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Post by foreverfan on Apr 16, 2024 14:16:06 GMT
I did hear it's a big job to get the technology to Malmo, so the Swedish have a back up plan.....
That all said it would be amazing to see...
Unless they have created Abbatars for Waterloo, ( as we know in Voyage it's only a video) which would be good. ,it's going to have to be another track ..which ?
Could this be exciting ?
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Post by Visitor1982 on Apr 19, 2024 9:20:27 GMT
The ABBAtars can't perform at Eurovision, that is technically not possible. Remember, they built a special arena for Voyage, because they couldn't tour with it. The producers said there even wasn't enough money made yet to change the set list. They can't just fly the machinery over to Stockholm or something.
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Post by Alan on Apr 19, 2024 9:43:49 GMT
Was anyone actually suggesting they bring the technology over? Surely they’d just send a film, as they did for the 30th (The Last Video). As most people would be viewing it on TV, it wouldn’t make any difference anyway.
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Post by justabba on Apr 19, 2024 10:22:14 GMT
That would be most boring! What would be the point of a video of the ABBAtars which they have always said cannot be viewed in video format? What an exciting year this turned out to be!
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Post by Alan on Apr 19, 2024 11:08:58 GMT
That would be most boring! What would be the point of a video of the ABBAtars which they have always said cannot be viewed in video format? But if you’re watching it on TV, as most people will be, it will be in that format anyway? Or am I missing something? Plus, it can be viewed on TV. All the existing footage of it used for advertising/publicity purposes, along with the video for I Still Have Faith In You. |
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Post by Alan on Apr 19, 2024 11:14:46 GMT
The ABBAtars can't perform at Eurovision, that is technically not possible. Marnix, that’s not you is it? I seem to remember your guest username from a previous forum. |
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Post by Tinneke on Apr 19, 2024 12:33:08 GMT
Ofcourse they will promote the Abbatars. That's what has become of Abba. When money is involved, when there is something to promote there will be active. Only then.
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Post by Visitor1982 on Apr 20, 2024 20:04:09 GMT
The ABBAtars can't perform at Eurovision, that is technically not possible. Marnix, that’s not you is it? I seem to remember your guest username from a previous forum. It IS me! :-D |
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Post by Visitor1982 on Apr 20, 2024 20:06:56 GMT
That would be most boring! What would be the point of a video of the ABBAtars which they have always said cannot be viewed in video format? But if you’re watching it on TV, as most people will be, it will be in that format anyway? Or am I missing something? Plus, it can be viewed on TV. All the existing footage of it used for advertising/publicity purposes, along with the video for I Still Have Faith In You. But what would be the point of watching a video of the ABBAtars? Besides, there is no ABBAtar video for Waterloo, so they would have to create that and it would cost a hell of a lot of money to do that, according to the Voyage producers. Besides, we're not even sure the ABBA members did perform Waterloo on stage in 2020, maybe that song was always meant to be a clip from 1974 in the show. They could just show the original Waterloo performance from 1974 if it's just a video... |
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Post by Alan on Apr 20, 2024 21:24:02 GMT
I guess we’ll find out soon enough. Not getting my hopes up for anything interesting as it’s been a disappointing anniversary year so far. Yep, there’s still plenty of time, and major 1994 and 2014 releases didn’t happen until later in the year, but I’m not optimistic.
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 21, 2024 9:21:23 GMT
I agree with Alan that we should carefully manage our expectations now. What Team ABBA seem to rate as "fun" is at odds with what fans reasonably expected after a lot of teasing. And Marnix makes great points too. BUT I reckon that Eurovision could actually be useful. So here is my thinking (make sure you're near some cushions in case you fall asleep). So an ABBA moment or theme is highly likely for the interval. An obvious, uninspired but reasonably cost-effective option would be to round up a bunch of previous Swedish winners and get them to sing an ABBA medley. Something like the sing-off in the Eurovision movie. Throw in some platform boots; a feather boa or two. A few face-on/side profile camera angles. Plenty of blue eyeshadow. Job done. Maybe Bjorn could deliver the votes of the Swedish jury in his Waterloo outfit. All nice and tidy. No focus pulled from the contestants or the eventual winner.
BUT! What if.... *whirly harp music and wibbly visual effect*- Everyone recognizes that programming/creating an ABBAtar performance costs a fortune. If Waterloo wasn't one of the original captured performances (and why did we not think of this before), it would need our heroes to at least lip-synch the song for the fancy cameras. For the sake of argument, let's imagine that the body doubles can follow some choreography so that mo-cap suits are not needed this time. If ABBA and the Eurovision team split the costs, they have (a) a terrific one-song interval act, and (b) an improved moment for the Voyage show. And let's assume they spent 8-10 months on this task.
- If the process could be used to debut a new song, it could tie in with Catherine Tate's quickly-scrubbed gaffe.... That would be an amazing launch for a new single. It would also be the de facto video, and might even slot easily into the Voyage show (the costuming would let us know where, roughly).
- Apart from what we've read in interviews, I think it's reasonably fair to say that none of us really knows how difficult it might be to create a one-off performance in another venue. Maybe technology has advanced enough to make something possible. Maybe cost-sharing could help it further?
- While I take Marnix's point, I don't completely subscribe to the who'd-watch-a-video argument. True, it would be a lot less exciting for the people in the venue, but to TV viewers worldwide it would be a seamless part of the show. If the clip was bookended by appearances by ABBA themselves - whether in person or by video link, it could raise the mood further.
- Even if this was all achievable, it still only accounts for about 5 minutes of that section. The ABBAtars could appear before or after that winners' medley for fill the rest of the time.
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Post by gassi on Apr 22, 2024 15:57:10 GMT
Marnix, that’s not you is it? I seem to remember your guest username from a previous forum. It IS me! :-D Hey Marnix! #justiceforJustLikeThat |
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Post by johnny on Apr 22, 2024 16:22:11 GMT
^ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by justabba on Apr 22, 2024 16:40:30 GMT
Tony/sometime a few months ago I would have completely agreed with you. After the "excitement" of April 6th, however, I fear we are in for a very disappointing year. Hope I'm proved wrong....
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Post by twelvty66 on Apr 24, 2024 11:36:39 GMT
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but in the latest installment of BBC R2’s Abba Eras series, Ludwig (interviewed with Svana about the voyage project) is pretty adamant that there are no new surprises to come from the band.
Let’s hope he is wrong, but I’m beginning to think we will see nothing new now.
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Post by Alan on Apr 24, 2024 15:56:28 GMT
Ludwig (interviewed with Svana about the voyage project) is pretty adamant that there are no new surprises to come from the band. I wonder if a “surprise” includes a setlist change for the show? Everyone seems be speculating that they will make some changes at some point but I don’t *think* there’s been any indication that it will happen? I hope they don’t regret this in years to come… letting a 50th anniversary pass without much fanfare. I don’t think many of us are even placing much hope on Eurovision. On the other hand, Voyage was released in 2021, which wasn’t an anniversary year (other than 40 years since their last studio album, but that was more of a coincidence). It therefore doesn’t have to be this year. Realistically though, if they can’t be bothered with this milestone, I think that really could be it. |
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Post by Alan on Apr 24, 2024 16:00:57 GMT
Apparently, the ABBA: Against The Odds documentary is scheduled to be shown in the UK on BBC One at 10.40pm on Wednesday 8 May.
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Post by justabba on Apr 24, 2024 16:17:05 GMT
Do the surprises have to do,with the show, or anything at all?
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Post by richard on Apr 24, 2024 16:46:06 GMT
I think I've said this before (and maybe I'm being unfair in saying it), but it strikes me that Benny and Björn are small 'c' conservative and unadventurous in releasing their music. It's up to them, of course, but I'm guessing any lofty notions of protecting their legacy - if that has anything to do with it - doesn't carry much weight with most fans and casual listeners. But perhaps I'm wrong about that.
For me, what ABBA have long achieved is their secure legacy, and won't be negatively affected by what's released now - even if regarded as bad or indifferent in whoever's opinion.
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Post by bjorenny on Apr 24, 2024 17:46:26 GMT
I've got an anthology boxset of The Carpenters which includes very catchy 30-second jingles they made for a Japanese soft drink amongst other things -it doesn't mean that fans think any less of their 'proper song' releases, and I think enough time has passed since ABBA's peak years to now release an 'everything including the kitchen sink' boxset. As well as the usual, some alternate versions, different mixes, Hovas Vittne, Gòrel 30 Är, even the National advert to the tune of Fernando and the Radio 1 Waterloo-tune jingle. We have the whole back catalogue being remastered in Dolby Atmos, so that's something, I suppose, but I feel it's now or never to loosen the vault doors a little. I don't want a 'newly released' ABBA track being released in 40 years time as per Now & Then by The Beatles, as many of us won't be here to enjoy it.
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Post by baab on Apr 24, 2024 19:49:48 GMT
Ludwig (interviewed with Svana about the voyage project) is pretty adamant that there are no new surprises to come from the band. I wonder if a “surprise” includes a setlist change for the show I see it before my inner eyes, a fire flash Runs through ABBA Arena and Björn and Benny's ABBAtars transform into Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley from Kiss and Agnetha and Frida sing "I Was Made For Loving You" 😂😂😂 Regarding the releases, I still have hope. 1994 marked the 20th Anniversary and by May 1994, we were not thinking that 5 months later we would receive a whole bunch of unreleased material... |
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Post by twelvty66 on Apr 24, 2024 20:16:07 GMT
Do the surprises have to do,with the show, or anything at all? Pretty sure Ludwig was referring to all aspects of the band’s output. Svana did mention possible changes to Voyage setlist, but this would surely be a long way down the line. |
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Post by twelvty66 on Apr 24, 2024 20:23:32 GMT
The programme is available to listen to on the BBC Sounds app (even though it is dated 4 May) and is interesting on the subject of the ‘camp’ that was set up in the Stockholm studio during the motion capture recordings—apparently there were themed nights for many of the the songs performed to keep the band entertained and inspired
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Post by justabba on Apr 24, 2024 21:07:13 GMT
I would be suprised if Ludvig and Svana could be spokespersons for their music releases, but you might be right.
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Post by Michal on Apr 25, 2024 6:23:34 GMT
It seems there are very few of us here who still have some hope and optimism. I agree with baab that it's still quite early for a major release. And I bear in mind the two important quotes from the last year: "We have to be more inventive this time" (Björn Ulvaeus) and "Next year is going to be exciting" (Janne Schaffer). Somehow I don't believe that Janne would get excited by a few documentaries and Waterloo reissues. In Björn's case it is more complicated as I feel that sometimes he expresses rather his personal wishes and beliefs than ABBA's actual plans. But there is time still. And don't forget about the videos having been remastered in 4K and the Dolby Atmos mixes - they were hardly made for YouTube only. |
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Post by justabba on Apr 25, 2024 7:10:16 GMT
The Bjorn comments were regarding discussions with their record company for anniversary releases. We know from Mia from Sweden universal they started work on this at the beginning of 2023. Bjorn actually said it will not be a re release. We find that boring. It needs to be more resourceful...
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Post by justabba on Apr 25, 2024 7:15:48 GMT
I should say since then earlier this year Bjorn stated abba are no more and the vaults are empty. So believe what you will!
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Post by Alan on Apr 25, 2024 7:39:46 GMT
A reminder of what Björn said last year, in full:
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And this just in! A new interview with Bjorn in the Netherlands...
Ulvaeus has sporadic contact with the other three ABBA members, now a little less than two years ago when the new album Voyage was released. As fun and lucrative as that was, it really was the final piece. That was definitely our last album. Not our last activity, because now we have to start thinking about next year, when it will be fifty years ago that we won the Eurovision Song Contest with Waterloo.”
Thanks to compatriot Loreen and her hit Tattoo, that party is at least celebrated in our own country. ,,Amazing, right? Our anniversary and the Eurovision Song Contest in Sweden coincide beautifully. Yes, that's a coincidence. I know there are people who think it's intentional, but it's not planned. I'm glad Loreen won, although unfortunately I missed it myself. I was writing that night. Although I had seen her perform in our national preliminary round, so I am familiar with her act and her song.”
Oh this is perfect! This is all I need, do you think we can rent this?
Björn Ulvaeus (ABBA) about Royal Theater Carré
It is inevitable that ABBA will have a role in the Eurovision song contest next year. ,,Hopefully in Stockholm, our home city”, Ulvaeus gives a cross. ,,ABBA and the Eurovision Song Contest belong together and next year even more so. How are we going to do it? We have no idea yet. We're just now thinking about that. Our record company recently started talking about it. We have to do something with it, it will not be a re-release, we find that very boring. We need to be more resourceful.”
They don't want to perform anymore, not even on this occasion. Or it must be the ABBAtars, that is of course possible. “We will also think about that. I am especially happy that we can celebrate this next year, it feels unreal that it has already been fifty years.”
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(The interview - or at least this part of it - can no longer be found online).
It can be argued that the Waterloo reissues don’t count in what Björn said, as these are merely part of an ongoing series and would have happened anyway.
I’d still say that the record company working on this year’s releases from the start of last year may be nothing unusual or significant, and that perhaps they’re always working a year in advance on anything. There was, at one point, a backlog on vinyl due to not enough pressing plants. If that is still the case then these things have to ge ordered early (and with three lots of ABBA vinyl reissues released in the space of 12 months, that’s not too surprising).
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Post by justabba on Apr 25, 2024 9:05:48 GMT
Thanks Alan! My memory was almost perfect!!
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Post by Alan on Apr 26, 2024 7:15:59 GMT
The Radio 2 ABBA list, voted for by listeners: 1. Dancing Queen 2. The Winner Takes It All 3. Thank You For The Music 4. Slipping Through My Fingers 5. The Day Before You Came 6. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) 7. Waterloo 8. Knowing Me, Knowing You 9. Super Trouper 10. Eagle 11. Mamma Mia 12. Fernando 13. Chiquitita 14. Voulez-Vous 15. SOS 16. The Name Of the Game 17. Take A Chance On Me 18. Does Your Mother Know 19. Lay All Your Love On Me 20. I Have A Dream 21. One Of Us 22. Angeleyes 23. Andante, Andante 24. Summer Night City 25. Money, Money, Money 26. My Love, My Life 27. Our Last Summer 28. Honey, Honey 29. The Visitors 30. Don’t Shut Me Down I wonder how different this list would have been had it NOT been possible to vote for the same song five times? www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2024/your-ultimate-abba-song-results-announced |
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