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Post by richard on Nov 15, 2022 14:42:50 GMT
I wonder how you feel about ABBA's earlier songs/tracks?
Melodically/musically, I think some of them are very good, if often lacking in terms of arrangement. Lyrically, compared with what came later, I find them 'serviceable' (like a lot of pop songs I've heard) rather than brilliant or meaningfully engaging.
I want to mention My Mama Said. Musically, I've always liked the song: the cool, funky feel; the bass; the vibraphone riff; the guitar solo. It's another side of ABBA, and I don't think they did anything quite like it again, and I wish they had. But the lyrics are nothing special; indeed, no doubt some think them dire!
I also love the chorus of Dance While The Music Still Goes On. But I find it reminiscent of The Beach Boys' 'Don't Worry Baby', but nowhere near as good a song overall.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 15, 2022 16:17:51 GMT
I agree with those, Richard. It took a while for My Mama Said to grow on me, but now I love it. I am definitely in the "those lyrics are dire" camp - I can only imagine how much more special that song would be with better lyrics.
I rate Suzy Hang Around melodically too. Again, the lyrics are the weak point. But I like the arrangement and the tune. One where the lyrics are decent (especially given the era and the weakness of the lyrics elsewhere on the album), I think Gonna Sing You My Lovesong is pretty special. Thematically, it feels like a milder sibling to Dusty Springfield's Breakfast In Bed. The vocal is tender and restrained and that harmonic surge of a chorus is lovely.
Disillusion is underrated too, in my opinion. Can I also encourage some love for Hey, Hey, Helen? It's always been my favourite track on the ABBA album. The massed backing vocals are superb, as is that funky little breakdown in the middle.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Nov 15, 2022 16:36:21 GMT
What classes as an 'earlier song'? I'll assume you mean the first two albums.
Ring Ring is full of songs of... mixed quality, lol. Ring Ring is great, and Disillusion is good too, and there are several 'decent' songs on there like HIYB, Love Isn't Easy and ATAT.
Waterloo there are a lot more songs I really like. As well as the title track of course, there's Honey Honey, Hasta Mañana, GSYML and DWTMSGO. I even quite like King Kong Song despite it not being that good objectively lol.
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Post by Michal on Nov 16, 2022 11:51:47 GMT
As I'm not a native English speaker I have much less problem with the lyrics. I like most of the early songs, even though I seldom listen to the Ring Ring album. The ones that stand out for me are Disillusion, He Is Your Brother, Nina, Rock'n'Roll Band. Waterloo is much better and I have some firm favourites - Dance, Honey Honey, Gonna Sing You My Lovesong, Hasta Manana plus there are some more that I are very fun to listen to - My Mama Said, King Kong Song, even Sitting In The Palmtree :-) Strangely, neither Ring Ring nor Waterloo (the songs) belong to my favourites.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 18:32:36 GMT
I want to mention My Mama Said. Musically, I've always liked the song: the cool, funky feel; the bass; the vibraphone riff; the guitar solo. It's another side of ABBA, and I don't think they did anything quite like it again, and I wish they had. But the lyrics are nothing special; indeed, no doubt some think them dire! I love My Mama Said. Yes, it has a funky feel. Jazzy funk with brilliant baseline. I quite like the lyrics. It's my favourite early ABBA song. When we did polls for our favourite ABBA songs it was just outside my Top 10. I am not a huge fan of most of the early songs. Of the Eurovision songs I prefer Ring Ring to Waterloo. On the Ring Ring album I like Nina Pretty Ballerina and Another Town, Another Train. On Waterloo, Hasta Manana and Honey Honey.
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Post by evilincarnate on Nov 19, 2022 0:58:38 GMT
I agree with those, Richard. It took a while for My Mama Said to grow on me, but now I love it. I am definitely in the "those lyrics are dire" camp - I can only imagine how much more special that song would be with better lyrics. I rate Suzy Hang Around melodically too. Again, the lyrics are the weak point. But I like the arrangement and the tune. One where the lyrics are decent (especially given the era and the weakness of the lyrics elsewhere on the album), I think Gonna Sing You My Lovesong is pretty special. Thematically, it feels like a milder sibling to Dusty Springfield's Breakfast In Bed. The vocal is tender and restrained and that harmonic surge of a chorus is lovely. Disillusion is underrated too, in my opinion. Can I also encourage some love for Hey, Hey, Helen? It's always been my favourite track on the ABBA album. The massed backing vocals are superb, as is that funky little breakdown in the middle. I'm in total agreement with all your comments. I especially adore "Gonna Sing You My Lovesong" and "Hey, Hey Helen" but also have great affection for "I've Been Waiting For You". In fact, I'd love to hear Agnetha and Frida tackle "IBWFY" and "GSYML" in their current mature voices.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 19, 2022 10:48:24 GMT
I think that I've Been Waiting For You was a squandered opportunity - especially in the UK/Ireland and European territories. I think it would have have been a big hit, had it been an A-side at the time. As for hearing it and Gonna Sing You My Lovesong performed with their mature voices... what a fab idea! I think GSYML in particular could be recast as a smokey torch song. Basically, we need the ABBAtars to steal Kylie's "anti-tour" idea and do a set of shows with deeper cuts like these, maybe reimagined.
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Post by foreverfan on Nov 19, 2022 11:28:41 GMT
If we are talking pre 1976... There are a few stand out tracks that hold the test of time... or at least are still good... I’ve Been Waiting for you , missed opportunity for single release Hey Hey Helen, fantastic rockier track.... Ring Ring, just to mention those .. However as twee as it may sound today, What About Livingstone, I believe had one of the first Abba sounds... Other worthy mentions, as in early Abba sounds ( I mean similar to 1976 plus sounds ) Dance Honey Honey Nina
Do we forget that Mamma Mia and SOS were pre 1976 ?.. so are we talking pre 1975.. and for some of us, older tracks are actually pre Voyage...lol....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 16:25:26 GMT
I think that I've Been Waiting For You was a squandered opportunity - especially in the UK/Ireland and European territories. I think it would have have been a big hit, had it been an A-side at the time. Well, we'll never know. I can understand how record companies went with So Long. It was Glam Rock and 1974 was peak Glam Rock. I do think the record labels got it wrong with Ring Ring (I prefer this to Honey Honey, actually). But we have solid evidence of Honey Honey being a Top 10 UK hit - by a terrible act at the time of Ring Ring's release. Honey Honey by ABBA only really did well in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. A UK/Ireland release could have given it two extra countries where it was Top 10.
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Post by evilincarnate on Nov 20, 2022 12:11:04 GMT
Strangely enough, "I've Been Waiting For You" was released in Australia as the follow-up to "So Long" in April 1975 but only reached no. 49 in the charts.
A series of more commercially successful singles from the 1975 self-titled album followed:
"I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do" (no. 1 in July 1975) "Mamma Mia" (no. 1 in September 1975) "S.O.S" (no. 1 in November 1975)
Then in 1976, Australia's love affair with ABBA continued with these chart placings:
"Ring Ring" (re-entered. reaching no. 7 in January) "Fernando" (no. 1 in March) "Waterloo" (re-released as an EP, reaching no. 60 in March)
Then a year after its original single release, "I've Been Waiting For You" was reissued but the b-side, "Rock Me", was promoted instead and reached no. 4 in April 1976.
I guess "I've Been Waiting For You" will forever be the bridesmaid but I consider it one of their very best.
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Post by Alan on Nov 20, 2022 12:49:57 GMT
Honey Honey by ABBA only really did well in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. A UK/Ireland release could have given it two extra countries where it was Top 10. I tend to think the opposite - that if Honey Honey had been released in the UK as follow-up to Waterloo, it would have bombed. ABBA, as a non-Anglosphere act, were allowed their one novelty Eurovision hit and kindly expected to return to Sweden and never bother our shores again. Honey Honey, as a two-word title with the same word repeated, was hardly a million miles from Ring Ring so I don’t think the song itself would have made the slightest bit of difference. Sweet Dreams (or anyone except ABBA, as long as they were British or from the Anglosphere) could have had a hit with it. Same probably goes for I’ve Been Waiting For You or any others around that time. Quite how and why SOS managed to turn things around is perhaps because it was their first break-up song to be a single. Ooh, get ABBA, they can do serious. Plus after more than a year in the wilderness, they had proved that they had staying power. They weren’t going to give up as perhaps the UK media expected them to. I honestly think though that be it Ring Ring, Honey Honey or any other song at that time, the result would have been the same. The song wasn’t the problem, but who was singing it (and more importantly where they were from).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 15:31:06 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with you Alan. Given Honey Honey was a Top 10 in the UK by another act I can't see why ABBA couldn't have had a Top 10 with it. I understand your point about attitudes to Eurovision but ABBA did break the mould. Their follow up success could have come earlier than SOS.
Pretty sure there was a TOTP strike on when Ring Ring was released. Your favourite tracks from Ring Ring and Waterloo are also my favourite ones
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 20:41:12 GMT
Quite how and why SOS managed to turn things around is perhaps because it was their first break-up song to be a single. Ooh, get ABBA, they can do serious. Plus after more than a year in the wilderness, they had proved that they had staying power. They weren’t going to give up as perhaps the UK media expected them to. SOS was a break-up song but hardly similar to a heavy break up song like The Winner Takes it All or even Knowing Me Knowing You. It was uptempo and poppy in the main. A more serious song from that time - I'm Still Waiting For You wasn't released in many countries. Perhaps because it was too mature and lacking upbeat melody for ABBA's record companies ABBA did persist. After 3 flop singles in the UK they were reduced to appearing on Seaside Special in the UK. That seemed to have done the trick. It's been pointed out that ABBA's lack of success after Waterloo is mainly from a British perspective. There's a lot of truth in that. But remember in several countries SOS was their first #1 since Waterloo and first at all in Australia and NZ. SOS has a quality that Ring Ring, Honey, Honey, I've Been Waiting for You simply don't have. As good as those songs are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 21:07:19 GMT
A few months back the legend Niles Rogers was interviewed by Bjorn. Niles was clearly a big fan of SOS. He said he used to dance to it - but the lyrics were quite sad.
Bjorn replied that he lied having a melody going against the lyrics.
There are so many ABBA songs with sad, reflective lyrics but a very catchy beat. SOS is top of that particular list.
SOS was the "comeback single" - not just UK but other countries where it got to #1. I guess for ABBA to break out of that Eurovision straightjacket and equal or exceed the success of Waterloo they needed something more than quite good. They needed brilliance. That's what they got with SOS.
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