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Post by madonnabba on Mar 3, 2018 21:05:41 GMT
Could My love, my life released as a double A side with Money money money given Abba a Christmas number one in 1976?With its dreamy angelic vocals and bells it might have helped nudge them up to number one ahead of Johnny Mathis. Similarly Happy new year as a double A side with Super Trouper might have returned them to number one at the festive period in 1980.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 22:23:44 GMT
'When A Child Is Born' by Johnny Mathis, was able to hold the UK No.1 Position for Christmas & New Year 1976/1977 because it had huge Sales at the time. (It was the UK's 50th Best Selling Single of the 1970's).
Also, the former No.1 by Shawaddywaddy - 'Under The Moon Of Love' - held at No.2, which is why 'Money, Money, Money' got no higher than No.3. (The ABBA Hit sold over 500,000 UK copies, but the UK Charts Company only have its 1976 Sales, which were 310,000. They think that is all it sold. I've told them that its 1977 Sales are missing & that it sold 540,000 to 560,000, in the UK).
Bear in mind, that the Showaddywaddy Hit, (their only No.1), was only a cover of a 1961 USA Top 50 Hit, by Curtis Lee, so the Song was not even new. But, its UK Sales were huge & it was the UK's 10th Best Selling Single of the 1970's.
However, both the Johnny Mathis Hit & the Showaddywaddy Hit had a big advantage over ABBA's - neither were selling, by the truckload, on a huge Album. Of course the ABBA Hit was selling on 'Arrival' too, so that took away a lot of its Sales as a Single. (Even with 'My Love, My Life', as a Double 'A' Side, the 'problem' would have been the same - 'Arrival' taking away Sales of the Single).
Regarding 'Happy New Year'. I heard, (in December 1980), that ABBA were considering rushing it out, as a very fast follow-up to 'Super Trouper'. Then they changed their minds, because the 'Super Trouper' Single was still in the UK & German etc. Top 5's. ABBA seemed to worry about having 2 Hits in the UK Top 10, at the same time. That is why Epic Records liked to wait until ABBA Hits were way outside the Top 10, before releasing the next ABBA Single.
It was silly really. It would have done ABBA no harm, to have both 'Super Trouper' & 'Happy New Year', in the UK & German Top 5's, in December 1980 & January 1981.
There would have been no need for them to be a Double 'A' Side.
It is far harder for 'old' Acts to have big Singles, in these days of 'Streaming', which is why both Madonna & Kylie Minogue can no longer reach the UK Top 10, with Singles, even though they have had over 60 & over 30 Top 10 Singles, respectively.
As a result, ABBA will never again have a UK Top 10 Single. Even a New Track would have to battle against all the Acts with huge 'Streaming' totals. ABBA's last chance, to have a 20th UK Top 10 Single, & 10th German No.1 Single, was in the early 1990's. It is now far too late.
Another thing that ABBA can never do - even when each of them get huge attention, when they die - is to have a lot of old Singles re-entering the UK Charts. It has happened when a Beatle died, Elvis Presley died & Michael Jackson died. It can never, ever happen for ABBA. This is because The UK Charts Company brought a 'Rule' in, in early 2017, that no Act is allowed more than 3 Hits, at the same time, in the UK Top 100. (This was because Ed Sheeran placed 16 Songs in the Top 20, at the same time, in early 2017. It caused a big uproar. The OCC decided to ensure that it can never happen again, by limiting each Act to just 3 simultaneous Top 100 Hits).
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Post by gary on Mar 3, 2018 23:08:01 GMT
The closest ABBA came to having a UK Christmas number one was with I Have A Dream, which was number two in the charts for four weeks over the 'festive' period. It may not be a fan favourite, but it does have a bit of a Christmassy feel, both musically and lyrically. It was a good choice of single at that time of year, and proved it by being a big seller.
I am sure Money Money Money would have been a UK number one had it not been released into the Christmas market. ABBA were at their peak then (the previous three singles and the next three singles all got to number one), it is a superb song and it was number one in many other countries. I'm not sure I completely agree that it was disadvantaged by being on a big-selling album. If so, how come Knowing Me Knowing You was number one for five weeks?
Good to hear that MMM's sales were far higher than 310,000.
While Happy New Year would undoubtedly have been a hit if it was released as a single, its sales would not have lasted very long. Few people would have been buying a 'New Year' song after about the first week in January.
I too doubt that ABBA will ever have another top ten single. Even if a member of ABBA died, they are not household names like John Lennon or George Harrison.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 3, 2018 23:51:35 GMT
I feel the singles charts have been devalued over recent years. Being number one and especially entering at number one used to be a rare feat. Some years having fewer than 12 number one singles prior to 2000. Even the anticipation of the Christmas number one has lost its appeal to me. As much as I have tried to take to Ed, Adele or Sam I find them rather depressing. Ok in small doses. Cannot take away from their popularity. Each to their own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 1:42:11 GMT
Gary - I'm aware that 'Knowing Me, Knowing You' managed 5 Weeks at No.1, in the UK, despite being on 'Arrival'. The ABBA Album had sold about 750,000 in the UK, when the 1977 Single reached No.1.
I was not saying that 'Arrival's Sales stopped 'Money, Money, Money' from reaching No.1. I was saying that it played a part - because the Showaddywaddy & Johnny Mathis Hits were able to keep ahead of it, with Weekly huge Singles Sales - because neither of them had any big Album Sales - at all - holding them back.
Had 'Arrival' been released in - say - February 1977 - then 'Money, Money, Money' would have been on a far more equal playing field, with both the Johnny Mathis & Showaddywaddy Hits.
When 'Knowing Me, Knowing You' went to No.1, it only needed to displace a Manhattan Transfer Single, which was not a huge seller. So it was far easier for ABBA to remove them from No.1, than it was for ABBA to reach No.1 at Christmas/New Year 1976/1977. I was saying that it did not help 'Money, Money, Money', that it was also selling 1000's & 1000's on 'Arrival', at the same time.
Regarding 'I Have A Dream' - It spent 4 Weeks at No.2 in the UK, over Christmas & New Year 1979/1980. So, it had really big UK Sales - over 500,000. But, it was not ABBA's biggest selling UK Hit of 1979. 'Chiquitita' outsold it, but only by about 20,000 copies. ABBA entered the UK Charts at No.21 with 'I Have A Dream'. It then jumped to No.2. ABBA were very unlucky, that Pink Floyd decided to release their 1st Single in around 20 Years. It was almost unheard of for Pink Floyd to release Singles. Had they not done so, ABBA would have jumped from No.21 to No.1. It would have been the biggest jump to No.1 - ever - in the UK Singles Chart. Neither the Pink Floyd nor ABBA Singles were in the UK's Top 100 Best Sellers of 1979. This was because the Year End Charts for 1979 cut off on W/E 8th December, which meant that both Singles lost 3 Weeks of 1979 Sales. Had those final 3 Weeks been added in, the Pink Floyd Single would have been in the Top 10 of the Year & 'I Have A Dream' would have been about 23rd. 'Chiquitita' was 16th.
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Post by gary on Mar 4, 2018 9:28:07 GMT
Colin - I take your point about it being easier for Knowing Me Knowing You to get to number one. And your point about Money Money Money not competing on a level playing field with the Johnny Mathis and Showaddywaddy singles.
MMM must have been very important in keeping Arrival near the top of the UK album charts over Christmas 1976 (Arrival was mostly number two in the album chart at the time). And of course Knowing Me Knowing You was crucial in Arrival spending nine weeks in a row at number one later on.
Yes, it's a pity about the Pink Floyd single. It would have been nice if I Have A Dream could have managed one place higher.
(BTW, you accidentally say that IHAD spent four weeks at number one.)
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Post by foreverfan on Mar 4, 2018 12:55:09 GMT
All ifs buts and maybes , but fun to look at in retrospect...
"If" Super Trouper had been released after John Lennon's death, it to could've made Christmas number one, his track Just Like Staring Over was only number one for one week, and was sadly Replaced by the dire There's No one Quite Like Grandma which was the Christmas and New Year number one of 1980. So we weigh up a 3 week stint at number one before John Lennon or a Christmas 2 weeks. As after that there was no stopping John Lennon getting to number one with Imagine and Woman.
Alternatively... ST released earlier, and Happy New Year released at 🎄 Christmas, which I personally think was a wasted opportunity, as like many European nations it's still a minor hit nearly every year since... here in the UK , hardly anyone out side of us die hard will know it... hardly ever played on UK radio even at Christmas.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 14:16:38 GMT
Gary - Thanks for telling me about my error in calling 'I Have a Dream' a UK No.1 Hit.
I've been doing some checking. I used to know a fellow from the B.B.C., who had connections with the UK Chart Compilers, in the 1970's & early 1980's. Sadly, he died a few Years ago.
In the 1970's & early 1980's it was BMRB who compiled the UK Charts - British Market Research Bureau.
They relied on paperwork then, due to Computers not being around - well, not to compile Music Charts, anyhow.
At the end of every Year, they'd work out the UK's Best Selling Singles & Albums, for that Year. However, as they wanted B.B.C. Radio One to count down those Charts, they always ended the Sales Year about 3 Weeks before the Year ended. This meant that the UK's Top 100 Singles & Albums of the Year always missed out on the biggest Sales Weeks - which were Christmas & New Year. (The 1st Week in January was also missed out, as all of its Sales were really in the December that had just ended).
However, the B.B.C. guy found out what the Year End Top 100's would have looked like, had the BMRB added in the Sales for the last 3 December Weeks & the 1st January Week. 'Money, Money, Money' was only the 95th Best Seller of 1976, due to it losing 4 Weeks of Sales. Had those Sales been added in it would have been about 29th for the Year, and about 11th had all of its Sales been in 1976, rather than a lot of them occurring in 1977.
In 1979 Pink Floyd would have been 5th for the Year, had it had the missing Sales Weeks added in. 'I Have a Dream' would have been 25th. 'Chiquitita' would have fallen from 16th to 17th place - due to Pink Floyd being in the Top 10 of the Year. As it is, neither the Pink Floyd nor ABBA Hit made the Top 100 for 1979, as they were released so late in the Year, & their 1979 Sales were in BMRB's 'Missing' Weeks - as well as Week 1 in 1980. (But - The BMRB still gathered Sales for each Year's 'Missing' Weeks, it just did not include them in its Top 100's of the Year).
'Greatest Hits Vol.2' was 8th for 1979, but it too had 4 Weeks of Sales missing. Had they been added in, it would have been 3rd for 1979 - pushing 'Voulez-Vous' down from 5th to 6th place, in the Year's Top 100 UK Albums.
At the end of 1981, 'One Of Us' was released too late to be in the Year's Top 100. Had it been given those Sales, it would have been about 28th for the Year. As it is, BMRB forgot to - ever - add in its Sales for the 'Missing' Chart of W/E 2nd January 1982. It sold 96,000 in that Chart. The current UK Chart compilers - The Official Charts Company, (The OCC), has inherited the low Total. Which is why they have its 1981/1982 UK Sales on just 405,000. But it really sold just over 500,000 in the UK. (Of course, 'Money, Money, Money', 'Chiquitita', 'I Have A Dream', and 'One of Us', have sold several 1,000 UK copies, in Downloads in more recent Years - to add to their old Singles Totals).
Foreverfan - I've noticed that every January, 'Happy New Year' climbs the iTunes Charts, of a great many European and Asian Countries. However, you can see that it is not that well known in the 'English Speaking World'. It never, ever makes much January impact in the iTunes Charts for the UK, Ireland, USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
It has just been mainly forgotten, as a Track on 'Super Trouper', in those Countries. It may be far more well known had it been a Track on 'More ABBA Gold'. But it wasn't & ABBA Studio Albums just do not attract huge numbers of buyers, in this day & age. It is mostly 'die hard' Fans who buy them. Which is why Millions of people liked 'Slipping Through My Fingers' in 'Mamma Mia!', but they heard it for the 1st time in that Film. Due to it being 'buried', on 'The Visitors' Studio Album prior to that. (It was on the Bonus Disk, of the 'Deluxe' 'Number Ones' Compilation, in 2006, but that was hardly a big seller, in most Countries).
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Post by gary on Mar 4, 2018 14:45:25 GMT
Colin - interesting stuff. It’s a shame that the ‘true’ facts are not a matter of record.
Just a thought - I wonder if it was ever the intention that KMKY be released before MMM? The video for KMKY is certainly a bit Christmassy (or at least a bit snowy).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 16:52:51 GMT
I wonder whether, had 'I Have A Dream' been a UK chart-topper in '79, we'd now be dismissing it as a 'soft' Number One that shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as ABBA's other, 'proper' chart-toppers - a song clearly inferior to DQ, KMKY, TWTIA etc etc etc and that only rose to the top spot because its release piggy-backed the peace-on-earth vibe that's part and parcel of the festive season. Personally, I like the fact that ABBA didn't have a Christmas Number One. All of their chart-toppers were 'legit' and can't be tainted with the charge of 'seasonal cynicism' (or 'shrewd marketing', if you prefer). In any case, IHAD is nowhere near as good as 'Another Brick', even though the latter almost qualifies as a novelty hit in view of Floyd's shunning of the quest for singles success over a good many years.
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Post by gary on Mar 4, 2018 19:30:04 GMT
I Have A Dream certainly doesn’t have a great reputation among ABBA fans. I remember asking an extremely devout ABBA fan whether there were any ABBA songs he didn’t like, and he immediately said I Have A Dream!
It’s not one of my favourites either, but I think it is slightly underrated. I remember both my grandmothers liked it a lot! There’s quite a few ABBA songs I would rate worse.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 4, 2018 20:13:56 GMT
I remember liking it at the time and not liking Voulez Vous but that has changed over the years. I prefer Voulez Vous. I think it’s the lyrics of I have a dream., A bit too sugary. Strangely I like the Spanish version. But I feel the same about Thankyou for the music. Loved it in 1978 but reach for skip button if it comes on now. However three that I have always disliked are Two for the price of one, I saw it in the mirror and Sitting in the Palmtree. Guess it was released for the Christmas market as there were two more obvious choices as singles As good as New and if it wasn’t for the nights. Think it was the 1st time in chart history that both number one and two in the charts featured choirs of children. Abba were unfortunate to finish at number two twice in 1979 up against two massive songs - Heart of Glass at start of year and Another brick in the wall at the end of the year.
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Post by shoshin on Mar 4, 2018 23:06:12 GMT
All ifs buts and maybes , but fun to look at in retrospect... My favourite if/but relates to If It Wasn't For The Nights, a likely Christmas number one (or just after Christmas if Mary's Boy Child had fought it off). It was set up perfectly by featuring on Mike Yarwood's 1978 Christmas show which, for non-UK or younger abbachatters, was just about the most watched tv programme in the country during that period. For me, IIWFTN was almost DQ calibre; failing to release it in December '78 was the second biggest mistake they ever made (after turning down If I Can't Have You on the Saturday Night Fever album).
I have a dream; that IIWFTN makes such an impression in MM2 that it will be hailed as DQ's lost sister and finally get its somewhat belated single release, giving ABBA that top ten single in 2018
The album version is too long of course, but we not only already have a hit single edit, but a knockout video to go with it
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 4, 2018 23:12:13 GMT
Having read everyone’s comments I think there was only one year where Abba could have secured a no.1 at Christmas ..1980. The year of the awful -there’s no one quite like Grandma. If Super Trouper had been issued a bit later but sales of Super Trouper album by that point might have impacted on sales. 1977 was a no with Mull of Kintyre shifting over 2 million, likewise 1978 Boney m and Mary’s boy child sold close to 2 million, 1979... the Floyd and 1981 the Human league massive hit Don’t you want me?
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 4, 2018 23:24:22 GMT
Yeah I remember watching them on the Christmas special. Big viewer numbers in those days-only 3 channels . No videos etc. They also performed TYFTM. And I thought they had been offered If I can’t have you. What another missed oppurtunity especially as that became massive in the states. Think it was number one. It’s also a favourite of mine. That’s made me think about other songs now.
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Post by shoshin on Mar 4, 2018 23:35:27 GMT
Having read everyone’s comments I think there was only one year where Abba could have secured a no.1 at Christmas ..1980... You're probably right, but Mary's Boy Child was starting to run out of steam towards the end of December 1978. The high initial chart trajectory of Chiquitita a month or so later indicates that a perfectly timed release of IIWFTN could conceivably have toppled Boney M.
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Post by shoshin on Mar 5, 2018 0:53:31 GMT
...1981 the Human league massive hit Don’t you want me? An ABBA Christmas number one in a way, since the song's co-writer Jo Callis has admitted that they nicked its synth hook from Eagle
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 8:34:37 GMT
I just can't visualise the circumstances where IIWFTN would have outsold Boney M at Christmas (when it would have been hampered by being neither a seasonal nor a novelty song), or Village People in the New Year, for that matter. Eye of the beholder, of course, but for me it's a good album track, not a single - and certainly not on a par with the classic run of singles from SOS to TACOM. The only counter-factual that might have changed that MIGHT have been if ABBA hadn't released SNC in the summer (having realised it wasn't quite up to scratch) and had left a huge void (very unusually for the time) after TACOM - and had then built up massive public expectation and a fever-pitch media frenzy with an 'ABBA are BACK!!!' campaign in November, prior to releasing IIWFTN. That might POSSIBLY have been enough to snatch a week in the top spot in the Christmas market. But I think they faced an obvious problem, in singles terms, with all the 'Voulez Vous' material in the sense that it didn't quite match up to their own back catalogue. I can see why they eventually plumped for 'Chiquitita' (despite or maybe because of the fact that it had 'Fernando' re-tread elements); I suspect IIWFTN would have done neither better nor worse and would have been relying on a lucky gap in the market if it was to reach Number One. Village People ensured that such a gap didn't appear in early 79, of course. Ian Dury pinched a week at Number One after them before Blondie and the Bee Gees tied things up for ages. Overall, I can't really see a vacancy for an ABBA B-plus single topping the charts between December 78 and Easter 79. Just my impression, based on my memories of the time, not on any analysis of stats etc.
On 'If I Can't Have You', I'm pleased ABBA stuck to the self-penned material route. Just lining up alongside The Trammps, Kool & the Gang and sundry others on the Night Fever soundtrack would have devalued the brand, for me, although it would have helped them shift units Stateside at the time. A bullet dodged, in terms of their legacy and ultimate reputation in the UK, I'd suggest.
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Post by gary on Mar 5, 2018 9:47:10 GMT
^ Must say I agree with you about If I Can’t Have You. It’s a nice enough song, although hardly in the league of How Deep Is Your Love, Stayin’ Alive and Night Fever, but I’m glad that ABBA stuck to their guns about only releasing self-penned material.
I think if ABBA were going to release four singles from Voulez-Vous, the best ones (in order) would have been Chiquitita, If It Wasn’t For The Nights, Kisses Of Fire (or possibly As Good As New) and I Have A Dream. They’re all good single material, although the last isn’t a personal favourite. But I agree that nothing they had available in 1979 quite matches the heights of SOS to Take A Chance On Me - the absolute pinnacle of pop creativity by ABBA or anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 15:14:22 GMT
^ I think if ABBA were going to release four singles from Voulez-Vous, the best ones (in order) would have been Chiquitita, If It Wasn’t For The Nights, Kisses Of Fire (or possibly As Good As New) and I Have A Dream. If my only brief had been to maximise sales and optimise chart placings, I think I'd have gone for: 1) 'Voulez Vous' - recognising that all the material on the VV album was a slight downgrade in terms of single potential, compared to the SOS to TACOM run, I'd have shamelessly played the "Look - ABBA have captured the disco zeitgeist!" card in the quest for a smash-and-grab Number One (possibly at Ian Dury's expense) before the album came out 2) 'Angeleyes' - hoping it might break into the Top Three, just because it's a fine song and pretty distinctive within the ABBA canon, and so sounded (and still sounds) very fresh 3) 'I Have a Dream' - hoping to sweep up the mums and grannies, and resplendent in a special 'Year of the Child' picture cover including a special message from the Pope (or, if unavailable, Cliff Richard) on the back. 4) Probably IIWFTN - hoping to boost sales by pressing it on see-through vinyl, or on a picture disc, or on a piano-shaped disc*, or something else a bit tacky in tried and tested fourth-single fashion. Definitely no release for 'Crown', 'Lovers' or DYMK. 'As Good As New' would be a possible-but-probably-not. 'Kisses' is a great track but not, I think, a single. 'Chiquitita' I'd have left on the album, because I'd have been nervous of 'pale imitation of Fernando' accusations, although it's a perfectly decent song, of course. * I always loved John Cooper-Clarke's triangular 'Gimmix' single at about this time.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 5, 2018 20:35:04 GMT
I have always liked DYMK. Love the intro.And is one of the highlights in Mamma Mia. A crowd pleaser. May have charted higher had it been a double A with KOF. Not that keen on Lovers or TKHLHC. Think I would have substituted Summer Night City for one of these tracks. Love light would have been good with a bit more work on it. A bit repetitive.
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Post by shoshin on Mar 5, 2018 21:28:31 GMT
Gary - Thanks for telling me about my error in calling 'I Have a Dream' a UK No.1 Hit... It was a UK No.1 hit, and a Christmas No.1 too. Not for ABBA though
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 5, 2018 21:46:53 GMT
Was just thinking. Abba have been responsible for 13 number one singles in the U.K. The 9 Abba songs. I know him so well, abbaesque, I have a dream (West life) and Hung up. That would increase to 15 if you counted abbaesque as three(not TACOM as already counted in the 9 Abba number ones).
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Post by Zeebee on Mar 5, 2018 21:52:10 GMT
I Have A Dream certainly doesn’t have a great reputation among ABBA fans. I remember asking an extremely devout ABBA fan whether there were any ABBA songs he didn’t like, and he immediately said I Have A Dream! It’s not one of my favourites either, but I think it is slightly underrated. I remember both my grandmothers liked it a lot! There’s quite a few ABBA songs I would rate worse. For what it's worth, I've been an ABBA fan since 1977, and I've always liked I Have A Dream.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 5, 2018 21:57:17 GMT
And I also wondered about KMKY being filmed in the snow as a possible Christmas release. Think it did not do as well in Australia as it was the 4 th release from Arrival which already had phenomenal sales by that point. That and over exposure. Releasing songs like King Kong Song and Hasta Manana was madness. Maybe using Fernando in an advertising campaign was not good either. I’m sure there was talk of issuing Tiger as a single in the (UK) after KMKY but this was dropped as they thought 3 singles from the one album was sufficient.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 12:37:17 GMT
Yes - four singles from one album back in the day when acts generally brought out an album a year would have been pushing it. Which makes it ironic, perhaps, that half of the 'Voulez Vous' set was 'singled' in the UK, whereas stronger ABBA albums only spawned two or three 45s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 23:11:31 GMT
Four of ABBA's 9 UK No.1 Singles were selling 100,000's of 1,000's on Hit Albums, at the same time. A lot of the Album buyers would have not bothered to buy the No.1 Single - choosing only to get it on the Album. That took away a great many Sales from those 4 Singles. Those were: 'Fernando'/'Greatest Hits', 'Knowing Me, Knowing You'/'Arrival', 'Take A Chance On Me'/'The Album', and 'Super Trouper'/'Super Trouper'. For example, when 'Fernando' was at No.1, 'Greatest Hits' was outselling it, whilst No.1, at the same time. It was mentioned on B.B.C. Radio One, in 1976. It was very rare for an Act's Number 1 Album to be outselling its simultaneous No.1 Single, due to Albums being more expensive.
Regarding 'Chiquitita' - It was held at No.2,(2 Weeks), in the UK, by 'Heart Of Glass' by Blondie. The Blondie Hit is supposed to have sold a UK Million. However, the Guy that I knew, who worked at the B.B.C., at that time, (1970's), told me that the Chart compilers, (BMRB), had admitted to him, that they'd made an error, with its UK Sales. It did not sell a Million. It sold 850,000 - the same as 'Dancing Queen' in 1976/1977. However, the BMRB decided not to tell the UK Media about the error, so it has kept its claim of selling a Million, in 1979. Even with 850,000 UK Sales, it was able to outsell 'Chiquitita', as the ABBA Hit 'only' sold around 520,000 in the UK. (Blondie's 'Parallel Lines' Album is supposed to have sold 20 Million Worldwide, but that is a huge exaggeration. Careful research has shown, that it cannot have sold more than 8,700,000 - about 2,100,000 Million less than 'Arrival', & 500,000 more than 'Super Trouper').
The UK's Christmas No.1 for 1981/1982 was 'Don't You Want Me?' by Human League. That is supposed to have sold 1,400,000. However, research has been done on that too. No-one can find more than 1,100,000 to 1,150,000 UK Sales for it, for that period. However, it too has been allowed to keep its exaggerated Sales. 'Daddy's Home' by Cliff Richard, & 'One Of Us' by ABBA, were still unable to remove it from No.1, during its 5 No.1 Weeks. Their UK Sales were still far lower - about 590,000 to 620,000 & 500,000, respectively.
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Post by gary on Mar 7, 2018 1:14:01 GMT
undertheappletree - although it’s true that ABBA do not have one standout massive seller, I think one of the most impressive things about ABBA’s singles sales, at least in the UK, is their consistency. Every single from Mamma Mia to One Of Us (barring a 12-inch only single) sold enough to warrant at least a silver disc, and about 10 of those sold enough to warrant a gold disc. There are very few other artists that can compare with that - possibly only the Beatles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 1:56:53 GMT
Gary - The Download & Streaming Era has made it far easier for big Acts to gain Gold & Platinum UK Singles. ABBA have 10 Gold Singles, but Ed Sheeran has far more than that & he has only been having Hits since 2011. He also has at least 10 UK Million Sellers too - a few of them with over 2 Million UK Sales. Until now, no Act had more than 6 UK Million Selling Singles - The Beatles. None of theirs reached 2 Million UK Sales. Ed Sheeran has already sold more UK Singles than Queen, (12 Million), and ABBA, (11 Million). As has Rihanna. Both are now in the UK's Top 5 All Time Singles Acts. Queen are about 9th or 10th & ABBA are 10th or 11th. The Beatles are the UK's No.1 Singles Act - over 22 Million sold. But, Ed Sheeran could pass that within 2 to 3 Years...
Even One Direction have almost reached ABBA's 11 Million UK Singles Sales. They only had 4 UK No.1's, with just 4 Weeks at No.1 between them. But, they have placed many Tracks on the Singles Chart & they have almost sold as many UK Singles as ABBA - who had 9 No.1 Hits & had 31 Weeks at No.1.
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Post by madonnabba on Mar 7, 2018 2:17:20 GMT
No doubt if it was an equal playing field that if streaming had been about from the 60s Ed’s chart achievements would not seem so incredible. Big artists from yesteryear would also have album tracks flooding the charts on release of new albums.Today there appears to be more chart manipulation ...big artists avoiding releasing albums in the same week to avoid competition. Doubt if Ed would have achieved that with Divide if Adele had released an album in the same week. It’s hard to compare apple and pears. Times have changed and the charts have suffered as a result. Limiting it to 3 hits per artist should help.
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