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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2022 17:07:57 GMT
For a bit of fun really, if you had to pick one track only that you think really should have been a single, what would it be? I know there are a few, but personally absolutely love Kisses Of Fire! Hit single written all over it!!
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 1, 2022 17:34:48 GMT
My go-to answer here has always been If It Wasn't For The Nights. I really feel like it's a number one that got away.
But I really think I should now nominate my favourite ABBA song instead: The Visitors. Ideally, it'd have been edited and slightly remixed for 7" and radio, with a thundering remix for 12". I think it would have made 1981 (well, early 1982) audiences really sit up and reappraise ABBA. I also think it might have better prepared the public for the unusual beauty of The Day Before You Came later in the year.
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 1, 2022 17:39:32 GMT
I love ifs buts and maybes..
It’s tough to pick “ Just One “... as so many deserved to be single in their own right.. I guess there’s at least one track from each album that could’ve been.....
If I have to pick that one track it’s going to have be........ Kisses Of Fire.... ( as well), one hellva track, perfect harmonies and a right belter, really should’ve been the A side, and could’ve been VV number one single, instead of a BSide number 4 ...
As said I won’t name the others here , unless the we can..lol... but we did miss out on quite a few, I try to be realistic, otherwise every track would’ve been a single, but seriously there are so many missed opportunities....alas....
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 1, 2022 17:41:32 GMT
Totally agree Tony, ... hinting to another one of my missed opportunities tracks...
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Post by gary on Jul 1, 2022 17:59:46 GMT
Eagle is the one for me. But IIWFTN and KOF are well up there.
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Post by richard on Jul 1, 2022 19:26:45 GMT
I would also choose either If It wasn't For The Nights (fading on the slow 'If it... wasn't... For the nights' to reduce the duration) or Kisses Of Fire - or both. And definitely The Visitors, my favourite ABBA track as well.
Wasn't IIWFTN intended as a single before they chose Chiquitita? I don't mind Chiquitita, but I prefer IIWFTN and KOF.
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Post by Michal on Jul 2, 2022 8:40:25 GMT
I don't understand the raving about If It Wasn't For The Nights. Good album track in my opinion but not a single material. Kisses Of Fire is another story though. What made them decide that Does Your Mother Know should be the A-side is beyond me, though I like the song.
The Visitors and Eagle are obvious single contenders, Hole In Your Soul too. When I Kissed The Teacher always seemed suitable for a single release too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 9:40:41 GMT
Great choice of The Visitors Hometime, have always liked it, Fantastic surprise it was chosen to be in the Voyage concert.
I love Chiquitita, always in my top 10, glad it was a single! Agree Michal, IIWFTN was never a favourite of mine, but grown to really like it.
Maybe we should add to this thread what should never have been a single?! Sorry to lovers of this song, but for me would have to be Head Over Heels, and don't get me started on the video lol!
Foreverfan, yes, each album has at least 2 potential single releases.
I wish WAISAD had been a single, I think that would have really helped keep momentum going in the UK.
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Post by joseph on Jul 2, 2022 12:12:05 GMT
Again, I'm probably in the minority here in that although I do like IIWFTN a lot I'm not sure it would be a great single choice. It's rather repetitive and shrill.
I loved Lovelight from the start but it's no match for Chiquitita. It's a fantastic B side, but that's it. Same with Kisses of Fire- I absolutely adore it but it's a wonderful B side.
My choice would probably be The Visitors. There are a few other contenders (As Good As New being one of them- what a joyous ride that one is) but The Visitors is pure class from start to finish. I never tire of it. Goosebumps, even after all these years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 12:38:14 GMT
" Kisses Of Fire " for definite. " If It Wasn't For The Nights " could have been a potential hit too. I would have liked " When I Kissed The Teacher " to have been released as a single in the UK. It is pure adorable pop at its best. Interesting to read of our different preferences to potential ABBA single choices which unfortunately never were.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 3, 2022 11:18:28 GMT
[...] Maybe we should add to this thread what should never have been a single?! Sorry to lovers of this song, but for me would have to be Head Over Heels, and don't get me started on the video lol! [...] I wish WAISAD had been a single, I think that would have really helped keep momentum going in the UK. Agreed re WAISAD. As for should never have been a single, I'm going to nominate Under Attack. True, that might have undermined the title of the album on which it first appeared, but I could live with that. That said, I'm curious to know whether ABBA mo-capped the song (and TKHLHC) during that five-week set-building project. I think the thump of a live band could give the song some much-needed oomph.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 14:09:49 GMT
I agree Tony, Under Attack was almost my first choice, Head Over Heels just beat it for me due to the video!!
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Post by Michal on Jul 3, 2022 16:53:18 GMT
For me, I Have A Dream should not have been a single. But I understand it's hard to justify the opinion, when it reached No.2 in the UK... The less controversial choice - Head Over Heels.
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Post by jj on Jul 3, 2022 17:56:43 GMT
Agreed re WAISAD. As for should never have been a single, I'm going to nominate Under Attack. True, that might have undermined the title of the album on which it first appeared, but I could live with that. The Singles: The First 10 Years?
Sorry, I must be having a senior moment. I'm completely confused.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 3, 2022 18:40:45 GMT
Sorry to confuse. What I mean is that if UA had not been a single, it would be the only non-single on The Singles. Not a big deal, really: I could have lived with it being a fun bonus track.
As for I Have A Dream, I'm surprised it took so long to get a mention. I'm fine with it as a single. But I do think they missed a trick by not preparing a snazzy mix of the live version. I think a live EP from the tour would have been a fantastic Christmas release.
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Post by richard on Jul 3, 2022 19:00:13 GMT
I wonder how big a sub-section it is of ABBA fans who don't go much on I Have A Dream. Of those who post more regularly on this forum, it seems most don't like the song much. Is it the lyrics? The tune? Frida's vocal? Everything? It's not a big favourite of mine, but I don't mind it. (Damning with faint praise? I don't mean it that way.) And obviously plenty did like it, at least back in the day.
Regarding Honey Honey, pleasant enough little tune, imo, but anyone who objects to the lyrics, as they perceive them, of either Angeleyes or Does Your Mother Know - and in another post elsewhere shows why they needn't - might examine the lyrics of HH: it's about a promiscuous stud, and the girl wants some of that - complete with Björn's heavy breathing. 😀 Honey Honey is the raunchier older sister of Andante Andante
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Post by jj on Jul 3, 2022 19:01:42 GMT
Sorry to confuse. What I mean is that if UA had not been a single, it would be the only non-single on The Singles.
Please don't apologise. I should have worked it out, silly old me. It's so obvious now. Sheesh.
I guess I would say Eagle was a missed opportunity.
And I agree UA was a mistake and shouldn't have been on that album either. Ending the whole thing on TDBYC would have been perfect.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 3, 2022 19:07:21 GMT
They could have used those spare minutes to include either Angeleyes, Lay All Your Love On Me or Head Over Heels - all omitted but (IMO) superior singles. Arguably, it could have had a different tracklist for several countries.
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Post by gary on Jul 3, 2022 20:41:53 GMT
Should not have been a single: So Long, Does Your Mother Know, Head Over Heels, The Day Before You Came, Under Attack, Just A Notion, Little Things.
OK, that’s more than one…
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Post by gary on Jul 4, 2022 13:40:59 GMT
I actually like TDBYC quite a lot, but it sounds much more like an album track than a single to me.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 4, 2022 14:15:04 GMT
It's beautiful. I have a fantasy version of The Visitors album (an iTunes playist, actually) where TDBYC replaces HOH and SILOC replaces TFTPOO. It's a more subdued album but, mah gawd, it's GORGEOUS. If we were somehow hearing the five officially released 1982 songs together for the first time, I wonder what we might have chosen as the single. (I know that omitting JLT is going to bring me grief! ) EDIT: I actually like HOH - I think the vocal arrangement is fantastic. I grew to really admire it recently when it was included on an 80s/eclectronic CD compilation. It just jumped out from the Style-Police-approved hits of the era - it sounded so fresh by comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 7:51:44 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for So Long, and Just A Notion has, for me anyway, just non stop feel good vibes! I prefer it to Just Like That!! (now hiding behind my sofa)!! Little Things, although will never be a favourite, is saved by the vocals. I appreciate The Day Before You Came, but do miss the classic ABBA vocals - I think I may also be in the minority who like I Am The City?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 8:16:59 GMT
How could I forget!!? Should have been a single: Happy New Year!! If only Bjorn could alter the '89 reference now, Agnetha and Frida could quickly add the new vocals, and it could be a hit every year!! More potential than Little Things! Any suggestions?? "what lies waiting down the line? I just know it will be fine"!!?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 10:11:51 GMT
My #choice Kisses of Fire instead of DYMK
Other "should have been singles" in UK Honey Honey Eagle WAISAD The Visitors. (I also think it should have been edited/re-mixed if a single)
Not a single: Under Attack and The Day Before You Came.the first because not very good. The second because its too album trackish.
If It Wasn't for the Night is ok but not single material. Too long and repetitive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 10:12:29 GMT
How could I forget!!? Should have been a single: Happy New Year!! If only Bjorn could alter the '89 reference now, Agnetha and Frida could quickly add the new vocals, and it could be a hit every year!! More potential than Little Things! Any suggestions?? "what lies waiting down the line? I just know it will be fine"!!? That 89 reference is irritating.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 12:15:22 GMT
" Happy New Year " is so beautiful. A definite contender as a potential single choice along with " If It Wasn't For The Nights ", " When I Kissed The Teacher ", " Kisses Of Fire ", " Eagle " and " When All Is Said And Done ". My choice of six.
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Post by richard on Jul 5, 2022 12:23:36 GMT
I would like ABBA to have had as a single a summer romance song - but not Our Last Summer because, for me, its melody lacks the poignancy and wistfulness I'm looking for. The melody of Happy New Year does have that poignancy and wistfulness for me; and if, in my fantasy, Björn could have rewritten OLS's lyrics to fit HNY's melody I think it would have worked great and, as a bonus, become more of an all-year-round song.
Oh, by the way, regarding songs that shouldn't have been a single, didn't Benny once say - I think quoted in a Mamma Mia!-related book - that he thought The Name Of The Game was perhaps a better recording than it was a song? Hope he's changed his mind!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 14:17:21 GMT
I recall Benny being dismissive of The Name of the Game saying it wasn't catchy.
On comparing The Day Before You Came vs Under Attack he said tge former was a better song but the latter a better recording.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 5, 2022 14:46:18 GMT
I think the mix on KOF is what lets it down for me. Agnetha's soft solo is too quiet and the transition to the chorus seems rushed. Once you get to the chorus, it all sounds a bit tinny. The second verse with the breathy joint vocal and the dramatic LO-SING-YOU is the best part of the song. I like the girls' held notes with the male BVs underneath at the end. All in all, I think that both Lovers and KOF could have been more powerful if the mixes had been approached differently.
IIWFTN is another that would have needed pruning for 7". The album version is perfect for an album, but the intro (especially before the second verse) needs pruning and the outro/coda needs to be edited too. It has scope for a wonderful 12" version too.
I saw this video on YouTube, looking at some of the vocal parts in various songs. The section related to Under Attack shows (IMO) that there was more going on in the vocal arrangement than the single mix seems to provide. The melodies Frida sang in Chiquitita are so great that they could have been the basis for a whole other song. And the BVs in Our Last Summer are sublime!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 15:03:08 GMT
I don't understand why there was no single released before The Visitors album. When was When All is Said and Done finished? I know they started it in March 1981. Some think it if was released instead of Head Over Heels it would have been a big hit. I think by 1982 ABBA were on the way out and WAISAD would have only been a bigger hit if released before The Visitors or at the same time instead of One of Us.
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