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Post by Alan on Apr 22, 2022 6:04:33 GMT
I’ve seen those before, joseph, but never got chance to photograph it. They even have the reversed “B” - is there some connection to ABBA?
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Post by undertheappletree on Apr 22, 2022 6:41:04 GMT
undertheappletree, "An Anthology - Pure Gold" or "Pure Gold - An Anthology" sounds quite good. But could we trust Universal to seek out everything that ABBA ever recorded? Somehow, I think not. Re a Deluxe "Voyage", Christmas is the traditional time to do these re-releases and they may want to mark one year since the initial release.[/quote] Gamelman, Well, "Never say Never" as Frida said about New Recordings after Voyage'. But as you Mentioned Universal are Primarily a Business, and their motivation naturally would be what profit returns, could be generated on undertaking such a mammoth task. Artistically Abba would have to be motivated to release the extras from the ABBA Vault in the first Place. Benny would need to be Onboard for a 'No holds:) barred' Anthology.' The Best Abba Collection Design Layout release, so far for me Was the 'Thank you For The Music" Booklet Style Set. Someone like Benny's Son, and C.M.Palm would probably be ideal Candidates to Create and Compile an Historical Anthology Recording for the Artists ABBA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 7:32:43 GMT
Anthology - I can't see one being released anytime soon. I get the impression B + B regret releasing previously unreleased songs. The forthcoming box set tells us they want to release less.
Deluxe Edition. If there is one, probably Christmas. I think many fans getting over-excited at the thought of two unfinished songs. I can't see many people who already bought Voyage buying it again for 1 or 2 songs that might - or might not be any good.
Maybe a documentary dvd added to Voyage - the Making of Voyage is more likely than new songs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 7:35:24 GMT
Johnny and Gamleman, thank you for " setting the record straight " about 12 inch singles. Sorry, I couldn't resist the pun.
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Post by joseph on Apr 22, 2022 8:00:01 GMT
I'm not sure Alan, Someone said the truck is Scania so that must be some kind of connection. It was busy traffic so I wasn't sure I'd manage to get a picture. Incidentally, I wasn't driving (I'd never do something so dangerous). I was in the car with my sister. It was actually her who spotted it.
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Post by foreverfan on Apr 22, 2022 14:37:50 GMT
A like or dislike.. for me always a like, up there with the best....and it seems Abba like it it as well.... the new Lyric video.. Pretty good ?
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Post by gamleman on Apr 22, 2022 14:51:21 GMT
Yes, it is well done, but would I choose to watch it rather than the straight video... No. It's probably good for karaoke parties, but do people still do that these days?
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Post by joseph on Apr 23, 2022 9:02:28 GMT
I think over-familiarity plays a part regarding songs such as Waterloo, Dancing Queen and Mamma Mia. I also prefer to listen to Ring Ring if I had a choice between that or Waterloo. It's a tad sad because all three are exceptional songs and haven't altered, just our perception of them has through saturation. Of the three, only Dancing Queen still gives me the euphoria it always has. With the other two, I have to hear them loud and unexpectedly. Only then do I hear the pop brilliance once more. A strange phenomenon.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Apr 23, 2022 18:00:21 GMT
Just going back to the topic of 'Voyage' the 3 songs I have listened to the most since the album was released are 'Don't Shut Me Down', 'Just A Notion' & 'When You Danced With Me' but everyday for the last 3 weeks I have been listening to 'I Can Be That Woman' on constant repeat I instantly loved it the moment I first heard it and played it quite alot but no where near as much as I have lately its an absolutely fantastic and beautiful song and the vocal delivery by Agnetha is absolutely gorgeous and emotional and its without doubt one of the very best songs that ABBA have ever recorded its definitely in my top 10 of ABBA songs I really wish it would have been released as a single as its that good it could have done very well every review of 'I Can Be That Woman' that I have read have been positive not read one single negative review about this song.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 7:39:49 GMT
I Can Be That Woman is itself let down by the lyric "I let you down somehow". It is a woman taking the blame in a relationship.
The song I play most from Voyage is Don't Shut Me Down. Then followed by I Still Have Faith in You, No Doubt About It and Ode to Freedom.
As for singles, I would have gone...
1. Don't Shut Me Down 2. No Doubt About It 3. When You Danced with Me 4. I Still Have Faith in You
No Doubt About It instead of Just a Notion. When You Danced with Mw replacing Little Things.
I Still Have Faith in You about now in run up to Abbatars. It is the most appropriate song for that.
Releasing a radio only single months after Voyage (album) but months before Voyage (concert) was clearly a mistake.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Apr 24, 2022 9:03:47 GMT
'Ode To Freedom' is the only song from 'Voyage' that I am not overly keen on only listened to it 3 times and it seriously needs to grow on me I love every other song on the album its just this one song that never gave me that wow feeling when I first heard it.
Don't Shut Me Down, Just A Notion, When You Danced With Me, I Can Be That Woman, Little Things & Keep An Eye On Dan are my favourite songs from 'Voyage' I also like 'No Doubt About It' & 'I Still Have Faith In You'.
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Post by Alan on Apr 24, 2022 10:50:36 GMT
Eurovision Song Contest discussion has been moved to its own thread - abbachat.boards.net/thread/1461/If you use “view recent posts” or “view recent threads”, it should be easy to find. This Voyage thread is used for general discussion about ABBA, but their link with Eurovision is fairly tenuous - they weren’t put together for the contest, weren’t a Eurovision act and merely entered it to get international recognition.
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Post by Michal on Apr 24, 2022 11:15:10 GMT
We should not be afraid to start new threads - a topic such as Eurovision 2022 surely deserves its own. If everything is posted here, you get easily lost in the number of posts completely irrelevant to the main discussion and moreover it's very difficult to find older sub-topics of this forum - they get lost and nobody will react to them anymore because they get buried under new posts.
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Post by Alan on Apr 24, 2022 12:02:38 GMT
We should not be afraid to start new threads I completely agree and would encourage anyone to start a new topic on whatever subject. If you use the “view recent threads” or “view recent posts” there really isn’t an issue with finding such threads. I tend to use “view recent posts” so I see everything from newest first.
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Post by Alan on Apr 24, 2022 12:33:39 GMT
Releasing a radio only single months after Voyage (album) but months before Voyage (concert) was clearly a mistake. I wouldn’t say a mistake, but certainly nothing was gained by it. In the latter days of physical releases (before downloading and streaming), a single would usually make a loss for the record company. In the streaming era, this isn’t the case. A physical release of No Doubt About It (even if just a one-track CD) may have got the song a chart position similar to those of Just A Notion or Little Things, but that would have been it. Nothing else would have been gained from it. I think the moment had passed anyway. I think ABBA naively thought they could put anything out as a festive song and it would do well. Little Things was probably decided on as a single from the moment they’d finished it. I remember seeing stacks of the things in HMV and wondering who (apart from completists like me) would buy it. It was on the shelves next to an album that had nine other tracks on and could be bought for just £6 more. What was the point? Thankfully as No Doubt About It wasn’t a proper single (even in the digital sense) it can be forgotten about as such. That’s not possible with Little Things though, which could remain ABBA’s final new single. But I’m still hoping that isn’t to be the case!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 13:19:47 GMT
Alan
The idea of having No Doubt About It as a radio single was to boost sales of Voyage - which it totally failed to do.
Btw, Wikipedia classes No Doubt About It as an ABBA single as there was a formal request to radio stations to play it. I disagree that makes it a single. But more people read Wikipedia than ABBA Chat...I assume!
Maybe this Voyage thread could be for the album and singles from it. Have another one for the concert. Move away from this being a general ABBA thread.
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 24, 2022 13:39:13 GMT
This will disappoint a lot of double-edged ABBA-Doctor Who fans but this will also excite a lot of double-edged ABBA-Star Wars fans... The connection between ABBA and Star Wars is absolutely clear - and please mind the promo shtick; this is what I saw recently. ILM is a George Lucas founded company; the testimonies of one of ILM's members is apparent. Mark Hamill, the portrayer of the recently dearly departed Luke Skywalker, has acknowledged that fans are comparing his Star Wars special costume to ABBA's costume. So far, there is a rather strong connection there. Even if these seem trivial to you all... I can't help but connect the dots here.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 24, 2022 14:28:56 GMT
I think people on this forum like having a general chat thread. This thread was obviously never intended as one but ended up serving that purpose. I suggest that a separate thread be set up for general chat. Perhaps this thread now needs to be capped, if that's possible, with a redirection to the general chat thread and perhaps other new threads for the Voyage album/singles and Voyage show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 16:29:49 GMT
Johnny, I don't have a problem with that line in I Can Be That Woman, I am sure there are lots of relationships that have struggled due to one person, male or female, having an alcohol, or any other, addiction. To accept responsibility is a strong, positive thing to do and can help healing and recovery. The 'screw you' line was more of a shock moment for me lol!
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Post by lamont on Apr 24, 2022 16:49:39 GMT
I Can Be That Woman is itself let down by the lyric "I let you down somehow". It is a woman taking the blame in a relationship. The song I play most from Voyage is Don't Shut Me Down. Then followed by I Still Have Faith in You, No Doubt About It and Ode to Freedom. As for singles, I would have gone... 1. Don't Shut Me Down 2. No Doubt About It 3. When You Danced with Me 4. I Still Have Faith in You No Doubt About It instead of Just a Notion. When You Danced with Mw replacing Little Things. I Still Have Faith in You about now in run up to Abbatars. It is the most appropriate song for that. Releasing a radio only single months after Voyage (album) but months before Voyage (concert) was clearly a mistake. I think the “I let you down somehow” line is alluding to the protagonist suffering from alcoholism, as the song is littered with analogies: rock bottom, how far I’ve sunk, is she drunk, wasted years, shaking, pain I feel is real. And one of the steps of the 12 step program is apologising and accepting your wrong doing to others. Living with addiction this song hit me so severely, it’s painfully raw and honest. Plus it’s nice for Benny to let the song be so plain and not overproduce it like he did with earlier songs. The song is as powerful as The Day Before You Came.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 16:50:07 GMT
Adam, I completely agree with you about " I Can Be That Woman ". It is emotionally moving, and beautifully sung by Agnetha with sublime backing vocals from Frida. One of my favourites from " Voyage ". I constantly listen to it along with " I Still Have Faith In You " and " Don't Shut Me Down ". " Ode To Freedom " is also, a work of art. A very appropriate song to listen to in these troubled times. The melody is so hauntingly touching. " When You Danced With Me ", " Keep An Eye On Dan " and " No Doubt About It " are very catchy earworms and " Just A Notion " is one of those uplifting songs and so " ABBA ". " Bumblebee " is a lovely song too. The only song I don't listen to much is " Little Things " although I do like it maybe not as much as the other " Voyage " tracks. Alib, I too, was shocked when I first heard that line in " I Can Be That Woman ". As time has passed it only heightens the emotional impact of the song. Lamont, I agree " I Can Be That Woman " is a very powerful song just as heart wrenching as " The Winner Takes It All " and " The Day Before You Came ".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 19:36:25 GMT
Yes I agree Eddie, I've got use to it now! very emotional and 'real'.
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Post by undertheappletree on Apr 24, 2022 21:47:17 GMT
Adam, I completely agree with you about " I Can Be That Woman ". It is emotionally moving, and beautifully sung by Agnetha with sublime backing vocals from Frida. One of my favourites from " Voyage ". I constantly listen to it along with " I Still Have Faith In You " and " Don't Shut Me Down ". " Ode To Freedom " is also, a work of art. A very appropriate song to listen to in these troubled times. The melody is so hauntingly touching. " When You Danced With Me ", " Keep An Eye On Dan " and " No Doubt About It " are very catchy earworms and " Just A Notion " is one of those uplifting songs and so " ABBA ". " Bumblebee " is a lovely song too. The only song I don't listen to much is " Little Things " although I do like it maybe not as much as the other " Voyage " tracks. Alib, I too, was shocked when I first heard that line in " I Can Be That Woman ". As time has passed it only heightens the emotional impact of the song. Lamont, I agree " I Can Be That Woman " is a very powerful song just as heart wrenching as " The Winner Takes It All " and " The Day Before You Came ". Eddie, l agree entirely, what you conveyed Thanks:))
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Post by bennybjorn on Apr 24, 2022 23:03:54 GMT
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Post by tagaytay on Apr 24, 2022 23:33:30 GMT
or that the fans of the song "Little Things" are not in this discussion group or have chosen to keep quiet? Evidently, ABBA included it in the album and released it as a single because they liked the song more than the two supposedly unfinished tracks and those other songs "from the vaults".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 2:28:39 GMT
Little Things re-entered the Physical Charts two weeks ago and climbs bwck into Top 10 this week. It hasn't been in Top 10 since Christmas. I don't know why it has re-entered, probably reduced price.
This is my fear about the two unfinished sobgs. They are even worse than Little Things.
ABBA have said no pressure with them recording Voyage. If they didn't like it, it would never have been released. Like the two unfinished songs then?
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Post by Alan on Apr 25, 2022 7:26:51 GMT
Just looked on Amazon and Little Things is £4.99, reduced from £5.99. Its original price was £3.99 so it’s not a reduction in reality. So few singles are released physically that it wouldn’t take that many units to do well in the physical chart.
Benny has said the two unreleased songs are “quite good” which from him is high praise indeed. Little Things could have been OK had it been stripped of its Christmas theme and those awful lyrics. However, I genuinely think Björn was quite pleased with himself, thinking he’d written a memorable seasonal hit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 8:00:49 GMT
CD singles. I guess it's where you buy them. There are few HMV or other physical shops around. I remember the first 2 singles were much more expensive on Amazon than the ABBA Voyage site. Yep. Their sales are very low. I am surprised there's even a Top 100 chart and not more songs tied on chart positions. Most people who buy individual songs download not buy CDs/vinyl. And of course the vast majority don't buy at all but stream. Benny did say the 2 unreleased songs were "quite good" which has ignited all this speculation about a deluxe edition with new songs. If there aren't any new songs, why even mention them? Benny is also a bit Foot in Mouth at times. Finally, happy birthday Bjorn 77 today. I KNOW all the ABBA members read this Forum.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 25, 2022 8:02:53 GMT
Little Things re-entered the Physical Charts two weeks ago and climbs bwck into Top 10 this week. It hasn't been in Top 10 since Christmas. I don't know why it has re-entered, probably reduced price. This is my fear about the two unfinished sobgs. They are even worse than Little Things. ABBA have said no pressure with them recording Voyage. If they didn't like it, it would never have been released. Like the two unfinished songs then? I suspect that most people who are not keen on "Little Things" would give its Christmas theme and twee-ness as the reasons. It is unlikely that the two unreleased songs are in this mould and 'worse' than LT, although there could be other reasons for them not to gain favour.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 8:10:56 GMT
I don't mind the Christmas theme of Little Things, it's the lyrics, Frida's twee voice on the song and that choir.
The two unreleased songs would be different type of songs but clearly failed a quality test that excluded them from the album. Benny talked about him needing to do work. So the songs finished - but need to be improved with backing track, production etc
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