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Post by foreverfan on Apr 19, 2022 9:13:44 GMT
There’s a series of these chats..
Quite interesting....
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Post by welshboy on Apr 19, 2022 10:12:54 GMT
I am so looking forward to the Voyage shows. On September 2ed last year after hearing the two new songs I made a list of the songs that I think would be in the show. As we know 22 songs will be sung so I will look forward to how much of the list I got right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 10:17:11 GMT
Interesting interview
➡️ Throw away 95% of their songs. But many fans want anything released. Perhaps two unfinished Voyage songs are just throw aways.
➡️ Happy and sad at the same time. Yep, sure are a lot of ABBA songs with sad lyrics but happy sounding melody.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 19, 2022 11:10:46 GMT
That is a very novel situation to be caught on camera, two music stars having a chat on the same level, rather than an interviewer driving a chat with a music star. It's funny that when I've seen Nile Rodgers interviewed on The One Show, he has reminded me of Bjorn.
Myself, I think the happy/sad combination in ABBA songs comes from the sad lyrics and vocals combined with stirring/uplifting melodies and production, "SOS" named in the interview being a prime example.
Would ABBA fans really want to hear the 95% of songs that were thrown away? Many fans seem critical of even some existing songs, like "You Owe Me One" and "Little Things". Most of the discarded songs probably weren't committed to recordings anyway, as I'm not sure that B&B recorded demos of what they came up with in their island cabin.
If ABBA decided to release a further album with two bonus tracks, be it a Deluxe edition of "Voyage" or a new retrospective compilation, would people prefer:
A) The two songs left over from the "Voyage" recordings, not knowing their quality
B) Extended versions of two "Voyage" songs, such as WYDWM and DSMD
C) ABBA versions of two existing B&B songs that fill the gap between the two phases of ABBA, "I Know Him So Well" being a likely candidate
D) Completed versions of two older discarded songs, "Just Like That" being a prime candidate
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Post by foreverfan on Apr 19, 2022 11:40:42 GMT
^^^^All of the above , not being greedy...lol
If push came to shove as they say..
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D
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C
Anything new would be great, I’m aware we are all living off ifs buts and maybes, and maybe this is the end, I guess we will know once the Voyage show begins/ finishes
So a little something.. please....
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Post by richard on Apr 19, 2022 11:55:28 GMT
Strange how one's views about a track can change back and forth over time - well mine can, anyway. After the revised version of Just A Notion appeared on Voyage, it led to my listening with renewed interest to the various versions of Just Like That which are available on YouYube. Done 'better' - according to me! - I now think the verse-melody is a beautiful foil for the sparkling chorus, setting it up wonderfully - not a 'mismatch' after all. So I'm back on board with all those who would like to see Just Like That officially released either 'as is', in whatever version, or with some sort of revision. But I would also like to hear other archived stuff as well. The 'protecting ABBA's legacy' argument might mean something to Benny and Bjorn, but I wonder if it cuts much ice with others, fans or interested non-fans. But it's the guys' prerogative, of course. All of your options, gamleman,, would suit me! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 11:57:47 GMT
A) The two songs left over from the "Voyage" recordings, not knowing their quality B) Extended versions of two "Voyage" songs, such as WYDWM and DSMD C) ABBA versions of two existing B&B songs that fill the gap between the two phases of ABBA, "I Know Him So Well" being a likely candidate D) Completed versions of two older discarded songs, "Just Like That" being a prime candidate None of the above. Leave Voyage as it is. I would NOT like to see Option A. If there were to be two new songs and they are not released before the show they would likely be just an after thought in a future deluxe edition or compilation. A bit like I am the City. If there has to be a deluxe edition at some stage in the future maybe an Abbatars dvd. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 12:01:54 GMT
The 'protecting ABBA's legacy' argument might mean something to Benny and Bjorn, but I wonder if it cuts much ice with others, fans or interested non-fans. Protecting the legacy is important to me. I don't want a new song that is a cobbled together outtake - especially as its likely to be the last thing ABBA ever do. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 12:12:35 GMT
I never liked Bob Geldof I must admit.
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Post by justabba on Apr 19, 2022 12:29:12 GMT
If the 2 unreleased songs were "throw aways" I doubt Benny would have described them as resting and played at least one of them (hit by a train) in to little boots?
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Post by gamleman on Apr 19, 2022 12:54:32 GMT
I agree that I presented a real dilemma and I'm not sure how I'd respond myself. I was curious as to whether people would be prepared to take a chance on the two unreleased songs from the "Voyage" sessions, given that B&B didn't deem them suitable for the album. I'm not sure that I would and am more inclined to pick one of the more concrete options, C or D. Two completely new songs would be a different matter. justabba, are you saying that one of the leftover songs was called "Hit By A Train" or have I misinterpreted? That is a horrible title for a song and, if true, I'm not surprised it didn't make the Voyage tracklist. |
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Post by justabba on Apr 19, 2022 13:21:29 GMT
That's how I've seen it described, but of course that might have been a working title? There is a line in the song that's something like " our first kiss was like a train crash ", but again only what I've seen online...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 13:44:00 GMT
Can you provide a link? The title and that lyric line sound horrible.
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Post by joseph on Apr 19, 2022 15:18:57 GMT
What would I like? EVERYTHING! Demos... dummy lyrics...the lot! It would be great if Just Like That were released but NOT the sax version- that overwhelms the song and is painful to listen to. But it's not a deal breaker for me- I'm fine if nothing more is released. I'm happy, more than happy with what we already have. But fans are never satisfied- they always want more and more.
Regarding the two songs that didn't make Voyage. I'm pretty sure Benny said there was nothing wrong with them, they're just unfinished and need more work? So quality-wise they're at least OK or better. His word is good enough for me in this regard. I do think they'll be released one day- hopefully before I'm dead. Just reality, isn't it? The future isn't promised to any of us.
I couldn't care less what Bob Geldof thinks regarding music or the world in general. Find him too abrasive. However, hats off to him for raising his children and adopting (I believe?) Tiger, the daughter of the late Paula Yates and Michael Hutchence.
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Post by Alan on Apr 19, 2022 15:32:39 GMT
If ABBA decided to release a further album with two bonus tracks, be it a Deluxe edition of "Voyage" or a new retrospective compilation, would people prefer: A) The two songs left over from the "Voyage" recordings, not knowing their quality B) Extended versions of two "Voyage" songs, such as WYDWM and DSMD C) ABBA versions of two existing B&B songs that fill the gap between the two phases of ABBA, "I Know Him So Well" being a likely candidate D) Completed versions of two older discarded songs, "Just Like That" being a prime candidate Definitely A, without any doubt. B wouldn’t be that interesting, and C wouldn’t really be fair as A and F would be singing them over 35 years after Elaine and Barbara did. I don’t think they’d favourably compare. D not really, I can live without JLT. Really isn’t that great. |
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Post by jj on Apr 19, 2022 15:54:21 GMT
I just heard this for the first time and I must say I prefer it to ABBA's version.  Maybe that's just for the novelty of hearing Boy George's singing. He has altered the melody in most parts to tailor it to his own vocal range, but this only ends up making it striking in its variation from the version we know so well. What talent he had!
I think it's the original backing track they're using, mixed slightly differently, and we also hear Agnetha and Frida's vocals backing Boy George, which is wonderful in itself.
I hope this is as fun for you as it was for me:
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Post by jj on Apr 19, 2022 16:05:14 GMT
After that performance, George is briefly interviewed on stage:
Interviewer: Were you a big fan of ABBA in the 70s?
George: I was around the first time. I remember them from childhood and I think I've got the original 45s in my record collection - sad but true!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 16:38:39 GMT
I am content with " Voyage " and am not bothered about demos, remixes, unreleased tracks etc.
Welshboy, Good for you that you will be present at the opening night of The ABBAtars Concert. I hope you enjoy it.
JJ, I can remember watching that particular show. It was called " ABBA Mania ". Quite a few acts performed ABBA songs including Culture Club, Madness, Denise Van Outen, Martine McCutcheon etc. Somehow other people singing ABBA songs doesn't " float my boat ". The songs lose their sparkle and will never better the originals. No Boy George, it is not sad admitting to liking ABBA and owning their records.
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Post by justabba on Apr 19, 2022 16:59:27 GMT
Can you provide a link? The title and that lyric line sound horrible. No link I'm afraid. Read it on several abba fan pages on Facebook. |
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Post by joseph on Apr 19, 2022 17:10:23 GMT
That Boy George attempt to cover Voulez Vous is grim. The incessant clapping sound throughout was so annoying. The show it came from was absolutely abysmal- cheap and tacky as were all the ABBA covers- including this one. It totally lacks the verve and excitement of the original. No class, no style, just a washed-up, has-been convicted criminal who thinks he's funny.
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Post by jj on Apr 19, 2022 17:29:59 GMT
Four days from now, it will be exactly 46 years ago that this sales chart was published in Sydney (on the 23rd of April, 1976) :
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 17:34:26 GMT
Joseph, I agree. The ABBA tribute show was just a low budget effort with lacklustre performances.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 19, 2022 17:42:01 GMT
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Post by jj on Apr 19, 2022 17:46:03 GMT
The incessant clapping sound throughout was so annoying.
Actually, I agree, the clapping is a bit tedious. But I love the changes he makes to the lead vocal melody, and Agnetha and Frida's backing vocals are superb, just gorgeous, in this version, because they contrast much better against a male voice singing the lead (versus the fact that these backing vocals were too similar in sound to the main vocals in ABBA's original version, ie., Agnetha and Frida backing Agnetha and Frida, who were singing lead vocals).
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Post by jj on Apr 19, 2022 17:50:42 GMT
I was so proud that an ABBA song was the first Number One song of the new millenium in the UK, even if it was just a cover version. B&B had to be proud, too, as writers. The next time this can happen (first number one of the new millenium) won't be until the year 3000. That's a long time.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 19, 2022 17:56:20 GMT
Clapping gets on my nerves in a lot of shows these days - it's often too forward in the sound mix.
This is the backing track of the Culture Club version. I don't think those are A&F's backing vocals. I think it's a copy although it imitates the original quite well.
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Post by Michal on Apr 20, 2022 6:49:04 GMT
If ABBA decided to release a further album with two bonus tracks, be it a Deluxe edition of "Voyage" or a new retrospective compilation, would people prefer: A for me in case of a Deluxe edition - any new songs from ABBA are always welcome. Unreleased tracks from the past would be great but they don't belong to Voyage. However, it would be awesome if we could get more songs from the vaults on some new compilation similar to the Thank You For The Music box. Extended versions or demos of the Voyage tracks - why not, but not really important for me, especially the former. But maybe a good idea to include them on the Deluxe edition of Voyage alongside the two new songs - it would make the release more attractive. The time for the reworked old Björn and Benny's compositions (such as I Know Him So Well or Story Of A Heart) have passed in my opinion, for the reason that Alan pointed out. The new versions by Agnetha and Frida in their 70s would not compare favourably with the originals. As much as I think Agnetha and Frida's duet album would have been very interesting, that ship has sailed. |
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Post by Michal on Apr 20, 2022 6:58:33 GMT
Would ABBA fans really want to hear the 95% of songs that were thrown away? Many fans seem critical of even some existing songs, like "You Owe Me One" and "Little Things". Most of the discarded songs probably weren't committed to recordings anyway, as I'm not sure that B&B recorded demos of what they came up with in their island cabin. I would like to hear as much as possible, even if just for fun. For me it's interesting to listen even to the snippet of Here Comes Rubie Jamie. I don't expect any real gems hiding in the vaults, but who knows. Certainly, some of the unreleased recordings have bigger appeal than certain released ones. The truth is that if You Owe Me One remained unreleased, we would probably not condemn it the way we do now, just because it would have that aura of a rarity. However, as it is, I would gladly swap it for Just Like That, Rubber Ball Man or Hamlet. |
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Post by gamleman on Apr 20, 2022 7:54:55 GMT
That is a good point about A&F's voices today on a song like IKHSW, although there may be other, more suitable songs.
I agree that options C and D wouldn't be appropriate for a Deluxe edition of "Voyage" and that did occur to me as I wrote the list. They would be better on a future compilation, perhaps in 2024.
The most attractive combination for a "Voyage" Deluxe release would be the two remaining songs (as long as one is not called "Hit By A Train") and extended versions of WYDWM and DSMD. Although LT is generally not well-liked, I thought the fan-made up-tempo version that I heard worked quite well, so an upbeat mix of LT is another possibility.
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Post by foreverfan on Apr 20, 2022 8:54:14 GMT
I’m as guilty as the next' and we appear to like a bit of speculation, all harmless fun really ..
That said where did the rumour come from concerning Deluxe Voyage, ? Just wishful thinking on here ?
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to hear those two tracks, whether it’s on that potential Deluxe or some other album, realistically do you think we will ever hear them ?
As for “The Vaults “ do you really think there is anything left that they would want us to hear? There have been numerous instances of when they could’ve, of course there’s those snippets but that’s years ago now..
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Maybe that's just for the novelty of hearing Boy George's singing. He has altered the melody in most parts to tailor it to his own vocal range, but this only ends up making it striking in its variation from the version we know so well. What talent he had!