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Post by abbaprofessor on Aug 9, 2019 11:34:43 GMT
1977 for me. Rafael and Stefan have am excellent page with all the photo sessions. And those 1977 photo shoots are classic, when I think of Abba that is the image I have of them in my mind . Simply stunning.
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Post by Alan on Aug 9, 2019 19:43:44 GMT
Possibly 1976. Still young-looking but no naff costumes or bad hairstyles. The 1974 Waterloo costumes are iconic but some really awful stuff worn after then. By 1976 their image was toned down. Looked OK in most years but it ended at some point just before The Winner Takes It All video, and didn’t return until The Day Before You Came.
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Post by angela on Aug 14, 2019 6:05:41 GMT
For me it would be 1976 until 1981, Their 1977 tour costumes are one of my favourites and the cat costumes and the blue costumes from 1976.
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Post by Michal on Aug 14, 2019 9:57:50 GMT
1977 for me as well. As far as I know, Frida thinks the same. The 1977 tour was great.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Aug 14, 2019 11:52:08 GMT
Frida thinks the same ? Please tell more I have never heard about that.
Also, in 1977 they filmed the clips of Eagle and The name of the game in The movie. Those clips are rarely spoken of but the group look incredibly good in them and that is why I enjoy the clips. ( The clips are IMO the best things in The Movie ). The moments in TNOTG where Frida laughs make me feel good. Her laughter comes from the heart. When she embraces the guy ? and when they play cards Frida points at the cards ? and starts laughng.
It may be one of the reasons they looked so good in 77 was that Greatest hits was the biggest selling album of 76 in the UK and Australia. The success gave them confidence and they do look confident and relaxed in the 77 photos .
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Post by matt on Aug 14, 2019 18:13:13 GMT
Classic ABBA image for me is from summer 1976 around the time of the ABBA-Dabba-Dooo!!! special through to beginning of 1978 before Frida got one of her ill-advised perms. She looked great during summer of 1975 with the short bob cut though and during the Summer Night City video.
The contrast between this and ABBA around 1980/1981 is startling. The perms aged them about 10 years.
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Post by gazman on Aug 14, 2019 20:04:37 GMT
For me, it is 1975 - around the 'cat costume' times.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 11:37:21 GMT
I disagree as I think Agnetha still looks beautiful in the videos for TWTIA and OOU. Albeit, in a tragic and vulnerable way especially her very sad and pained expressions. The promo clips for these songs signified a change in ABBA's style, music and fashion. The glamour had gone and was replaced by a new ABBA stripped of all pretence. Raw angst and melancholy were more prevalent within the latter hits. I have to admit, Frida's perm was a bit dodgy but not too bad. However, both A&F looked stunning in the promo clip for the TDBYC. ABBA had an uncanny ability in re-inventing themselves prior to the launch of each new album. People forget this and think only Madonna and Michael Jackson possessed this ability.
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Post by josef on Aug 15, 2019 18:55:39 GMT
For me, they looked great during certain photoshoots, which of course could be during any year. But it's 1977 without a question. Their zenith.
I liked how Agnetha and Frida looked in the ABBA The Movie promo poster- Frida, eyes closed in ecstacy, Agnetha looking up with a somewhat daring, to me highly sexual, look in her eyes.
I despaired when Agnetha and Frida got their mumsy perms and started wearing boring, drab clothing. They were still so young!
As for Björn and Benny, I rarely took notice of what they looked like/were wearing. Occasionally they looked cool and stylish, but they mostly looked like well, I don't know...a couple of janitors who had wandered onstage by accident? 😆
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 12:35:55 GMT
With regards to my earlier post, in the promo clips for KMKY, "Eagle" and GGG, Agnetha and Frida both looked simply gorgeous. After Frida ditched her perm for a trendier image, she did, indeed look stunning and I think the short hairstyle suited her especially so when all four appeared on the Late Late Breakfast Show with Noel Edmonds. The only time the group dressed glamourously was at the launch of the compilation double album, "The Singles" ( The First Ten Years ) on that photo shoot. I read somewhere that dressed like that ABBA were enjoying at night at the opera! The sarcastic comments we have had to put with from journalists over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 22:05:27 GMT
I liked how they looked in 1976 & 1977.
ABBA themselves think that they looked 'best' in 1979. Which is why the 'Digital ABBA Copies' - AKA The ABBAtars - are based on how the Group looked in 1979.
We should be able to see this for ourselves. Even if The ABBAtars 'Project' does not go ahead, they are being used in at least 1 ABBA Video...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 18:42:57 GMT
Objectively, 1977.
Personally, 'peak ABBA' in the looks department would have been the appearance on the Mike Yarwood Christmas Show in December 1978, my first Christmas as an ABBA fan - and me just a boy with an eminently turnable head. Blimey O'Reilly.
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Post by Michal on Aug 20, 2019 11:11:40 GMT
Frida thinks the same ? Please tell more I have never heard about that. I can't remember the source but she said (probably in one of the books I read) that she thinks she looked her best in 1977.
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Post by Michal on Aug 20, 2019 11:14:16 GMT
I found it - it's in The Official Photo Book, pg. 263
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 11:56:24 GMT
After viewing ABBA's appearance on the "The Mike Yarwood Show" only recently on Youtube and watching their stunning performances (although mimed) of IIWFTN and TYFTM, I surmise both A&F were absolutely beautiful especially wearing those glittery jumpsuits. Although this was filmed in 1978, it seems like only yesterday.
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Post by Alan on Aug 20, 2019 21:40:14 GMT
What’s really interesting about the Mike Yarwood appearance, @edmfio76, is that it was filmed just a couple of weeks before Agnetha and Björn separated. I think they filmed it on 10 December and it was shown on Christmas Day.
I think the story is that they separated on Christmas night, just as the Mike Yarwood show was being transmitted. In all likelihood, the decision had already been taken so Christmas Day together was purely for the sake of the children.
There really is nothing in that Mike Yarwood appearance to give away that anything is wrong. Both of them seem very calm and relaxed. It’s likely even then that the decision had been taken, meaning the pressure was off, but you’d expect to see some kind of indication. To me, the One Man One Woman video from earlier in the year is more of a giveaway. I can see the strain on their faces in that.
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Post by josef on Aug 20, 2019 21:56:54 GMT
Yes, they were consummate professionals in that respect.
I remember seeing an interview with all four by Noel Edmonds and the tension between Frida and Benny was noticeable. Agnetha was delightful, Frida self-deprecating and rather shy and Björn as cagey as ever. I remember Frida paid the guys a compliment and Benny pulled her up saying she'd never said that before. I thought that was really mean of him. After all, she'd sang the bloody songs and even cried at the beauty of Dancing Queen.
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Post by Michal on Aug 21, 2019 6:58:25 GMT
josef, you're right, the tension during the Noel Edmonds interview is palpable. I feel a bit uneasy when watching it even today. And Noel Edmonds himself doesn't add much to the atmosphere as it seems he clearly prefers Agnetha to Frida (I remember how he welcomed the group, kissing Agnetha and just shaking hands with Frida, who seems to be a bit taken aback.) By the way, I think that Agnetha's and Björn's divorce must have been a bit easier to handle (even if there were the children involved), as both of them agreed to separate. In Frida's and Benny's case it was different as Benny left her for another woman… It must have been hard for Frida. That's maybe one of the reasons why the group outlasted the first divorce but didn't go on much longer after the second.
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Post by Alan on Aug 21, 2019 12:39:41 GMT
There was mutual attraction between Noel and Agnetha, Michal, notice the way she looks at him! It’s not believed to have gone anywhere, but she was back on his show within a year to promote a solo single. A bit like Nick Ross on Breakfast Time, some interviewers were a bit unprofessional. Mike Smith joked that Nick had been “sent for a cold shower” after interviewing Agnetha and making it rather obvious he fancied her.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Aug 21, 2019 12:59:05 GMT
Not only did Benny leave her but the new woman got pregnant right away. Agnetha said some years ago There was a certain atmosphere in the studio when recording The Visitors but we never mentioned it. Also, sometime in 81 Frida appearently had discussed leaving Abba with Stig Anderson. Because she started recording her solo album in February 82 would not be surprised if she was given the opportunity as a deal in staying in the group.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 14:58:16 GMT
Because she started recording her solo album in February 82 would not be surprised if she was given the opportunity as a deal in staying in the group. I'd like to think she recognised that leaving the band would have risked diluting the impact of her perfect two-fingered salute - 'I Know There's Something Going On'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 16:58:53 GMT
I can remember watching "The Late Late Breakfast Show" with Noel Edmonds ( deal/or no deal ) with ABBA as special guests. Although he clearly was taken in with Agnetha, out of politeness he should have kissed both the girls. There was tension indeed within the group especially when he asked them certain questions. After reading "Bright Lights Dark Shadows" by Carl Magnus Palm ( an ABBA expert ) there were moments when I wondered if Bjorn and Benny were a little too hard on Agnetha and Frida at times and indeed pushed them to the limit. It was rather unfair of Benny to have mentioned in a recent interview that he actually thought that Karen Glenmark was a better vocalist than either Frida or Agnetha. To be honest I was taken aback with this quote. Both Agnetha and Frida were the better singers, in my opinion.
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Post by josef on Aug 21, 2019 17:12:51 GMT
Whatever the tension between them, I guess it's all water under the bridge now and they clearly all hold each other in high regard and affection (I hope). Despite difficult times, I thought the group looked quite good during the Edmonds interview. Agnetha looked years younger having ditched the perm- she looked like a young girl. I hated her flirting with Noel Edmonds though, I found it cringey. Plus, I noticed the slight towards Frida which I felt was unprofessional and really rather rude. Frida looked heaps better than she'd appeared in the One of Us video and seemed to be regaining her sparkle more and more. Even BennyBjörn looked smart and trim.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 22, 2019 12:15:50 GMT
Looking at that TV appearance again, there's a very slight pull-back by Frida when the greetings happen: I don't think she was overly keen to kiss him. Given what he's morphed into over the years, I can only think that Agnetha had a lucky escape when their flirtation went nowhere.
By the way, I don' think this episode was the first time that Benny was publicly mean to Frida. There's that Spanish TV show where they have to describe each other as animals and Benny calls Frida a snake. The blow lands for the briefest of seconds, registers fleetingly with Frida, who gamely nudges him in a jokey oh-you-are-awful way and carries on with good natured professionalism. The sniping during this Late Late Breakfast Show appearance is a bit more brutal. Frida is clearly taken aback and seems upset.
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Post by Alan on Aug 22, 2019 12:50:18 GMT
I’ve just watched it again as well. It’s a really odd interview. I don’t get why Noel directs the beard question at Benny. The clip they showed before then had Björn beardless so it was more a question for him (though still a dull one).
I always think it’s Benny that gives the game away about the songs being chosen for them beforehand (as he can usually be relied upon to be the grumpy one) but it’s Björn. And Noel saying “you are getting old!” to Frida after her earlier comment is a bit insensitive and completely uncalled for.
ABBA were never good at being interviewed. The Swedish seriousness is one thing, but idiot interviewers like Noel Edmonds really don’t help.
There is a sense from watching this that ABBA needed putting out of their misery (which is indeed what happened shortly after).
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 22, 2019 13:02:01 GMT
There is a sense from watching this that ABBA needed putting out of their misery (which is indeed what happened shortly after). Despite their onscreen professionalism and the determined caginess in (English) interviews, I think that it would be unrealistic to imagine that things weren't at least sometimes tense behind the scenes. Am I the only one to notice that, during the make-up room scenes in Somewhere In The Crowd There's You, not a single word passes between Agnetha and Frida? That silence seems endless onscreen. Anyway, I have veered way off topic. I think that, physically, 1977 is ABBA's best year, lookswise. I don't like the costumes from any of the tours, if I'm totally honest. In terms of preference, I'd rank them 1977 > 1979 > 1975. IMO, their best stage costumes were the slinky black outfits they wore during the Japan/Mike Yarwood/UNICEF/Switzerland performances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 13:57:18 GMT
Wouldn't it be great if that dreadful 'Late, Late Breakfast Show' interview hadn't been their swansong so we didn't have to keep torturing ourselves with it?! Quite horrible, on very count. It has that 'ill-conceived school reunion' feel where everyone turns up, realises it wasn't such a good idea after all, just feels massively awkward and immediately starts thinking of a good excuse to leave early.
SO...where are we to find just a little light relief in it? For me (as this thread is about looks), I'd say it's in Frida's appearance. The hair/make-up give her a real 'woman not to be trifled with' persona. In fact, she looks like she's about to audition for a role in 'Blake's Seven' - and not as one of the galactic good guys, either. Great stuff! It certainly helped keep NE at bay.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Aug 22, 2019 15:40:32 GMT
What has disturbed me on Abba discussiion forums is that it seems many adult people worship Abba like kids. It seems there is no psychological thinking allowed. It has been said over and over again the girls were very different persons without much in common except their profession. They were not friends, not enemies, just two different sort of people who happened to share the same work place for 10 years.
It is also disturbing how people want to buy this image of two happy couples with no problems in the world. And always when we get a glimpse of the dirt behind the scenes these fans see if as disrespectful if its discussed.
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Post by josef on Aug 22, 2019 16:32:04 GMT
I've watched that Edmonds interview again. I don't think Frida is bothered in the slightest that Edmonds didn't reach for a kiss (she should consider herself lucky). The jokes/banter seems light-hearted enough at times. ABBA were good sports, I don't think they took themselves too seriously. The treat at the end was hearing Agnetha sing live so sweetly but I do think they could have chosen a different song that featured joint lead vocals.
As for fans being like children.. well, I can't speak for others but I think it's true of any extremely popular artist that they attract fans who adore them to distraction and can't stand any criticism. I'm not one of them. However, it depends on how it's done. Mud-raking benefits no one- what's done is done. Besides, everyone's entitled to a private life. Besides, it's no one's business, even if most of us have an opinion. I also feel Agnetha and Frida WERE friends. There are different kinds/levels of. Besides, if they weren't back then they sure are now, otherwise why vacation together and reminisce?
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 22, 2019 19:52:45 GMT
What has disturbed me on Abba discussiion forums is that it seems many adult people worship Abba like kids. It seems there is no psychological thinking allowed. It has been said over and over again the girls were very different persons without much in common except their profession. They were not friends, not enemies, just two different sort of people who happened to share the same work place for 10 years. It is also disturbing how people want to buy this image of two happy couples with no problems in the world. And always when we get a glimpse of the dirt behind the scenes these fans see if as disrespectful if its discussed. 100%. The canonisation of idols strips them of their humanity. There's always the risk that conjecture will be treated as fact and that unfair judgements will be made, but a little respectful dissection is healthy.
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