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Post by richard on Jul 22, 2020 12:51:50 GMT
It would be interesting to know if any legal restrictions applies, then, to all their current new songs. Have they signed away all their current creative efforts to the avatar show, I wonder? I'm no legal expert, but that seems to me to be highly unlikely.
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Post by justabba on Jul 22, 2020 13:19:31 GMT
It would be interesting to know if any legal restrictions applies, then, to all their current new songs. Have they signed away all their current creative efforts to the avatar show, I wonder? I'm no legal expert, but that seems to me to be highly unlikely. Yes that would be strange as only 2 songs were written specifically for the project, although Benny did say in december 18 they were considering recording a third for when the tour actually opens.
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Post by bennybjorn on Jul 22, 2020 15:32:03 GMT
Could someone do a timeline indicating when we first heard about extra songs? Initially in April 2018, we were told there were two. Now in July 2020, we're told there are five (although we need to be careful as it's only what Jeff Lloyd told us - didn't come straight from Bjorn). When did we first hear there were three, and then four? Thanks.
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Post by justabba on Jul 22, 2020 15:48:25 GMT
Could someone do a timeline indicating when we first heard about extra songs? Initially in April 2018, we were told there were two. Now in July 2020, we're told there are five (although we need to be careful as it's only what Jeff Lloyd told us - didn't come straight from Bjorn). When did we first hear there were three, and then four? Thanks. I spoke with Geoff Lloyd and the interview with Bjorn is being broadcast on a station in America next month.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 17:22:31 GMT
Gazman, yes it is awesome to hear that five new ABBA songs are coming. I will be patient and leave it to ABBA to safely release them just as soon as they can. It isn't their fault but to unprecedented circumstances beyond our control.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 11:44:49 GMT
On Wednesday 22nd July, Gorel Hanser, ABBA's Friend & Spokesperson, discussed the '5' New ABBA Songs, with 2 Swedish News Papers. She would not confirm that there are more than the 2, that we were told about in April 2018. (However, as the New Songs are 'tied' to their ABBAtars 'Project', she may not be able to reveal too much, for Legal reasons. It may be, that Bjorn is saying more than he should).
Aftonbladet published: Görel Hanser couldn´t confirm that five new songs were coming out. She stands by what they said earlier.
"I can confirm that two songs will be released, but we don´t know more right now", she says to Aftonbladet
VK.se Published- Abba has recorded a total of five new songs, according to the British newspaper The Independent. The information comes from the podcast profile Geoff Lloyd who claims to have done a long interview with Björn Ulvaeus via the app Zoom.
But Görel said today: "There are two songs that are relevant at the moment and I don´t know when they will be released, there is no date set. Probably next year but it is related to the avatar project which has been delayed due to corona and so on. There is no date set and there is nothing more than talking about two songs."
In the meantime, here is Bjorn's Interview with UK I.T.V. News, from September 2019. From 1.40 on-wards, he is asked if ABBA have 'recently' been into the Studio. He admits that they have. That he can't say too much, as Benny, Agnetha & Frida, don't want him to reveal too much. He's clearly not referring to the 2 Songs, that ABBA Recorded, in June 2017. He's talking about 2019 ABBA Recording Sessions...
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Post by justabba on Jul 24, 2020 13:18:41 GMT
Yes clearly Gorel was being evasive and didnt deny other songs exist just that 2 belong to the avatar project. I'm almost certain when Bjorn referred in may or june he was itching to get back to mix a song that would be track number 6.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Jul 24, 2020 14:50:10 GMT
When the new ABBA songs are finally released I will be quite content just to hear the new songs. To be honest I am not too keen with " The ABBAtars " project. I feel the song setlist will be very similar to the ABBA live concert setlist and many of the best songs that were never performed live will be omitted. I have always peferred ABBA in the studio to ABBA live in concert. Apologies if I offend anyone. I prefer to listen to ABBA in the studio as well.
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 24, 2020 15:43:32 GMT
So there we go.. no true confirmation, just speculation 😳
Just the two tracks, and looking more and more likely tied in legally with the ABBAtars.. hence why we are not getting them. In my heart though I still hope for more than 2, but beginning to think the 2 tracks is all we may get..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 17:46:09 GMT
Adam, you can't beat ABBA in the studio. They painstakingly put in a lot of attention to detail that is why their music is timeless and appealing. No cover version of any of their songs will ever come close to the original. Foreverfan, two new songs are better than none at all but you never know there may be more.
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Post by richard on Jul 24, 2020 19:05:54 GMT
Franz Schubert, (who said that when he had completed composing a piece, he immediately started on another), in addition to 9 symphonies and numerous other works, wrote over 600 songs before he died at 31. Of course, we're talking a different order of genius here. Even so, imo, it puts in perspective this 'new ABBA songs'/avatar saga, and makes it seem all too precious - including any pathetic, over-restrictive legalities. Modern-day commercial absurdity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 20:13:50 GMT
There are now 4 types of ABBA Fans:
1)... Those, who are so tired, of waiting, for the New Songs, that they have given up. They no longer think that ABBA will ever release them. (Be it 2 or 3 or 4 or 5).
2)... Those who are fed up, of rumours, about more than 2 New Songs, and have decided to expect, no more, than the 2, that we were told about, in April 2018. (The ones that ABBA Recorded in June 2017). That is the advice, that ABBA Writer, Carl Magnus Palm, gave to me, in an Email, last Year. He urged me to expect no more than 2. That way, there is no risk, of my being disappointed, by 2...
3)... Those Fans, who are still very optimistic. They think, that we may get as many as 5 New Songs. Maybe even a whole New Album.
4)... Those, who are tired, of the whole thing. They wish that ABBA, had never announced, any New Songs, in April 2018. They wish, that they could just walk away, from ABBA, for many Months, and if they release anything New, it will be a surprise. But, if they release nothing, then so be it - there is nothing we Fans can do about it. We have no say in the matter - at all...
I've yet to decide, which of the 4 'types' of ABBA Fan, that I am...
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Post by supertrouper on Jul 24, 2020 23:04:20 GMT
There are now 4 types of ABBA Fans: 1)... Those, who are so tired, of waiting, for the New Songs, that they have given up. They no longer think that ABBA will ever release them. (Be it 2 or 3 or 4 or 5). 2)... Those who are fed up, of rumours, about more than 2 New Songs, and have decided to expect, no more, than the 2, that we were told about, in April 2018. (The ones that ABBA Recorded in June 2017). That is the advice, that ABBA Writer, Carl Magnus Palm, gave to me, in an Email, last Year. He urged me to expect no more than 2. That way, there is no risk, of my being disappointed, by 2... 3)... Those Fans, who are still very optimistic. They think, that we may get as many as 5 New Songs. Maybe even a whole New Album. 4)... Those, who are tired, of the whole thing. They wish that ABBA, had never announced, any New Songs, in April 2018. They wish, that they could just walk away, from ABBA, for many Months, and if they release anything New, it will be a surprise. But, if they release nothing, then so be it - there is nothing we Fans can do about it. We have no say in the matter - at all... I've yet to decide, which of the 4 'types' of ABBA Fan, that I am... I'm actually a number 3... But with a twist. I believe that after all this wait and what has happened during it we'll get something good but at the same time... The wait... And everything that has happened...
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Post by justabba on Jul 25, 2020 6:18:43 GMT
I'm with supertrouper....
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 25, 2020 10:31:47 GMT
Same.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Jul 25, 2020 11:43:38 GMT
If there is going to be a new ABBA album with all new songs then a second disc with the songs from the 1982 recording sessions should be included as those songs were originally recorded for a 9th album that would have been released in 1983 had it not been shelved those songs feel out of place on the re-issues of The Visitors album or a second disc should have been included with The Visitors album.
This is my view of what a 9th album could have been like had it been released in 1983/1984
1. Under Attack 2. Cassandra 3. I Am The City 4. You Owe Me One 5. Just Like That (Saxophone Version) 6. Every Good Man 7. Slowly 8. Man 9. Don't Do It 10. The Queen of Hearts 11. When The Waves Roll Out To Sea (Instrumental) 12. The Day Before You Came.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 16:48:35 GMT
Onlyabba4me, an interesting thread about the types of different fans. I belong to No 3. Adam, an interesting choice of songs for a possible 9th album which sadly never materialised. When ABBA release the new songs, I would opt for a compilation of all the songs that were never performed live and left out by the wayside plus the new songs thrown in for good measure. ABBA Live is the worst compilation release of all and one I wouldn't ever consider buying. I just hope the tracklist is completely different regarding The ABBAtars.
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Post by Michel on Jul 25, 2020 17:15:22 GMT
If ABBA release new material I see no reason why they should revisit (or re-release) the 1982 recordings. The 1982 recordings were included on the deluxe edition of The Visitors, except Just Like That, which - as we all know - B&B don't want to see released at all. I would not want to see an album release cobbled together from 1982 recordings, solo recordings and discarded Chess demos. Now that would be an incohesive album
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Post by gamleman on Jul 25, 2020 17:29:56 GMT
I am probably between 2 and 3 above - I am expecting more than two songs (although I don't think they will necessarily choose to release all five) and I am rather sceptical about an album of new material.
My feeling is the proposed bonus CD would be rather patchy, ranging from amongst the worst songs to amongst the best songs that ABBA recorded. Plus, in my opinion Agnetha's "Man" and "The Queen Of Hearts" would eclipse some of the B&B compositions (although I'm not keen on the lyrics of the English version of the latter).
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Post by Zeebee on Jul 25, 2020 19:11:05 GMT
Could someone say why reply has been removed? It was only an opinion and not offensive in any way, I thought we were able to disagree? my apologies, on previous page.. sorry I don't know what reply you are referring to. Of course you are allowed to disagree.
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Post by Zeebee on Jul 25, 2020 19:19:12 GMT
This thread seems to go off-topic all the time. But there is really not much to discuss about the "new" songs now… gary is probably right that it should be locked up. My intention is to lock this thread when the new ABA songs are released. But if there is another delay, I may lock this thread sooner.
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Post by Zeebee on Jul 25, 2020 19:25:09 GMT
I've just spoken with Geoff Lloyd. The interview with Bjorn is being aired on a US station next month. Do you know what US station? I haven't heard about it.
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Post by justabba on Jul 25, 2020 20:13:46 GMT
I've just spoken with Geoff Lloyd. The interview with Bjorn is being aired on a US station next month. Do you know what US station? I haven't heard about it. There is no reason you would have heard, he told me the station Is called Sirius XM
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Post by supertrouper on Jul 26, 2020 5:35:03 GMT
If there is going to be a new ABBA album with all new songs then a second disc with the songs from the 1982 recording sessions should be included as those songs were originally recorded for a 9th album that would have been released in 1983 had it not been shelved those songs feel out of place on the re-issues of The Visitors album or a second disc should have been included with The Visitors album. This is my view of what a 9th album could have been like had it been released in 1983/1984 1. Under Attack 2. Cassandra 3. I Am The City 4. You Owe Me One 5. Just Like That (Saxophone Version) 6. Every Good Man 7. Slowly 8. Man 9. Don't Do It 10. The Queen of Hearts 11. When The Waves Roll Out To Sea (Instrumental) 12. The Day Before You Came. An interesting album.
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 26, 2020 6:59:01 GMT
I am not a big fan of the 1982 recordings. Had Opus 10 happened I doubt You owe me one would have appeared on it. Fine as a b side but not album quality. Of all the tracks I think only The Day before you came and I am the city would have. Cassandra seems like a step back and dated as does Under Attack. I remember feeling that at the time. I was hopeful for Slowly but it lacked the Abba magic . Maybe a past / present album highlighting some of the hidden gems such as ....Eagle, The Visitors, Slipping through my fingers, If it wasn’t for the nights, As good as new, Andante Andante, the reworked My love My life and I’ve been waiting for you. These songs all still sound fresh and some would be recognisable to casual Abba fans from theirs exposure in Mamma Mia 2. I would also include The Day before you came and I am the city. That would give 15 tracks. Just a thought.
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Post by justabba on Jul 26, 2020 7:31:07 GMT
Personally I'm still waiting for the new material!!
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Post by gamleman on Jul 26, 2020 8:02:49 GMT
A bit off-topic, but do we know the exact songs that were recorded in 1982 for the album that was never released. My guess is Just Like That, I Am The City, You Owe Me One, Under Attack, Cassandra and The Day Before You Came. My understanding (maybe wrong) is that Every Good Man was a demo for Chess, perhaps later?
For me, The Day Before You Came and Just Like That were amongst ABBA's best work. I also think Cassandra and Under Attack would have deserved their places on the album. I see Cassandra as classic ABBA, while Under Attack, You Owe Me One and I Am The City now have a dated 80s sound - they had weird voice-processing effects, if I'm not mistaken. I think You Owe Me One was a real backward step, going back to Bubble-gum Pop that they left behind long before.
Just for completeness, I suppose if you were compiling an 80s bonus album including songs also written and recorded by Agnetha and Frida, you would have to include I Won't Let You Go, You're There and That's Tough.
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Post by Michal on Jul 26, 2020 8:44:38 GMT
Every Good Man was recorded in 1983 and it was never intended for ABBA indeed. Agnetha just happened to be in a studio, when they needed to record a demo for Chess.
You Owe Me One would have never made it onto an ABBA album either IMO. It was too weak even to be a B-side and I guess they used it just because they had nothing else to put on the other side of Under Attack.
I guess ABBA would never even consider mixing the old and new material, let alone ABBA and solo stuff just for sake of releasing a full "new" album. And I would really hate it if they did...
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 26, 2020 9:02:03 GMT
Yeah the songs were being recorded for the then forthcoming album . Not Every man though. Of the solo projects at that time I only rate two as exceptional. The others are ok but no where near the Abba quality. The albums are trapped in the 80s. The two songs I consider the best from the solo 80’s albums are IKTSGO and WYAAM. Love Kirsty McColl/Steve Lilywhite but Shine did not Shine for me. Barry Gibb or the Pet shop boys may have been better choices for producers of the solo albums in the 80s. Love A and My colouring book. Under attack used some part of Just like that.... a bit like Dream world/ Does your Mother know, Happy Hawaii/ WDIHTBM. Under Attack seems so 1979 and not 1982. Don’t think the solo songs would feature on an Abba album ... would not be Abba, produced by different producers. Would love there to a new album full of new material but looks unlikely unless the boys are planning to surprise us further. I am glad that Benny is protective of the Abba legacy. Would rather have 5 grade A songs than 10 run of the mill.
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Post by gazman on Jul 26, 2020 18:49:09 GMT
Has onlyabba4me decided to leave the group? He's not here any more...
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