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Post by abbaprofessor on Aug 26, 2019 16:18:11 GMT
In 1982 they released this double album which as far as I know spent nine weeks in the Uk Top 3 including the whole of December 82 that is the Christmas market period. How much did it sell ? Different sources give the figures 300 000 , 500 000 and 600 000 copies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:13:33 GMT
I study UK Album Sales very carefully.
I'd say that 'The Singles - The First Ten Years' sold around 650,000 in the UK.
It had around 250,000 UK Advance Orders when it came out.
Although it was only No.1 for 1 Week, in the British Market Research Bureau Chart, (BMRB - Official UK Chart), it was No.1 for 3 Weeks, in both the 'New Musical Express' Chart and the 'Melody Maker' Chart. Both of which used different Shops, to compile the Charts, than BMRB - and different Shops to each other...
NOTE -- If you count published 'Melody Maker' Charts, 'The Singles' was No.1 for 3 Weeks in that Chart. However, they missed out the Chart of W/E 1st January 1983, as they were on Holiday. If you count that Chart, then the ABBA Album was No.1 for 4 Weeks. The longer 'Run's', at No.1, in 'Melody Maker' and 'New Musical Express', were an improvement on its 1 No.1 Week in BMRB - The Official UK Charts, at that time. This can be seen to be the 'counter-balance', to what happened with 'The Visitors', a Year earlier. That spent 3 Weeks at No.1 in BMRB, but only 1 Week at No.1 in 'New Musical Express', and in 'Melody Maker' it stalled at No.2.
'The Singles' did well to sell 650,000, as the UK had already bought a lot of the 23 Tracks on Singles Disk, and on Studio Albums. Plus big Sales of many of the Tracks on 'Greatest Hits', (1976), which had around 2,600,000 UK Sales, and 'Greatest Hits Vol. 2', (1979), which had 1,200,000 UK Sales...
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Post by gazman on Aug 29, 2019 15:15:00 GMT
I'm glad you mentioned this 2LP set - I have fond memories of it. I have the CD version (Polydor) which came from Germany, c.1985 I think - quite difficult to find nowadays.
I know that the tracklisting for any originally-released compilation is quite likely to mirror Gold/More Gold - but I do wish the 3 original 'official' ABBA compilations prior to Gold could be re-released on LP and CD, for those of us who love the memory these evoke. The Beatles have done it for their fans.... I know some people might think it is rather pointless, but my memories are important to me..... surely there is a niche market?
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Post by Alan on Aug 29, 2019 19:53:17 GMT
^^ I’ve got CD versions of all three. In 2006, they re-released the 1976 Norwegian reissue of Greatest Hits on “mini-vinyl” CD. It used the Scandinavian cartoon artwork and had Fernando at the start of the album. I’ve also got a US Atlantic CD issue. Slightly different running order and excludes Hasta Mañana, but the park bench artwork is intact (the black panel on the right-hand side of the front sleeve artwork does not include track titles, but otherwise apes the vinyl sleeve).
That’s the problem with the first Greatest Hits, there are so many different versions of it (plus the two different “Best of” compilations issued around the same time to certain markets). Greatest Hits Vol 2 and The Singles would be easier to re-issue as there is generally just the one version of each.
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Post by madonnabba on Aug 29, 2019 23:54:20 GMT
I was amazed at the time doing so well considering the singles flopping and it being another greatest hits compilation with the title hinting at more singles to come....the first ten years. We never did get the next ten years. The cover reminded me of Dynasty/Dallas. The first Greatest hits was a fab cover. More than could be said for the Best Of Abba. That cover made them look like a folk band...very twee and old beyond their years. The title was probably more accurate..... best of ....as most of the songs were minor hits in certain territories. USA Atlantic probably did not include the song titles on the front for that very reason and what were they thinking leaving off Hasta Manana when Pat Boone merited it good enough to be a b side on the massive stateside hot You light up my life? Could it be the b side helped that song do so well? Would not be the first time... think Boney M and Brown girl in the ring in the UK. And Gloria Gaynor I will survive. Was supposed to be the b side to Substitute originally a hit in the Uk a year earlier for all female band Clout.
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Post by Alan on Aug 30, 2019 7:58:37 GMT
^^ It was only the 1980s CD issue that didn’t include the track titles on the front. The original vinyl issues in the US had the full Side 1/Side 2 tracklisting on the front, similar to the original UK issue before it was altered.
Until just now, I had no idea that the two “Best of” compilations have the same running order. The German Polydor one would have won out, because it uses an alternate photo of ABBA in their Waterloo costumes, but sadly the artwork is otherwise hideous (as it often was on West German single releases). The Australia/NZ RCA version has those odd photos of ABBA in more period clothes, but the artwork is otherwise nicer.
Both Best of’s initially had 12 tracks - no Another Town, Another Train or He Is Your Brother - though Fernando was added to the Polydor one as the opening track. In the countries these compilations were released in, the Ring Ring album had been issued. The two main markets of the official Greatest Hits album - the UK and US - did not get the Ring Ring album in the 1970s, so those two additional tracks were welcome. Fernando never appeared on Australia/NZ’s version, but it was added to Arrival instead.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Sept 17, 2019 16:18:25 GMT
Madonnaabba, I have also always found it strange how the album did so well in the Uk when the 82 singles flopped there. One would think the album would had the same fate. Head over heels was not included despite being a single. Yes, already at that time it was convinient to leave out the flops...
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Post by Alan on Sept 17, 2019 16:42:40 GMT
^^ They also left out Honey Honey and Eagle, and also the “unofficial” single (ie. not released as such by Polar) Lay All Your Love On Me. Constraints of vinyl meant they had to leave some out or risk not getting a decent cut.
The Singles was only UK number one for a week, I think, which pales against all of their other UK number one albums. Still, not bad. Greatest hits albums aren’t necessarily big sellers, it all depends on how popular the act is at the time.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Sept 17, 2019 23:28:16 GMT
I would love to see 'The Singles: The First Ten Years' re-issued with an updated and expanded tracklist.
CD 1
1. People Need Love 2. He Is Your Brother 3. Ring Ring 4. Love Isn't Easy (But It Sure Is Hard Enough) 5. Waterloo 6. Hasta Manana 7. Honey, Honey 8. Mamma Mia 9. SOS 10. I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do 11. So Long 12. Dancing Queen 13. Money, Money, Money 14. Knowing Me, Knowing You 15. Fernando 16. Take A Chance On Me 17. The Name Of The Game 18. Eagle 19. Thank You For The Music 20. One Man, One Woman 21. Summer Night City
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1. Angeleyes 2. Voulez Vous 3. Chiquitita 4. Does Your Mother Know 5. I Have A Dream 6. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) 7. Super Trouper 8. Lay All Your Love On Me 9. The Winner Takes It All 10. Happy New Year 11. When All Is Said And Done 12. Head Over Heels 13. One of Us 14. Slipping Through My Fingers 15. The Visitors 16. Under Attack 17. The Day Before You Came 18. You Owe Me One 19. Cassandra 20. I Am The City 21. Just Like That (Saxophone Version)
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Post by abbaprofessor on Sept 18, 2019 11:50:15 GMT
Yes, the Singles was number one for only one week but as far as I know it cost the double of what a studio album did. It managed to sell 600, 000 copies in the Uk despite being so expensive so it does not pale in comparison against their other number one albums really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 11:59:43 GMT
There was more than one UK Chart in 1982. The 'Official' one was BMRB, (British Market Research Bureau). 'The Singles' was 'only' No.1 for 1 Week in that Chart. However, it was No.1 for 3 Weeks in New Musical Express and 4 Weeks in Melody Maker'.
As several of the Tracks on it had already been huge on 2 previous ABBA 'Hits' Albums, it did very well to reach No.1 in any UK Chart. Many Tracks had also been huge on ABBA Studio Albums. Also, 19 of its 23 Tracks, had been UK Top 10 Singles.
Most Acts would not have been able to get anywhere near No.1 with 'The Singles', under those circumstances, but ABBA could...
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Post by Alan on Sept 18, 2019 20:29:52 GMT
Yes, the Singles was number one for only one week but as far as I know it cost the double of what a studio album did. It managed to sell 600, 000 copies in the Uk despite being so expensive so it does not pale in comparison against their other number one albums really. Not necessarily double the price. I managed to find one on eBay that appeared to have an original price on it in the photo, and it showed £5.49. That might have been a later price though, not a new release one. Mine was a birthday present so no price label on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 0:12:34 GMT
If 'The Singles' had sold 600,000 in the USA, the RIAA, (Recording Industry Association of America), would count it as 1,200,000 Sales. They regard Double Albums as 2 Single Albums and calculate their Sales that way. The more Disks an Album has, the more the RIAA multiply its Sales. RIAA don't compile the USA Charts. They just work out how many Sales Singles, Albums, and DVD's have been sold there. Then they award them Silver, Gold or Platinum Disks. (The same function, the The BPI, (British Phonographic Industry), has in the UK).
The USA Charts are compiled by SoundScan, but they don't add in all USA Sales. For example, no Mail Order Record Club Albums are added in by SoundScan. No 'ABBA Gold' Sales, from the BMG American Record Club, were counted by Soundscan. 'ABBA Gold' sold 884,000 copies via BMG, between January 1993 and February 2003. BMG has now closed down. I read, the other day, that Universal now say that 'Gold' has sold over 8,900,000 in the USA. It 'only' has 6 Platinum Awards off the RIAA. (For 6 Million US Sales). It got its 6th, on 25th June 2002. It has been selling steadily there, since then - over 17 more Years. So it is not hard to believe that it has since sold nearly 3 Million more US copies.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Sept 20, 2019 13:21:16 GMT
How much did an album / cassette cost in the UK in 82 ?
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Post by Alan on Sept 20, 2019 16:56:05 GMT
Probably about £4 for a single album at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 16:56:01 GMT
Adam, I think your tracklisting for a revised and expanded edition of " ABBA The Singles " is brilliant and one I would love to own.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Sept 21, 2019 21:50:13 GMT
Adam, I think your tracklisting for a revised and expanded edition of " ABBA The Singles " is brilliant and one I would love to own. 8th November 2017 marked 35 years since the release of 'The Singles: The First Ten Years' and I would love a Deluxe style re-issue of it a DVD would also be nice featuring the 1982 Show Express performances of 'The Day Before You Came', 'Cassandra' & 'Under Attack', the cover of the album is beautiful and it deserves a proper expanded and updated re-issue.
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Post by Alan on Sept 22, 2019 6:24:39 GMT
An expanded version of The Singles has already been done three times. First as the first three discs of the Thank You For The Music set in 1994, secondly as The Definitive Collection in 2001, and later as The Essential Collection.
Your list is flawed for several reasons. Firstly, I’ve done a playlist of both of those lists. The first is fine as it comes to 1 hour 15 minutes. The second, however, comes to 1 hour 34 minutes so is about 15 minutes too long for a CD (which is maximum of about 79 minutes).
Secondly, the last four tracks were not singles so shouldn’t be included on an album called “The Singles” which is meant to be just that. Removing those four would also reduce the playing time to 1 hour 16 minutes, sufficient for one CD.
Thirdly, Just Like That is pure fantasy as it hasn’t been released.
Lastly, they were unable to get the rights for the Show Express stuff, hence why they don’t appear on The Visitors deluxe edition.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 16:35:46 GMT
Adam, I can remember when I bought a copy of the double LP " The Singles " ( The First Ten Years ) in 1982. I was very impressed with it especially the photograph of the band on the front cover and I still own it. One of my treasured possessions. The record topped the album charts back then and was a predecessor to " Gold " ( Greatest Hits ) at that time.
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Post by abbaprofessor on Oct 1, 2019 15:45:43 GMT
The fact The Singles sold 650 000 copies in the UK was an enormous achievement considering it had everything against it. 1. It was more expensive than regular albums. For the average record buyer the price does matter. 2. Of the 23 songs 16 had already been on the big sellers Greatest hits and Greatest hits vol 2. Of the remaining 7 only 5 had been hits. The winner takes it all, Suoer Trouper, One of us, Voulez vous and I have a dream . 3. The addition of two brand new singles did not boost the sales while reaching only numbers 32 and 26.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 16:32:41 GMT
Adam, your preferred choice of tracklist for The Singles ( The First Ten Years ) has inspired me to compile my preferred choice of tracklist for ABBA Gold ( omitting Greatest Hits )
Voulez-Vous Lay All Your Love On Me Eagle ( edit ) Gimme Gimme Gimme ( A Man After Midnight ) Our Last Summer The Day Before You Came Cassandra One Of Us Knowing Me Knowing You The Winner Takes It All The Name Of The Game SOS When I Kissed The Teacher Fernando Chiquitita I Do I Do I Do I Do I Do Dancing Queen Mamma Mia Waterloo
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