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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 17:50:27 GMT
“If you don't like it, there are plenty of ABBA social media sites to go to”. This answer comes up too often in this forum. Surely that confirms that this has become a club where people come together to complain, they cannot go elsewhere because they are not heard there, do the forum members of ABBACHAT realize this?
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Post by gamleman on Dec 3, 2021 17:56:38 GMT
There were largely positive reactions to "Voyage" on this forum, but I think many fans struggled with LT, both as a song in itself and as a Christmas track on a studio album. Polls on the ABBA Official Fan page on Facebook had it down as the least popular song on the album, although this was based on people voting for their favourite song. So, it is unsurprising that some people think it is not a good single. And the disappointment with the video is hardly surprising, considering is doesn't feature ABBA, doesn't reflect the cosy Christmas feel of the song and has a heavy slant towards marketing a show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:07:04 GMT
A little unfair janabbafan. I would say that this site is overwhelmingly positive towards ABBA and in particular about the new music! I doubt even ABBA like everything they have ever done, Benny has pretty much said that in interviews! I doubt they expect everyone else to like everything they've ever done either, nothing is perfect in this world and giving personal opinions in a forum is the point surely? Anyway, I don't think ABBA are getting criticised in this instance, just a case of "does the video suit the song,"? that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:12:37 GMT
What a grumble here in Abbachat, unbelievable! Fortunately, there are many other places where the video is positively reacted to. And where you will not find any negative reactions at all! I know, in this forum you can almost count the negative reactions on one hand, but it's only negative, as if this forum has become the club of nagging and grumbling and frustrated and black-looking and disappointed and spoiled members. The only positive thing: luckily there is still a club for people like that... Complaining about negative comments by very negative and personal comments. Most of us in this forum are very happy with the Voyage album. The song Little Things and especially the video are less well received. But that is the nature of these forums. ABBA should not be beyond criticism even if you are a fan. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:14:40 GMT
LT you tube views 204K, Elton and Ed 1.5M! Oh well. Great news on Voyage going Platinum! Voyage returning to #1 in Germany and Sweden. Holding on to #2 in the Netherlands and climbing back up the charts in Australia and France too. I expect it will return to UK Top 3 towards Christmas. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:14:43 GMT
I would like to share my opinion about the new video. I am so faithfull and glad for every song and every video.
I am a teacher. The "Little Things" contains a very important message for every children. The children of the world are in an equally difficult position because of the pandemic. Thank you for demonstrating the power of a well-functioning school community.
It is a pleasure to see that every child is talented differently. It is a pleasure to see that everyone finds their own job, everyone’s work is needed to succeed. Kids are the future. Be creative, be brave, live your dreams! Be happy and successful! And of course love the music! And don't forget, if everyone gives a little thing to someone, it will be the greatest gifts. Thank you for the music ABBA!
Just one of the reactions from somewhere else...
In this forum it is always about how each individual member wants what it should look like. Dont forget: there are also messages hidden in what ABBA shares. We should be more open to that in this forum.
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Post by Alan on Dec 3, 2021 18:19:49 GMT
It is not true, janabbafan, that this is this only place you’ll find a generally negative reaction to the video. I’m on PopJustice and they are saying the same things there. Even a member who wouldn’t hear a word said against Little Things (as a song) or Just A Notion (as they loved them both) wasn’t positive about this video. There has to be some irony in there somewhere. You’re criticising us and being quite rude about the members here, but saying we shouldn’t dare say anything you don’t want to hear about ABBA. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:29:17 GMT
It is not true, janabbafan , that this is this only place you’ll find a generally negative reaction to the video. I’m on PopJustice and they are saying the same things there. Even a member who wouldn’t hear a word said against Little Things (as a song) or Just A Notion (as they loved them both) wasn’t positive about this video. There has to be some irony in there somewhere. You’re criticising us and being quite rude about the members here, but saying we shouldn’t dare say anything you don’t want to hear about ABBA. You come just with 1 example. From Popjustice. That is just 1 example. It really is still ABBACHAT where people come together to be negative. Not the first time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:39:53 GMT
Just ban Troll JanAbbafan
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Post by Alan on Dec 3, 2021 18:40:08 GMT
You come just with 1 example. From Popjustice. That is just 1 example. It really is still ABBACHAT where people come together to be negative. Not the first time. Not true at all. What is your problem? This forum is not affiliated with ABBA, Universal Music or Polar Music International. Members are free to post anything as long as it’s within the rules of the forum. I suggest you go elsewhere. You’ve brought more negativity to this forum than everyone else on it put together ever has done. |
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Post by joseph on Dec 3, 2021 18:40:50 GMT
What a storm! I've seen some extremely positive reactions to the video so it's not true that everybody dislikes it. That's just untrue. I don't give a toss whether someone likes it or not but calling it 'awful'? Really? Ok, it's an opinion. All those children must have put their heart and soul into the video. I find it rather sad the hate that's been unleashed. Someone even called the video a disgrace. I mean...seriously? Unbelievable.
As I said earlier, some fans wouldn't be happy even if Frida performed cartwheels in the snow for the video.
Oh, for the record, I thought the video was great. No complaints here. Whoever would have thought it? Me, who hates Christmas and Christmas songs in particular, liking this?! Pass the smelling salts!
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Post by Michal on Dec 3, 2021 18:44:45 GMT
It is not true, janabbafan , that this is this only place you’ll find a generally negative reaction to the video. I’m on PopJustice and they are saying the same things there. Even a member who wouldn’t hear a word said against Little Things (as a song) or Just A Notion (as they loved them both) wasn’t positive about this video. There has to be some irony in there somewhere. You’re criticising us and being quite rude about the members here, but saying we shouldn’t dare say anything you don’t want to hear about ABBA. You come just with 1 example. From Popjustice. That is just 1 example. It really is still ABBACHAT where people come together to be negative. Not the first time. A bit unfair observation. Actually I think this is probably the very first time when all the members here are in rare agreement about anything. Nobody on this forum seems to like the video for Little Things but I can't remember the last time we all had the same (negative or positive) opinion on anything... And largely people here are very positive about ABBA and their comeback. |
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Post by madonnabba on Dec 3, 2021 18:48:29 GMT
Just watched the Elton and Ed Christmas song. What is all the fuss about. Expected more from them. The song not that great. Video amusing. But the song? Not a patch on Last Christmas or some other Christmas classics. If it was not for Ed it would not have got so many views. I certainly would not have tuned in for Elton John.
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Post by Michal on Dec 3, 2021 18:48:57 GMT
I find it rather sad the hate that's been unleashed smelling salts! Am I living in another dimension?? I've never seen a scent of hate towards ABBA here. A fair amount of criticism sometimes but hate? Surely not. |
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Post by whitepaperz on Dec 3, 2021 18:53:01 GMT
Everyone has an opinion. The great thing about living in a part of the world where it is allowed.
Don’t take things personally. Accept people may think differently to you.
Nothing is perfect. Even ABBA.
Just enjoy the fact they are still here in 2021. Who’d have thought it back in 1982?
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Post by joseph on Dec 3, 2021 18:53:08 GMT
I'm not talking about here! The Internet is a wide place. Fans are tearing into each other...and all because of a video. Jesus wept. The trouble is, people aren't held accountable. Here we have a moderator if things get out of hand but in other places, it's a free for all.
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Post by HOMETIME on Dec 3, 2021 18:55:42 GMT
I suggest that from now on ABBACHAT becomes the complaining channel. Be brave ABBACHAT and from now on profile yourself as ABBA complaining channel. I'm confused but I feel certain that you can help. I am one of the people who doesn't much like the Little Things video. Should I have kept silent about that? Or do my positive views about the album and singles buy me some permission to have an unapproved opinion? Are we allowed only positive opinions? Is there a site rule you'd like to suggest? How should we respond to your negative response to us daring to hold an opinion different to yours? Like I say, I'm sure you can help. |
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Post by Michal on Dec 3, 2021 18:57:22 GMT
Just watched the Elton and Ed Christmas song. What is all the fuss about. Expected more from them. The song not that great. Video amusing. But the song? Not a patch on Last Christmas or some other Christmas classics. If it was not for Ed it would not have got so many views. I certainly would not have tuned in for Elton John. Well, the fuss was inevitable - it's Ed and Elton and that's enough  The song is nothing very special but the video is funny and it is the kind of clip that people will watch repeatedly. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Dec 3, 2021 19:03:11 GMT
The Ed'n'Elton song sounds like it's going to branch off into Don't Go Breaking My Heart at any moment. The video is fun but I can't say that I have any fondness for the song yet. Maybe it's a grower?
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Post by Liebezeit on Dec 3, 2021 19:06:50 GMT
It is just this forum with all the black lookers. That is how it goes, here is obviously the place to be for felow sufferers to join. Look around, it is constantly in this forum only that members complain. Honestly, I have mixed feelings about the music video. I'm not hating the music video outright. It seems a bit odd to have an uptempo video editing in the visuals when the songs are a bit tranquil. That's just my opinion, alright? The world is not black or white; more appropriately, it's a grey area. However I'll take that having a music video third times the row is better than nothing (but you know...) To cut to the chase, 1. I respectfully disagree that generalization that ABBAChat is that site with "black lookers" Twitter and other social media have had their fair slice of black lookers (even ABBA Voyage has taken steps to hide replies on Twitter that are negative; I do not like their actions, but I'll respect it.) There will be a negative for every good. 2. If we're involved with a band by means of gathering a fanbase, expect complaints... the internet is like wild west. 3. Criticism does not equal hatred. There will be some slight imperfections that some might overlook on something that looks, sound good... and we have a right to complain about it. 4. If you don't like seeing the negative stuffs blurbing around and all of the rubbish, you have a choice to ignore it. 5. For the love of God, don't be a drama queen. |
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Post by Alan on Dec 3, 2021 19:08:47 GMT
I'm not talking about here! The Internet is a wide place. Fans are tearing into each other...and all because of a video. Jesus wept. The trouble is, people aren't held accountable. Here we have a moderator if things get out of hand but in other places, it's a free for all. Thanks for the explanation… for a second, I thought you were agreeing with janabbafan! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 19:09:30 GMT
I'll be back anyway. It's just true that there's a lot of complaining here by individual members about how they feel about what ABBA should have done. Not just now. Also in the years before. But but, who are we to decide what ABBA should do? And then: the video released today has hidden messages. If you don't like the video because you don't see them, who are we to judge that it isn't right, not to see them? This whole discussion of this style is happening more often. In this forum there are always members who want ABBA to do this and do that etc. I once remember an answer: If you are that famous then you have to answer to what the fans want. Sorry. Are they not allowed ABBA themselves to decide for themselves what and how they want to do it?
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Post by Alan on Dec 3, 2021 19:14:06 GMT
You really need to go now, janabbafan. You’ve said enough. Hidden messages? Well, if you say so. It really isn’t a big deal. Like, hate, indifferent, why is it so important to you? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 19:16:19 GMT
If you want this forum to stay the club with complaints......
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Post by undertheappletree on Dec 3, 2021 19:19:52 GMT
Oh well a little storm in a tea cup, abbajanfan being a little harsh,
some of us are disappointed,in what we imagined LT Video to contain, but we still have a deep affection for Abba,
Now if l close my eyes l can still picture the memory of myself being at the front of the stage, on a November Night at Wembley A. in 79, Abba just a few feet above me, singing the New Song TWOFD and us fans swaying to music! Magic LOL
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Post by Alan on Dec 3, 2021 19:24:19 GMT
I’ve banned janabbafan. I’d heard enough. Their posts will remain as it’s quite clear what their opinions are, but there was nothing else they could say to add to their opinion. Not something I like doing - I think I banned one person on ABBAForum once - but an unavoidable decision. The ban includes their IP address, so they can’t easily re-register.
If anyone does have a problem with that (and it’s fine if you do) please message me.
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Post by joseph on Dec 3, 2021 19:28:58 GMT
What a crazy day...when AꓭBA released a new video!
When I first saw horrible comments (once again...NOT here...Facebook and elsewhere..more fool me for looking, oh, well) I wondered if everyone had got out of the wrong side of bed or there was a full moon or something!
Something needs clarifying here. Most people realise criticism of something doesn't mean hatred. That's that sorted. But I'm not talking about criticism of the song/video. I'm talking about obvious hate directed to other fans who disagree with them. It's there! On both sides of the for/against Little Things saga. For some reason, people have got very heated. I don't understand it. I don't mean using humour, which I try to do. I mean personal attacks/name calling. Shocking. Thank God we have a forum. The actual net is a minefield. On both sides. Whatever happened to agree to disagree? OK, in the real world we might all feel strongly about something and defend it but perspective is needed. It seems most criticism of the video is related to AꓭBA not being in the video as they are now, perhaps clapping at the end? Of course I'd have liked that, who wouldn't? Other factors...it's a commercial for Voyage, etc....not Christmassy enough...well, these are all fair points I guess. My take is that I simply enjoy it for what it is (a great idea, well executed) and the Unicef link is the icing on the cake.
Bit sad, really. I don't want this to taint what should be a joyous experience.
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Post by Michal on Dec 3, 2021 19:42:16 GMT
In this forum there are always members who want ABBA to do this and do that etc. I once remember an answer: If you are that famous then you have to answer to what the fans want. I don't remember that situation myself but I'm quite sure somebody opposed him immediately? Surely not everybody shared the opinion as you seem to think. |
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Post by Michal on Dec 3, 2021 19:50:32 GMT
I’ve banned janabbafan. I’d heard enough. Their posts will remain as it’s quite clear what their opinions are, but there was nothing else they could say to add to their opinion. Was it really necessary? I mean, just because he criticized this forum? I don't know, but it wasn't that bad in my opinion... Of course, it would be more polite to say that he likes the video and why but he wasn't exactly rude to any individual or have I missed something? The discussion got much heated quite needlessly, I think. |
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Post by breifne on Dec 3, 2021 20:13:10 GMT
I think Michal is right - a lot of people are over reacting ? We all have much in common ( as ABBA fans ) - today has actually been a day most of us would have relished a couple of years ago - a ABBA Christmas song ( maybe a little twee but ..) a video which I think is OK - and it raises money for a well respected international charity - so great? Also if things get too negative why would ABBA bother releasing any further music ( just in case that is a possibility ?) So lets all just chill - maybe have a drink and that video might be more enjoyable ?
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The song is nothing very special but the video is funny and it is the kind of clip that people will watch repeatedly.