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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 5, 2021 8:41:01 GMT
ABBA GOLD -- As many here know, 'ABBA Gold' will reach, 1000 UK Chart Weeks, on Friday 2nd July. The Chart Dated W/E 8th July. I will ensure that the UK Charts Company do an Article on this, on their Site. After all - they did one in August 2019, when it reached 900 Chart Weeks. However, Queen have noticed what ABBA are about to achieve. They have actually made plans, to try to take away ABBA's 'Thunder'. On July 2nd, Queen are Releasing 'Greatest Hits' again - in different Formats. They are also promising their Fans, 'Something Else'. (Some kind of surprise). How do I know, that they are trying, to take attention, away from ABBA's 1000 Chart Weeks? The Answer - All of this is being done to 'Celebrate' the 40th Anniversary of 'Greatest Hits'. Except that 'Greatest Hits' does not reach its 40th Anniversary, until October 26th! It was Released on Monday October 26th 1981. The only reason for Queen, 'Celebrating' its 40th Anniversary, on Friday July 2nd, is because 'ABBA Gold' reaches 1000 Chart Weeks, on that very day! It is obvious that Queen want to take attention away from ABBA, on July 2nd. ABBA never, ever try to do that to Queen. But, Queen do it to ABBA.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jun 5, 2021 10:36:01 GMT
Well, for Queen fans (I have never been one), it'll probably be exciting if there really is something new included. Unless Queen's 'something else' somehow manages to remove ABBA Gold from the chart entirely, ABBA will still have notched up their 1,000th week on the album chart with Gold. It's an achievement that stands on its own two feet regardless of any petty attempts to upstage ABBA.
If ABBA decide to add ISHFIY and DSMD to Gold later in the year (I really hope they don't... just yet), it's likely to take the set back to No.1.
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Post by madonnabba on Jun 13, 2021 1:09:01 GMT
Queen Greatest Hits has only outsold Abba Gold as its vinyl pre cd sales are added in. Imagine if Abba added in their first Greatest Hits vinyl sales of 2. 5 million to the 5.7 million Gold sales. Gold did not exist in vinyl before 1992. Queen Greatest Hits did. And when the Cd era arrived a lot if not all Queen fans would have bought the Cd version. I love a lot of the Queen music from the 70s to mid 80s but I think it's worth remembering that the sales figures do not prove more people bought Queen GH , just that more people probably have a vinyl as well as cd copy or replaced their vinyl with a cd copy. I remember reading the Gold is the largest selling Cd ever, getting most of its sales from Cd whereas Queen has a sizeable vinyl contribution maybe close to 1.5 million given its success in vinyl in the early 80s.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 13, 2021 4:12:16 GMT
Madonnabba -- It was on 1st October 2012, that The Official UK Charts Company, announced that 'ABBA Gold', was the UK's 'Biggest Selling CD'. It had sold 4 Million UK CD's, to that point. Here is the BBC's announcement of that 'ABBA Gold' Feat: link
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Post by justabba on Jun 14, 2021 6:22:05 GMT
Well, for Queen fans (I have never been one), it'll probably be exciting if there really is something new included. Unless Queen's 'something else' somehow manages to remove ABBA Gold from the chart entirely, ABBA will still have notched up their 1,000th week on the album chart with Gold. It's an achievement that stands on its own two feet regardless of any petty attempts to upstage ABBA. If ABBA decide to add ISHFIY and DSMD to Gold later in the year (I really hope they don't... just yet), it's likely to take the set back to No.1. If universal go down that path, I would prefer the scenario Graham Norton presented to bjorn in interview in September 2019. He said universal had told him that the (then) 2 new songs would be added to a new abba platinum compilation. At least this way they have a chance at a UK 10th number one album....
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 14, 2021 14:39:37 GMT
Justin -- We'll see if ABBA can have their 10th UK No.1 Album, in 2021 - 2022. Incredibly, it would only be their 5th No.1 Album, in Australia. They have also had 4 No.1 Albums, in New Zealand. That includes 'Number Ones', in 2006 - 3 Weeks at No.1. I believe that N.Z. was the only Country, to put that at No.1. A 2021 or 2022 No.1 Album, would also be their 10th No.1 in Sweden, 8th in Germany and The Netherlands, and so on. ('The Best Of ABBA' was a big No.1 Album, in The Netherlands, but that does not count, as it had to be put in a Compilation Charts, at that time. It was not allowed, into the main Netherlands Chart. It would have been, a No.1 Album, in the Main Chart, had it been let in. It was No.1, in the Compilation Chart, for 21 Weeks!).
Of course, I want - more than anything, (at present) - for ABBA to come back, and have a huge No.1 Album. Be it with another Compilation, or a Studio Album. But, I'm a 'Realist', and that is why, I often come up with, 'Negative Opinions', that make it seem like, I'm trying to spoil all of the 'Fun', for ABBA Fans. I'm really not trying to spoil anything. I'm just urging Fans to be very cautious.
Regarding 'ABBA Gold'. We can see how, the various 'Mamma Mia!' Stage, and Film 'Projects', affected it, in the UK. (I use the UK, as I live there, and that has the Charts, that I 'Focus' on the most).
A). In 1999, when the 'Mamma Mia!' Stage Show, opened in London, it affected 'ABBA Gold' like this.
3 'Runs' at No.1, and many Months back in the Top 10 -- The 3 No.1 'Runs' -- 1 - 2 - 2 = 5 Weeks at No.1.
B). In 2008, when the 1st 'Mamma Mia!' Film, was Released:
'ABBA Gold' returned to No.1, for 2 Weeks. Giving it 8 Weeks at No.1 -- 1992 - 1, 1999 - 5, 2008 - 2
C). In 2018, when the 2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Film, was Released:
'ABBA Gold' climbed back into the Top 10. It Peaked at No.6, and had 3 Top 10 Weeks. Making 61 Top 10 Weeks, over-all. It is 2nd only to, 'The Singles 1969-1973', by The Carpenters, as regards UK Top 10 Weeks, by a Male/Female Artist Album. That has 64 Top 10 Weeks. 'ABBA Gold' can beat that, but it will never beat its No.1 Weeks - 17!
D). So, as you can see, each 'Mamma Mia!' 'Project', had a smaller impact, on 'ABBA Gold', than the last. We will see, if adding some New Songs, can have a bigger impact on it, than the No.6 Position, that the 2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Film had. (That's if Universal, decide to 'enhance' 'ABBA Gold', with some New Songs.
E). None of the 19 'Gold' Songs, need to be removed. The Official Charts Company, will allow, a 2nd Disk, to be added. It can have, as many, as 8 to 10 'Bonus' Tracks. They allowed, Lady GaGa, to add a 2nd Disk, to 'The Fame', in late 2009. It had 8 New Songs on it. She was still allowed, to call the 'Enhanced' 2 CD version, 'The Fame'. In 2010, the Rolling Stones, were allowed, to add a 'Bonus Disk', of 10 extra Tracks, to the Re-Issue, of their 1972, 'Exile On Main Street', Album. So, ABBA could add a 10 Track, 'Disk 2', to 'ABBA Gold'. The OCC would still let it count as 'ABBA Gold'.
F). A 2nd Disk, added to 'Gold', would solve the awkward problem, of ABBA 'only' having, 4 or 5 'New' Songs, if that is all they have. That leaves 5 or 6 other ABBA Songs, to go on Disk 2. Of course, they would come off 'More Gold'. Proper ABBA Hits. I'd suggest 'Summer Night City', as it was a World Hit. (Even though I've never been hugely keen on it). Plus, 'Ring Ring', 'I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do'. Also, 'Honey Honey', and 'The Day Before You Came'. If 6 Songs are needed - 'When All Is Said And Done'.
G). I suspect, that we may well, be getting, a 'New' ABBA Compilation. There are a few 'Clues'. I always - Daily - check the cost, of the 2008 9 CD 'The Albums', ABBA 'Set', on Amazon and HMV. A few Weeks ago, both Music Outlets/Retailers, suddenly dropped the Price, of 'The Albums', from around £35 - £37, to £17.99. More or less Half Price. I thought, that the 'Price Drop', would last a couple of Days. It has not. It has lasted, (so far), for about a Month. I also like to see how 'ABBA Gold' is doing on Amazon - in their Top 100. it is usually always in that Top 100. (It is the Yellow/Gold Version that sells the most on Amazon.uk. They usually Sell it for £5). About 10 Days ago, they suddenly ceased Selling it! You could still buy it, on Amazon.uk, but only via, 'Members of The Public'. Some of whom, are Selling it, for just £1.50! Then, (Yesterday), Amazon started Selling it, themselves again - for the usual £5. But, it not being in Stock, for 10 Days, has affected its Position, in the Amazon Sales Chart. It is no longer in the Top 100. It is currently No.537! So, something, seems to be happening - as if Amazon.uk and HMV, have been told, to expect, a New ABBA 'Hits' Album, before 2021 ends. Or - maybe - when 2022 starts.
H). I know, that some ABBA Fans, regard it as some kind of 'Heresy', or 'Outrage', for 'ABBA Gold', to have a 2nd Disk added. But, it is a far better solution, than 5 or 6 Tracks, being removed, from 'Gold', to make way for 5 or 6 'New' Songs. I'd rather, that 'Gold', had a 2nd Disk added, than any of the, current 19 'Gold' Tracks, being removed. At the end of the Day, ABBA Fans, have Zero say, in what happens to 'ABBA Gold'. I know, that some Fans, are saying, that they won't buy, a 2 Disk 'Gold'. But, it is not as if, it will Bankrupt them, for all Eternity! It will cost about £8 to £10. You only need to buy it once! Unlike, all of the previous, 'ABBA Gold's, you will actually, be getting some, 'New' Songs, this time. I'm going, to not, only buy it for myself, but for several Friends, too. It is not, as if ABBA, expect us all, to buy a copy, every Week - for the rest of our Lives. It will be a 'Fun' Release, and we should all join in with that 'Fun'. The World is, (often), a truly awful place. ABBA bring much joy to it, and make our Lives better. (I've been watching many ABBA Videos, on YouTube, lately. I cannot tell you, how 'High' I get, from them. It is like a beautiful, Musical 'Drug', that makes all of my fears, unhappiness, and worries, fade away. No other Music, does that to me. It is worth buying 'Gold' again, just to embrace, the enchantment, that it contains. That is what ABBA have given to us. It is Priceless).
I). Having said all that, we may not, be getting, a New ABBA Compilation, or an Enhanced 'ABBA Gold', at all! We may get an entire New Studio Album, or 4 or 5 'New' Songs, with no Album for them, to go on. We will see...
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Post by foreverfan on Jun 14, 2021 15:21:16 GMT
As always good thoughts..... A question or probably a dilemma.... if Gold is enhanced and a second disc added.. That would be classed as "Gold" again ..., and add to its impressive totals/facts/figures.. So would fans prefer (in the UK) a new album and potentially 10th number one or Gold continuing its great success.... and ABBA staying at 9 number ones...
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Post by gazman on Jun 14, 2021 15:54:23 GMT
I personally think the Queen re-release has nothing whatsoever to do with ABBA.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 14, 2021 16:15:35 GMT
Gazman -- So why, are they 'Celebrating' the 40th Anniversary, of 'Greatest Hits', in the same Week that 'Gold' reaches 1000 Weeks? The Queen Anniversary is on October 26th - not July. Quite a coincidence. A huge one. A lot of ABBA Fans dislike Queen, but they have sold, more UK Records than any other Group - except The Beatles. Hopefully, ABBA can have their 10th UK No.1 Album, either this Year, or next Year. After being on 9 UK No.1 Albums, since 1995, Queen - finally - got their 10th UK No.1 Album, last October. ABBA are still on 9. Queen are like Cliff Richard - very conscious, of where they stand, in UK Chart History. I'm 100% sure, that they are well aware, of the Chart Week, that 'Gold', reaches 1000 Weeks. All of a sudden, 'Greatest Hits' has its 40th Anniversary, that very same Week. (They know very well, that its Anniversary is 26th October). Both ABBA and Queen are on Universal. There are 52 Weeks in a Year. There was no reason - at all - for Queen to choose 'Gold's 1000th Chart Week, to 'Celebrate', the 40th Anniversary, of an Album, that was Released on Monday 26th October 1981. A gigantic 'coincidence'. (Not!).
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Post by gazman on Jun 16, 2021 11:26:36 GMT
I've no idea why Queen are re-releasing their Greatest Hits in that week, but how does that stop anyone remarking on ABBA's fantastic 1,000 week achievement with Gold? Maybe Queen has another release scheduled in the autumn and a summer release now is more suitable for this one?
A re-release of anything Queen has done isn't going to send ABBA Gold spiralling down and out of the charts.
There are ABBA fans who are not interested in Queen, and there are Queen fans who are not interested in ABBA. That's fine - they are two different groups with different origins and musical perspectives. For the record, I like both Queen and the Beatles, and have many of their CDs (including all the Beatles studio albums) - it's just that ABBA is more my passion.
I just don't think there is any link at all. I think it is pure coincidence.
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Post by Michal on Jun 17, 2021 15:55:48 GMT
I'm with gazman on this. Both bands are under Universal's control and it's unlikely they would try to overshadow one with the release of the other. Also, as was said, the re-release of Queen's Greatest Hits will have little (if any) effect on ABBA Gold's chart position. As far as I know, only the packaging of the album is different, there's nothing really new. Just another reissue, to keep the interest and the position of the best UK seller. Universal is doing the same for ABBA with the various reissues of ABBA Gold, isn't it? By the way, I am a fan of both bands too.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 17, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
I'm 100% aware, that the Queen Re-Issue will have Zero affect, on 'ABBA Gold' getting its 1000th UK Chart Week. By 'Steal ABBA's Thunder', I mean that ABBA will get a lot of Media attention on Friday July 2nd/Saturday July 3rd, due to 'Gold', being the 1st Album, since W/E 28th July 1956, to managed 1000 UK Chart Weeks. (Almost 65 Years). It should get a lot of Media attention. When it reached 900 UK Chart Weeks, in August 2019, it got a lot of attention.
Why would I think, that Queen's 'Greatest Hits', would affect the UK Chart placing of 'ABBA Gold', on July 2nd? Both Albums have 100 Chart Positions to 'play' in. They cannot affect each other at all.
I'm taking about UK Media attention. The Queen Album, will also get Media attention. There is Zero reason for its 40th Anniversary, to be 'Celebrated', on July 2nd. Its 40th Anniversary is October 26th. 'Gold' reaches 1000 Chart Weeks on July 2nd. However, if some ABBA Fans, think that there is no reason or 'coincidence', for it, then so be it. It is just a huge, gigantic, massive, coincidence.
I still try to work out, how 'Greatest Hits', has outsold 'ABBA Gold', in the UK. Yes, the Queen Album, has had over 626,000 UK Sales added in, from other Queen Compilations. But, in every UK Chart Statistic, 'ABBA Gold' has had a more impressive 'Run'. indeed, one of my Friends, has worked out, that 'ABBA Gold', has outsold Queen's 'Hits' Album, in the UK - as a stand-a-lone Album. But, this will never, ever, be acknowledged by The OCC, as they have allowed 'Greatest Hits', to have 626,000 Sales added in, from a 1994 Double Queen CD, (66,000), and a 2000 Triple Queen CD. (560,000). It is those 'Enhanced' Sales, that really cause, the Queen 'Hits' Album, to look like it has outsold 'Gold', by about 950,000 copies! It is really, nowhere near, that far ahead of 'ABBA Gold', which is on about 5,760,000, to 5,800,000 UK Sales - so far. The ABBA Compilation, adds to that UK Total, by about 100,000, every Year.
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Post by madonnabba on Jun 17, 2021 19:02:00 GMT
I suspect that Queen Greatest Hits also includes the vinyl sales pre Cd days. ABBA Gold did not exist pre Cd days. Queen Gh probably has about 1.5 million vinyl sales in the 6.5 million sales figure. Most Queen fans would have replaced their vinyl copies so there will be a lot of duplication of sales in that total. Allowing for a million people doing that would substantially decrease that total. If ABBA Gold had existed in the early 80s in vinyl ABBA would have shifted about 1 to 1.5 million in sales. Comparing both sets of figures is like comparing apples with pears.
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Post by Michal on Jun 21, 2021 19:39:01 GMT
I'm taking about UK Media attention. The Queen Album, will also get Media attention. There is Zero reason for its 40th Anniversary, to be 'Celebrated', on July 2nd. Its 40th Anniversary is October 26th. 'Gold' reaches 1000 Chart Weeks on July 2nd. However, if some ABBA Fans, think that there is no reason or 'coincidence', for it, then so be it. It is just a huge, gigantic, massive, coincidence. I would accept this theory if both bands were on different labels. However this way it doesn't make sense. Why on earth would Universal want to "steal" media attention from one of their most profitable artists?
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Post by foreverfan on Jun 23, 2021 9:09:29 GMT
It is a bit of a coincidence !! whatever way you look at it...Why would Universal do it !! That said.. which will create the most money.. records over the counter or a few columns in the news papers which sadly will be forgotten in the next day or so.. Alas two huge groups and Universal playing media games.... ABBA will get their day but Queen will get the next few weeks/months... Tide will turn again once the new stuff is out there....
Perhaps that's why !!! new stuff in October and if so Queen loose out.....This way both get the attention......
Do Universal know something we don't !!!!
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 2, 2021 8:29:04 GMT
Now this may have been discussed before, and was unsure of where to add post but hey.. Ok, is this a case of Wikipedia giving wrong information ? As Queen have already passed 1000 weeks as have Abba.. however the Official Charts company ( UK), is showing what we are all anticipating.....what to actually believe... Title/Artist/year of release/ Highest position/ WEEKS ON CHARTS.... Greatest Hits Queen 1981 1 1056* Gold: Greatest Hits ABBA 1992 1 1001* Legend Bob Marley and the Wailers 1984 1 983* Rumours Fleetwood Mac 1977 1 894* * still on UK top 75 Album charts .
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 2, 2021 16:48:44 GMT
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 2, 2021 17:08:53 GMT
Graham -- Pay Zero attention to what Wikipedia say. They add Weeks from 'The Platinum Collection', by Queen, to 'Greatest Hits' (One), by Queen. So, the 1981 1 Disk Album gets Weeks from the 2000 Triple Queen CD. It is wrong. The Single Disk Queen Album, from 1981, is on 952 UK Top 100 Weeks - the 3rd most ever. No Weeks, from 'The Platinum Collection', should be added in.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 6, 2021 11:07:15 GMT
Well, it looks like 'Greatest Hits' (One) by Queen, will jump from No.14 to no.1 on Friday. It is its 5th Week at No.1, and its 1st since W/E 5th December 1981. Just 2 weeks later, 'The Visitors', by ABBA, entered at No.1! The Queen Album was at No.2. It is the Queen Album's 1st Top 5 Week, since W/E 30th January 1982. It has spent 953 Weeks on the Chart, but this Week's No.1 Position, is only its 14th Week in the Top 5. 'ABBA Gold' was Top 5 for 29 Weeks. 'Greatest Hits', (ABBA), was Top 5 for 27 Weeks.
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 12, 2021 8:44:53 GMT
Well for all the hype and " Thoughts on whats right etc " Queens Greatest Hits jumped to number 2, apparently just around 270 sales behind the number 1 album, impressive, but not quite enough. It will probably slip down the charts this week, so has the album missed its chance to get back to number one, probably..... so far this year it has sold approx 105,800 and is currently 4th best selling UK album....impressive...
Ironically Gold jumped to 14 , its highest placing so far in 2021, with approx 3000 sales.... its 1001st week on the UK album charts... So far its sold approx 70,750 in 2021 on course to break last years total, and is currently the 19th best selling album of 2021 in the UK .. equally impressive really..
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