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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 19:15:30 GMT
Hi, I often think that ABBA do not receive enough recognition and merit for their outstanding contribution to pop music. They have more talent in their little fingers than The Spice Girls and Girls Aloud put together. I am of the opinion that because they are Swedish, the band are often cruelly snubbed from award and accolade shows. This irks me a little. For example take the Brit Awards, have they ever allowed ABBA to receive an award. No! This stems from the fact that ABBA are Swedish and not British or American and that their music is more credible than they realise. This is a crying shame.
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Post by abbafun on Mar 23, 2019 21:40:01 GMT
It is unfortunate that ABBA never received any Brit awards, and not for being a Swedish act. They were nominated once, in 1977 for best LP/single Arrival.
The only nomination they could have otherwise been nominated or won in as a group would have been in the "international" catagory, and that was not introduced until 1886, when ABBA were no longer around as an active group.
So there is only so much one can pin on the Brit Awards Association.
By the way ABBA never even so much as received a nomination for a Grammy.
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Post by josef on Mar 23, 2019 21:56:11 GMT
Well, they're in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame which is no mean feat. But yes, I think their actual music is still unfairly unrecognised as is the contributions of Agnetha and Frida.
As for recent times, it's just my opinion but I really think the Mamma Mia! franchise has done some harm. The films are so dreadful and the renditions of their songs so terrible that I truly feel it's harmed their reputation- people very often see them as lightweight and insubstantial, which is a great shame. There's the argument that is trotted out that it's brought their music to a new audience and maybe it has to some degree but I'd bet a pound to a penny that it's those dreadful versions that are streamed and don't get me started on Cher. There's also this thing about sales, and money/box office.....there's also this thing about CREDIBILITY! It's not all about money/chart positions, and it shouldn't be. I couldn't care less how much money Mamma Mia! made or how it is/was the top selling film of blah blah blah. I'd much rather ABBA had more RESPECT.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2019 22:40:08 GMT
There were no BRIT Awards between 1977 and 1982! As has been stated, they were nominated for the Best International Album category with Arrival in 1977, which was the only category open to them. It was won by Simon and Garfunkel’s Bridge Over Troubled Water, a 1970 album! Therefore ABBA’s nomination (there were just four albums nominated) is actually quite significant.
The next BRIT Awards was 1982 (covering 1981) and there were no international categories.
There was a “British Rock and Pop Awards” but these were different to the official British Record Industry Awards (they didn’t become known as the BRIT Awards until 1989). Again, these unofficial British Rock and Pop Awards do not appear to have had any international categories.
It’s therefore quite misleading to claim that ABBA deserved a BRIT Award - the only one they were eligible for did include them but was won by a much older album. I don’t know why Bridge Over Troubled Water was eligible, but if older albums were allowed in the first awards, ABBA did exceptionally well to make it to the last four!
Also, Sergeant Pepper by The Beatles won the British album category in the same 1977 awards, and that was a 1967 album!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 4:40:43 GMT
Alan - The 1977 Brit Awards were to mark the Queen's Silver Jubilee - 25 Years on the Throne.
Which is why they covered the previous 25 Years of UK Music History - 1952 to 1977. That's why
'Bridge Over Troubled Water', (1970), and 'Sgt Pepper', (1967), were Winners.
The Beatles got the Outstanding Contribution Award. Then they were given it - again - at the 1983 Awards.
Other Acts have managed to get that Award more than once, by being given it when the Award changed its
name, (Lifetime Achievement, Icon, etc.). They are U2, Elton John and David Bowie etc. Queen really got
it a 2nd time, when The Brits also gave it the Group in 1990 and to Freddie Mercury in 1992 - mainly because
he'd died, a few Months earlier. Paul McCartney and John Lennon also got it, for their 'Solo' Careers...
The 1977 Best British Single was a joint Winner - 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale', (1967) and 'Bohemian Rhapsody', (1975).
Whilst it is true that ABBA could not have been Nominated when Brit Awards started again, (1982), it is fair to point
out that ABBA only ever got 1 Brit Nomination. This is because, I get tired of Fans of Little Mix, One Direction etc.
moaning that those Acts deserved more Brit Awards. I like to point out that neither Act did anywhere near as well
as ABBA, in the UK, or Global Charts, yet ABBA only ever had 1 Nomination and Zero Wins. In other words, Fans of
the lesser Acts should quit complaining and be thankful...
As for the 'Mamma Mia!' Films 'ruining' ABBA's reputation, I think that Benny & Bjorn now see ABBA as a way to
make more and more cash. They no longer care if people then think ABBA are rather silly or a joke. You can see
that by the way that Bjorn thinks the 'Mamma Mia!' Bistros, (or whatever), are a good idea. There is one in Sweden
and he hopes to open one in London in September and in Berlin in December. I've seen many people on The Internet
saying that the very idea is daft and that ABBA would be far better occupied in recording a New Album. However, I'm
sure that Bjorn cares not one tiny fraction, about what other people think of his 'Themed' eating establishments...
Now that Bjorn has said that The ABBAtars will just be real people on stage - 'Body Doubles' of ABBA - with only a
CGI image of ABBA's heads projected onto their heads, the idea of that has gone down even more in my mind. It
sounds stupid, feeble, risky, laughable, cheap and garbage. Still, I'm sure that ABBA will press on with it all - no
matter what warnings they get. They know best. (LOL!).
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