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Post by foreverfan on May 13, 2024 15:58:53 GMT
With everything going on and the vast majority underwhelming ( to most of us , or is it just me ? ) have you had enough ?
There will be those who cant get enough and others like myself need a break, to enjoy the music again fully....
Theres been, personally all disappointing , various releases on a theme that's been done before, Radio top 30s radio bottom 30s, TV show after tv show, mainly repeats, ( Against all odds was ok But on late for the casual viewer... ) , Waterloo played to death, Eurovision fiasco, will they won't they... newspapers full of the same old stories.... ultimately let's be honest... nothing startlingly new...
ok we are only only a few months into the year and who knows what's to come if anything, afterall the actually anniversary has passed, depending on which date you choose...
I began to think what do the fans of The Beatles, Elvis etc think, artists long gone, some not even alive, does the casual fan still dream, hope for something new....
Im beginning to feel a little jaded, tired of it all... I want to get back to enjoying the music again without overkill..
what do the rest of you think, or am I out there on my own.....
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Post by johnny on May 13, 2024 17:37:19 GMT
Not on your own.
Too many fans expected too much. We got a NEW album less than 3 years ago.
And the UNIQUE ABBA Voyage show
And all ABBA members are alive and well. Let them live out their remaining days without the "YOU OWE US" brigade (including at least one member from here)
Yep. Eurovision is crap.
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Post by Tinneke on May 13, 2024 17:39:02 GMT
I agree 100%. I respect that Abba is no more and they made that very clear in 2024 so far. Except when Voyage the show could be promoted for millions of viewers. But Universal Sweden carries on and on. I wish they would stop. But it's all about the money I am afraid. And now the definitive collection will be released on vinyl in november. If that is true.
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Post by johnny on May 13, 2024 17:55:50 GMT
^ Oops. I made that up. British sence of humour, or not. 😀
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Post by Alan on May 13, 2024 19:09:28 GMT
Which bit?! Not the “Eurovision is crap” sentence. I’d agree 100% with that. |
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Post by richard on May 13, 2024 19:15:37 GMT
I admit, despite everything, that I've occasionally wondered (much less so now) if, during the Voyage sessions, ABBA might have recorded more songs than they've let on about. They certainly had the time to do so. But did they have the energy and creativity? By including an old song on the Voyage album - Just A Notion - it suggests to me that such energy and creativity was a bit lacking. Probably understandably, now I think about it.
I agree that it makes good sense to just enjoy the music they have done, free of extraneous and unrealistic expectations!
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Post by Alan on May 13, 2024 22:35:40 GMT
I admit, despite everything, that I've occasionally wondered (much less so now) if, during the Voyage sessions, ABBA might have recorded more songs than they've let on about. They certainly had the time to do so. Well, we know they did. There’s “Hit By A Train” (if that really is its final title) plus one other. And CMP has recently mentioned earlier versions of Ode To Freedom. Ignorance is bliss… I would have been fine believing that they recorded the ten songs on Voyage and nothing else. But Benny had to go and spill the beans. And it’s not like we hadn’t been there before. We knew about Just Like That and I Am The City in 1982. As I say, ABBA may owe us nothing but likewise, we owe them zero in return. It shouldn’t be used to justify anything they say or do or to shame anyone that appears to be ungrateful. |
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Post by johnny on May 14, 2024 0:48:11 GMT
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Post by justabba on May 14, 2024 6:50:18 GMT
I'm feeling the same. I agree with Alan. Ignorance would have been bliss, but Benny very pointedly mentioned the 2 songs in 2021. Since then there have been a lot of hints, rumours and leaks. I heard from several sources 3 songs had berm completed. Perhaps all plans were cancelled? Who knows? But it's been very underwhelming so far......
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Post by foreverfan on May 14, 2024 8:51:50 GMT
Regarding the question that Johnny proposed above....
This thread is not about what we want/like/dislike it's more about have you had enough of dare I say it, ABBA , in the media at the moment, like all threads it evolves and one question/ answer goes off topic all natural of course .....
Personally I don't mind how this evolves or gets merged... it's about for me anyhow opening up conversation and keeping this site alive... there's so few of us left...
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Post by johnny on May 14, 2024 11:25:36 GMT
I think most of us can agree it would have been better is Benny didn't mention those 2 songs.
From the other thread, Alan talked of ABBA taking the piss and BAAB raised tgw TikTok issue. All ABBA members are guilty of raising hopes. That TikTok "did you miss us" and Frida's "never say never" were tge worst offenders. Though as I said before I didn't read too much into Frida's comments
Benny has, in fairness, been the one most clear that there will be no more.
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Post by richard on May 14, 2024 11:35:14 GMT
Well, as you're obviously aware, Graham, it's a paradoxical situation. I find myself having not much to say about ABBA now, and I know I could easily repeat myself - and have! And the longer one stays a member of a forum devoted to one group, repetition often seems the name of the game.
Indeed, If anyone has a reasonably good memory, they will remember the same points and opinions recurring, stated by different people at different times. And I don't see how that could be any different when it comes to a forum focused on an older successful group such as ABBA
And that's where a certain level of "We've been here before" happens - and, as you used the dreaded word, boredom might occasionally set in.*
By the way, in my previous post in this thread, I meant that I had this admittedly now absurd fantasy that they had recorded a bunch of additional songs during the Voyage sessions and were holding them back for a final, 50th Anniversary album!
Naive or what!
* EDIT: My apologies to Graham. My bad. I realise now that you didn't use the word 'boredom' in your OP to this thread - that's my thinking! I acknowledge that you mentioned feeling "a little jaded and tired of it all" [the conjecture] of whether ABBA would bring fans something new in their Waterloo 50th anniversary year
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Post by HOMETIME on May 16, 2024 8:12:13 GMT
I get your point, foreverfan . That said, the sudden ABBA saturation in the media seems tied to Eurovision and the April anniversary. I reckon we'll have uninterrupted silence, unless a new release is considered. I've accepted that new material most likely won't appear, and my response to the 50th anniversary so far has been "is that it?" I notice that even Bobby's Brother on YouTube has taken an unusually negative turn (his latest video about the Eurovision fiasco). I reckon that discussion on this forum will settle back to its quieter old self soon (if not already). We have plenty of ABBA, ABBA-related and other music to enjoy. ABBA know where we are if they want us. |
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Post by johnny on May 16, 2024 18:01:22 GMT
Hometime, Bobby's Brother was pretty scathing - not about ABBA but Swedish TV and Eurovision for raising expectations - and taking the piss. Rather like Gary Davies hyping up "big news" ie a poll and that Tik Tok message.
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Post by foreverfan on May 16, 2024 18:14:58 GMT
Good on you Bobbys Brother, all so true... huge anti climax.....
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Post by baab on May 17, 2024 5:45:40 GMT
Simple thing with the TikTok message is: The ESC coincidented with the return of Universal artists to TikTok after Universal laid down their dispute with the plattform.
So the new clip was supposed to tell the TikTok User "Hey, we're back again"
The Media Team who runs the official ABBA canal on TikTok could have taken any seconds of billions of film seconds from ABBA
to underlay this message, but they chose the 1974 Brighton ESC "Postcard"
Was this on purpose or just thoughtlessness? WE will never know.
But thinking about why I personally was believing that there is more ABBA music to be released this year is mainly a statement from Ex-ABBA guitarist Janne Schaffer (who revealed in August 2021 that there is a whole ABBA Album comming). When he did the album with German group Groenalund last year, he said: Oh yes, the big Anniversary! "There is more music to come, the ABBA Fans will be delighted, 2024 will be a great year for them."
I do not want to fuel anymore expectations, Just wanted to clarify why I personally hoped there would be 1 or more Songs to come. We'll never know.
Particularly I remember that in the 1980ies and 1990ies there were always rumours of several unreleased ABBA tracks. Then first of all the bootlegs from Just Like That and I Am The City emerged.
But when this Thank You For The Music box came out, we received "Put On Your White Sombrero" this title was never mentioned before! Also the working titles of the ABBA undeleted mix have never been stated before, I think.
Therefore I still think, sooner or later, there will be more previously unreleased music to hear from ABBA but ABBA cannot be accounted for any real expectations.
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Post by johnny on May 17, 2024 7:08:30 GMT
BAAB, in the 80s/90s there might well have been rumours of unreleased or unfinished songs. That was before the internet - and endless duscussions and theories!
I hope any "new" song will be better than Just Like That, I am the City and the terrible Put On Your White Sombrero.
On TikTok, I'm sure the deal with Universal was coincidentally around the time of the Waterloo anniversary. Sure too that Universal made the most of ABBA's message (not from them of course) and linking it to Eurovision.
ESC and Gary Davies on Radio 2 were deliberate and planned wind-ups
I agree with Bobby's Brother that the ABBAtars don't look so great on TV. The Agnetha one in particular looks like a 1970s wax work. I guess this is an examole of "you really have to be there".
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Post by gazman on May 17, 2024 7:48:25 GMT
My take on it is that Bobby's Bother is obviously not Swedish, and he doesn't get Swedish humour....and he also stokes people's expectations with his videos in my view, so his criticism is rather ironic. Just my personal opinion, of course.
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Post by johnny on May 17, 2024 8:07:25 GMT
Bobby's Brother's tone in his videos is always very serious and 'earnest' and lacks humour. So I get it if he doesn't do or get jokes. I did a joke on here about a new ABBA compilation with 50 vinyl versions (realistic) and 'fan favourite' (not realistic!) Little Things. Wind ups work when they sound they could be true!
I wasn't expecting ABBA to be at Eurovision but some fans lived in hope. The humour was of a piss take, at them.
Maybe some fans should have known better. I read some social media posts and there really were fans exoecting ABBA to be there.
Janne Schaffer made himself look like a fool in 2021. Saying there was a new album. Then, no, it was a misunderstanding - and then there was a new album immediately afterwards. But he was right about a new album!
I didn't see those comments he made about this year. It raises hopes of some fans who are looking forward to something new. Who was he speaking to?
Moral of all this? Scale down expectations.
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Post by johnny on May 17, 2024 9:56:46 GMT
My take on it is that Bobby's Bother is obviously not Swedish, and he doesn't get Swedish humour....and he also stokes people's expectations with his videos in my view, so his criticism is rather ironic. Just my personal opinion, of course. Is this the sort of thing you mean, whipping up a possible announcement for Voyage going to Melbourne? As discussed several times, Australia is not viable. It doesn't have the large fan base like the UK or huge potential overseas visitors, like London. Asian locations even less viable. |
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Post by justabba on May 17, 2024 17:16:28 GMT
But thinking about why I personally was believing that there is more ABBA music to be released this year is mainly a statement from Ex-ABBA guitarist Janne Schaffer (who revealed in August 2021 that there is a whole ABBA Album coming). When he did the album with German group Groenalund last year, he said: Oh yes, the big Anniversary! "There is more music to come, the ABBA Fans will be delighted, 2024 will be a great year for them." That's very interesting regarding Janne remarks. Who did he say that to? |
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Post by johnny on May 17, 2024 18:56:14 GMT
Yep, his remarks interesting but I don't think that was the reason people were duped at ESC or Gary Davies's "special announcement".
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Post by justabba on May 17, 2024 19:26:00 GMT
Yep, his remarks interesting but I don't think that was the reason people were duped at ESC or Gary Davies's "special announcement". Of course not but I'm trying to establish authentication of this statement as I've never heard it quoted before. |
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Post by richard on May 17, 2024 22:23:01 GMT
Remember all the conjecture before the Voyage album? No chance of that. It wasn't going to happen. This from Björn or Benny or both. So maybe, after all, they did record a bunch of extra songs during the Voyage sessions that they're going to release. But in the absence of hard facts any surmising about it has become boring to me now, and I have very little interest anymore in such an unlikely event.
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Post by baab on May 17, 2024 23:42:16 GMT
I hope any "new" song will be better than Just Like That, I am the City and the terrible Put On Your White Sombrero. Yes, there are two sides of a medal. The reason why ABBA have created so many pop classics is, that they dumped inferior songs ultimately (at least most of the time, with few exceptions). When they didn't like a song back in the days and didn't change their minds then why release it later. One wouldn't have asked Picasso to empty his wastebin just to get everything available from the Artist. I agree with Jonny, I do not want to own every note from ABBA, if it sounds as bad as e.g. Put On Your White Sombrero |
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Post by baab on May 18, 2024 0:11:12 GMT
That's very interesting regarding Janne remarks. Who did he say that to? He said it during an ABBA Fan Webinar organised by the Official ABBA Fan Club, that was in December 2023. |
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Post by justabba on May 18, 2024 6:36:20 GMT
I'm sorry but that isn't what he said in the fanclub zoom.(I'm a long standing member) I thought you meant he made these different comments to someone during the recording of the Groenalund album last year?
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Post by Michal on May 18, 2024 13:25:53 GMT
I'm sorry but that isn't what he said in the fanclub zoom.(I'm a long standing member) I thought you meant he made these different comments to someone during the recording of the Groenalund album last year? I don't know what he said in the fanclub zoom but in the magazine it was reported that he said that 2024 would be exciting. I don't think he would get excited by the SVT gala or Conchita Wurst. I still hope for some celebratory release. If nothing happens by the end of November, I will accept that it's finally over. |
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