although Gorel did say in the last interview that the songs go with the abbatar performances. |
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Post by Alan on Jul 30, 2021 20:07:20 GMT
The image that HOMETIME posted shows Edward saying, “No, it’s not official, but I do know” but looking at it “live” on Twitter now, that comment seems to have gone and we now get the slightly less certain “I can’t give my source - and I understand if you therefore don’t want to believe me - but I’m quite confident.” Also, he’s amended it to October. |
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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 20:18:10 GMT
The image that HOMETIME posted shows Edward saying, “No, it’s not official, but I do know” but looking at it “live” on Twitter now, that comment seems to have gone and we now get the slightly less certain “I can’t give my source - and I understand if you therefore don’t want to believe me - but I’m quite confident.” Also, he’s amended it to October. Nope it's still all there on my twitter feed. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 30, 2021 20:58:50 GMT
The image that HOMETIME posted shows Edward saying, “No, it’s not official, but I do know” but looking at it “live” on Twitter now, that comment seems to have gone and we now get the slightly less certain “I can’t give my source - and I understand if you therefore don’t want to believe me - but I’m quite confident.” Also, he’s amended it to October. He's saying that the EP/album is coming in October and seems confident that the September release will be ISHFIY. The timeframes all seem viable IF we believe that the current Instagram shenanigans amount to a countdown. But - maybe it's just me - the notion of an EP just feels very unABBA to me. My fingers are (foolishly) crossed for an album. I've come to understand that a lot of industry-adjacent people sometime have a need to be seen as oracles or insiders or "in the know" and that their words can't always be trusted. That said, I was talking to an industry person* this time last year who claimed to have spoken to someone "in the know." That conversation suggested that there were (at that time) SIX tracks. Even so.... My hopes are up and focused on 3 September. Silly? * This guy is American and has worked with Polar and Mono-related acts. I'm not sure if that adds any weight to what I heard. |
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Post by justabba on Jul 31, 2021 5:21:11 GMT
The image that HOMETIME posted shows Edward saying, “No, it’s not official, but I do know” but looking at it “live” on Twitter now, that comment seems to have gone and we now get the slightly less certain “I can’t give my source - and I understand if you therefore don’t want to believe me - but I’m quite confident.” Also, he’s amended it to October. He's saying that the EP/album is coming in October and seems confident that the September release will be ISHFIY. The timeframes all seem viable IF we believe that the current Instagram shenanigans amount to a countdown. But - maybe it's just me - the notion of an EP just feels very unABBA to me. My fingers are (foolishly) crossed for an album. I've come to understand that a lot of industry-adjacent people sometime have a need to be seen as oracles or insiders or "in the know" and that their words can't always be trusted. That said, I was talking to an industry person* this time last year who claimed to have spoken to someone "in the know." That conversation suggested that there were (at that time) SIX tracks. Even so.... My hopes are up and focused on 3 September. Silly? * This guy is American and has worked with Polar and Mono-related acts. I'm not sure if that adds any weight to what I heard. Im with you. The EP aspect sounds odd to me too. The single must come out at some point and September 3rd is as good a date as any other! |
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 31, 2021 7:32:52 GMT
Its all very interesting and what to believe if anything.. alas anyone can start a rumor , " they have a source " its like crying wolf all the time, in the end you don't believe..until it happens..why would someone outside of the ABBA publicity machine ..know.. surely if ABBA wanted a leak !! it would be more official than some obscure posting on Twitter !!!
Alas that's where i am... until its official.......Ill wait... that endless wait.....
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Post by justabba on Jul 31, 2021 8:33:55 GMT
Its all very interesting and what to believe if anything.. alas anyone can start a rumor , " they have a source " its like crying wolf all the time, in the end you don't believe..until it happens..why would someone outside of the ABBA publicity machine ..know.. surely if ABBA wanted a leak !! it would be more official than some obscure posting on Twitter !!! Alas that's where i am... until its official.......Ill wait... that endless wait..... Interestingly he tagged the official Twitter in his post !! |
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Post by Alan on Jul 31, 2021 16:17:59 GMT
I’m still hopeful of an album, too. If we do get five or six tracks, it would feel like a wasted opportunity. ABBA had two nine-track albums, so I’d settle for that and it would count as a proper album and not an EP.
It would be extremely disappointing if we’ve waited so long and there are just the original two songs. There has to be five. And if five, then why not nine or more?!
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Post by bennybjorn on Jul 31, 2021 21:24:02 GMT
I’m still hopeful of an album, too. If we do get five or six tracks, it would feel like a wasted opportunity. ABBA had two nine-track albums, so I’d settle for that and it would count as a proper album and not an EP. It would be extremely disappointing if we’ve waited so long and there are just the original two songs. There has to be five. And if five, then why not nine or more?! Apparently, for a collection of songs to count as an album (in the charts etc), it has to have at least 6 songs or be at least 25 minutes long. |
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Post by Alan on Jul 31, 2021 22:17:25 GMT
Apparently, for a collection of songs to count as an album (in the charts etc), it has to have at least 6 songs or be at least 25 minutes long. That is true, and I think I pointed out something similar earlier in the topic, but I wouldn’t personally count it as an album! Other than for chart purposes, it would not be an album. Great if it could chart as such but I’d still see it as a missed opportunity. An album was promised/intended for 1982 and never materialised, and then there were (fading) hopes that they’d get back together after Chess. An album now would make up for all that! Five tracks were what eventually materialised (officially) from the 1982 sessions. B-sides don’t really exist anymore, so it would be an EP, but five tracks now would seem like a bit of a let-down. Once again, ABBA would have fallen short. It’s a ridiculous state of affairs though. Completely irrational of me to expect an album. After 1982, I never truly expected anything more from ABBA until the announcement in 2018. But it’s dragged on so long since then and hopes haven’t been dashed (contrast that with 1982 when it was announced that they were recording an album, only for it to be abandoned and turned into a greatest hits instead). This time it seems much more positive. I should be happy with five songs or even just two, but at this stage I’m not sure. |
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Post by Michal on Aug 1, 2021 5:19:32 GMT
Apparently, for a collection of songs to count as an album (in the charts etc), it has to have at least 6 songs or be at least 25 minutes long. It’s a ridiculous state of affairs though. Completely irrational of me to expect an album. After 1982, I never truly expected anything more from ABBA until the announcement in 2018. But it’s dragged on so long since then and hopes haven’t been dashed (contrast that with 1982 when it was announced that they were recording an album, only for it to be abandoned and turned into a greatest hits instead). This time it seems much more positive. I should be happy with five songs or even just two, but at this stage I’m not sure. Yes, it's kind of funny what a few years of expectations can do to us. The same with me... In 2018 I was over the moon when they announced the two new songs and lo and behold! it's 2021 and if the two announced tracks (and it's true they haven't confirmed more) came out finally, it would be mixed feelings at best. But I always try to persuade myself they must be aware of this and if they didn't intend to release more, they would have denied the rumours flatly long ago. |
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Post by gamleman on Aug 1, 2021 9:01:17 GMT
Am I right in recalling that ISHFIY was actually recorded in 2017? If so, releasing it this year will mean it's 4 years old. This is like when I got the "Greatest Hits" album in 1976 and heard "People Need Love" from 1972 for the first time. I was glad to have it but it sounded a little dated. However, I doubt that this applies now. As far as I can see, musical styles don't change as quickly nowdays - I can't detect any change in the last 15 or 20 years, or is this just me getting old  I'm also hoping that ISHFIY and the other new songs will have the timeless quality that many of ABBA's songs have. |
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Post by jj on Aug 1, 2021 14:24:41 GMT
Am I right in recalling that ISHFIY was actually recorded in 2017? If so, releasing it this year will mean it's 4 years old. This is like when I got the "Greatest Hits" album in 1976 and heard "People Need Love" from 1972 for the first time. I was glad to have it but it sounded a little dated. Or like hearing "Hey Hey Helen" on the Voulez-Vous album. Or "Dum Dum Diddle" on the Super Trouper album. 
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Post by gazman on Aug 2, 2021 10:43:40 GMT
And if nothing emerges on Friday 3rd September, will he say 'Oh, it's been delayed....'??
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Post by justabba on Aug 2, 2021 15:02:47 GMT
And if nothing emerges on Friday 3rd September, will he say 'Oh, it's been delayed....'?? Obvs. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 3, 2021 13:08:18 GMT
He has a handy anonymous source to blame!
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Post by justabba on Aug 3, 2021 14:59:04 GMT
He has a handy anonymous source to blame! Lol yes! |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Aug 7, 2021 9:42:21 GMT
A few 'things', that may be of interest to the ABBA Fans here.
A).. Cher is having a Biographical Film made about her. Apparently, it goes all the
way up to 'Mamma Mia! 2'. Of course, she cannot show any of ABBA, as they do
not want a Film made about themselves, so they are hardly likely to agree to be
shown in Cher's Film - 'Played' by Actors.
B).. Judy Craymer has given another Interview, and she insists that there will be
a 3rd 'Mamma Mia!' Film. She is already showing her limited imagination - she
says that she has the 'License' to Re-Use ABBA Songs, from the 1st 2 Films. So,
we will see several 'Repeats'- yet again. She also says that she will be using 'New'
ABBA Songs, but it is clear that she just means ABBA Songs that we already know,
that were not in Films 1 and 2.
C).. Queen have decided to do a 2nd Film, as the 1st one took £651.50 Million, which
is over $904 Million. The 1st Film is still affecting Queen Sales, all over the World. In
fact, I noticed that they will over-take ABBA in the UK Top 10 Album Chart, within a
Week or 2. It has taken Queen's 26 UK Top 10 Albums to, (finally), beat ABBA's 9! ABBA
Albums - over-all - tended to stay in the UK Top 10 longer than Queen ones, but the Queen
Film gave a 'boost' to some Queen Albums, as regards the UK Top 10.
D).. Ed Sheeran is also about to over-take ABBA's 3rd place, in the 'Most Weeks At No.1'
List. This Week he has risen to joint 3rd place, with 88 No.1 Weeks. ABBA have held 3rd
place since 1979! Well, Ed Sheeran has just caught up with them. 1 more UK No.1 Week
and he stays in 3rd place, (89 No.1 Weeks), and ABBA fall to 4th place.
E).. I went 'quiet', regarding the New Songs from ABBA. I see no use in us discussing
it. Nearly all of it is 'Gossip'. We end up debating if 'He said this', and 'She said that'. Did
he 'Hint' this, and did she 'Hint' that. Will we get 2 Songs, or 3, or 5, or 8, or 10. Will
it be an Album or an EP, or a couple of 'Singles'. The only truth, that I know, is that if
ABBA are only going to Release a couple of Songs, it could all be a 1 Week Wonder,
with neither able to make much impact, due to Streaming. A 2 Week Wonder, if they
are lucky. I find it very odd, that ABBA would create such Hype, only to end up looking
silly, if they only Release a couple of Songs. The Global Media will react to that - and
not in a very flattering way for ABBA. An Album would be a World No.1. It really would.
So, in the meantime, I keep pretty quiet, and just watch numerous ABBA Fans, having
'He said. She said' debates. They go around in circles, and have Zero bearing on what
ABBA will be planning. Notice that I never mentioned The ABBAtars. They no longer
even enter my head. They are not - at all - important to me. Only to ABBA...
F).. 'Waterloo' has just been given a UK Gold Disk Award, for over 400,000 Sales since
December 2004. 'Mamma Mia' got a UK Platinum Award, in May, for over 600,000 Sales,
since November 2004.
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Post by richard on Aug 7, 2021 13:55:38 GMT
Well, since I joined this forum in June 2019, apart from the very occasional new thread that has elicited more than a couple of responses, it seems to me that this very thread, and surmisings about the new songs, has given any semblance of activity here!
Maybe that's only to be expected about a group who haven't been active, really, for almost 40 years.
To repeat what Graham (foreverfan) says: We wait. Except that I don't feel I'm waiting any more: the new songs will appear when they do, and that's that as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by jj on Aug 9, 2021 9:12:21 GMT
I went 'quiet', regarding the New Songs from ABBA. I see no use in us discussing it. Nearly all of it is 'Gossip'. We end up debating if 'He said this', and 'She said that' [...] I keep pretty quiet, and just watch numerous ABBA Fans, having debates. They go around in circles, and have Zero bearing on what ABBA will be planning.
I find it peculiar that you think fans should stop wondering, discussing, arguing (in a polite manner) or airing their expectations, or their ideas, about what would be the best thing for the release of ABBA's new material, and how things will go, or what we might expect to happen, given all sorts of different scenarios (e.g. the hows and whens of any of ABBA's upcoming releases).
Of course none of our opinions will make a jot of difference, but that doesn't mean it's pointless to share them?
As far as I know, most people are not in any position of power to affect the outcome of most things, except for our own lives sometimes (and even then, many things are still out of our hands and we're often quite helpless), but the fact remains that, even though, as you say "Nothing we say or do will change anything, anyway", this has never stopped a constant stream of meaningful and interesting debates on every topic under the sun. After all, people discuss things that they have no power over all the time.
Here's the most obvious example:
People who are powerless to change things, people whose opinions will have no effect at all on politics, on politicians and on political outcomes, STILL discuss and debate these things all the time.
We know very well that we fans have no influence on what will happen, of course we know that! but we can have fun discussing these things and double-guessing what will happen and it's so interesting to read different fans' theories and to argue what things ABBA might do to maximise their success, etc.
It's great to see what some fans think and what their theories are, based on what they know about charts, new developments, new media, and music styles today.
To have everyone stop discussing their views about the new material is a bit silly.
It will be most interesting to see whose/which theory/theories were correct, once the new material is actually released.
Keep the suggestions and personal theories coming folks! It's fun and thought-provoking!
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Post by gamleman on Aug 9, 2021 9:33:26 GMT
I think it is quite fun to speculate and discuss, although I can appreciate that some may regard it as wasted energy, but everyone is different. To say that our opinions make no difference may not be quite true, as it's possible that the record company marketing people monitor this forum (particularly this enormous thread) - I think this is the only ABBA forum still active, isn't it? On the other hand, the hard-core fans that frequent this forum are probably not their main interest - they are undoubtedly more interested in the masses of casual ABBA fans that are going to make them the big money, so will cater more to their spending habits. After all, despite how much ABBA have enjoyed being back in the studio together, I think this latest phase in ABBA's career is primarily about money, money, money!
EDIT: I should add that the financial motivation doesn't bother me too much, as I'm sure we would all like to see these new songs be a great success.
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I'm also hoping that ISHFIY and the other new songs will have the timeless quality that many of ABBA's songs have. 
