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Post by bennybjorn on Jan 9, 2022 10:47:48 GMT
This post is dedicated to all fans for whom ABBA having the top sales figures and holding world records isn't the most important thing:
An understandable sentiment but... the more successful the new album, the more likely there will be further new songs (and that's something that we'd surely all like to see). |
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Post by jj on Jan 9, 2022 11:18:07 GMT
This post is dedicated to all fans for whom ABBA having the top sales figures and holding world records isn't the most important thing:
An understandable sentiment but... the more successful the new album, the more likely there will be further new songs (and that's something that we'd surely all like to see).
You don't think Voyage has been successful enough?? Wow! Voyage has proved phenomenally successful, much more than anyone had dared imagine, so if they want to release more songs, the encouragement from buyers is definitely there now, wouldn't you say?
I've got a feeling though, that ABBA don't want to push their luck too much and may prefer to end on a high. Another album would certainly not fare as well, and there'd be many thinking "Wait a minute, didn't they repeatedly say Voyage was to be their final album?"
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Post by Alan on Jan 9, 2022 11:23:14 GMT
As a thought... I guess as there are now 10 studio albums… Are you aware of an album the rest of us aren’t, Graham?!  |
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Post by gary on Jan 9, 2022 11:27:32 GMT
As a thought... I guess as there are now 10 studio albums, we could rank each album as stated, and the top 2 or 3 from each album then go through to a " Grand Final " top 20 or 30. Singles like Fernando GGG and B sides could be entered to the deluxe version as not to be left out.... Could be easier than trying to do a complete top 100 plus.... Yes, I tend to think of nine studio albums. Are you adding Gracias? |
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 9, 2022 11:27:36 GMT
Yes its called "Imagine"...LOL
Well its called a senior moment and of course there are 11...lol...
Disregard above post and come up with another idea !!!
Or !!! we could add all those non specific album tracks to our "10th" album......
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Post by Michal on Jan 9, 2022 11:28:31 GMT
As a thought... I guess as there are now 10 studio albums… Are you aware of an album the rest of us aren’t, Graham?!  Gracias Por La Música? We tend to forget about that one. But I'm not sure even ABBA themselves consider it a proper studio album... |
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Post by Alan on Jan 9, 2022 11:47:59 GMT
Gracias Por La Música? We tend to forget about that one. But I'm not sure even ABBA themselves consider it a proper studio album... I’d class that as a studio/compilation hybrid. Eight songs had re-recorded vocals especially for the album and tracks remixed slightly, but not sure it’s enough. Plus those tracks have appeared as bonus selections on the eight studio albums. Re-recordings can be termed as studio albums (Kate Bush’s Director’s Cut for one) but here the emphasis was on recording in a different language. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 14:46:15 GMT
Any thoughts on what would be your ideal scenario for the next single? I think I would like to have an extended version of WYDWM, with a video of the ABBATARS, including the clip of ABBA in the studio singing the song, would tick all boxes for me!
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Post by madonnabba on Jan 9, 2022 16:47:05 GMT
No doubt about it or Dan for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 17:07:28 GMT
My Favourite 3 from Voyage: I Still Have Faith in You, Don't Shur Me Down and Do Doubt About It
4 of us have the first 2 singles in our Top 3. Me, Hometime, Madonnabba, Gary.
No Doubt About It would be my choice of single.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 17:35:16 GMT
NDAI is a great song! Would probably be my, very close, second choice! Any video preferences/ideas?
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Post by Alan on Jan 9, 2022 18:12:50 GMT
I’m still a bit sceptical as to whether there really will be a fifth single. The source of this was Polydor marketing director Stephen Hallowes who said the following in December: "They've sold a huge amount of tickets to that [the Voyage show] already and I think we will go with another single from the album to radio early next year to keep things moving and work that into the show," noted Hallowes. Ignoring the fact that Polydor isn’t actually ABBA’s record label (though it once was, and is of course owned by Universal), would their marketing director really have a say on what goes into the show, and how it could be worked into it? Plus note “I think” and that this was before the relative failure of Little Things would have been known. It sounds to me like a flippant remark that hadn’t been looked into properly. Also “to radio” would mean it would only be a promotional single anyway. I could be completely wrong though. www.musicweek.com/labels/read/fantastic-voyage-polydor-on-the-second-coming-of-abba/084823 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 19:48:01 GMT
The bit about another Voyage song being part of the show is rubbish.
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Post by Alan on Jan 9, 2022 22:50:32 GMT
The bit about another Voyage song being part of the show is rubbish. I’m inclined to think the entire statement is rubbish, to be honest. It read like someone was trying to climb the career ladder by making out the success of Voyage was all down to them. I do, however, still think there could be a fifth single, but it will be a brand new song released in May ahead of the start of the shows and swiftly followed by a re-released Voyage album. Anything else would be a disappointment. An existing track would garner little interest, other than perhaps a few more sales for the album on the back of being playlisted on Radio 2. It wouldn’t have anywhere near enough impact. |
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Post by bennybjorn on Jan 9, 2022 22:59:08 GMT
The bit about another Voyage song being part of the show is rubbish. I’m inclined to think the entire statement is rubbish, to be honest. It read like someone was trying to climb the career ladder by making out the success of Voyage was all down to them. I do, however, still think there could be a fifth single, but it will be a brand new song released in May ahead of the start of the shows and swiftly followed by a re-released Voyage album. Anything else would be a disappointment. An existing track would garner little interest, other than perhaps a few more sales for the album on the back of being playlisted on Radio 2. It wouldn’t have anywhere near enough impact. Not sure I agree. No Doubt About It is flipping brilliant and will probably pick up as much, if not more, airplay than the previous singles which would easily revive the album's fortunes. Best to leave it for a good month or two though (as the album leaves the top 10 would be a good time). But yes, a brand new song would be brilliant for us fans, and good for the album's fortunes assuming it was added to a new version. It may well happen but my hunch is that it probably won't. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Jan 10, 2022 9:11:14 GMT
Both NDAI and OTF were the only two Voyage tracks left off Spotify's hugely popular This Is ABBA playlist. That could be a factor in their streaming numbers? I'd argue that it's possible that the lower streaming figures could possibly work in a single's favour. If the track is less familiar to people, it could feel "new."
NDAI strikes me as the "unexpected" moment on Voyage. It has a zest and energy that stands apart from the more stately moments surrounding it. Taking the track completely away from the set could change perceptions. At this stage, though, it seems daft to expend too much energy debating the merits of one possible single over another, when so much hangs on what radio playlisters might do. If ABBA and/or the record company have chart ambitions, a single would need a full-on CD/vinyl/video package. It'd be nice if they considered freshening things up with a little remix too, but that's even less likely to happen.
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Post by JeniLP on Jan 10, 2022 9:14:55 GMT
Any thoughts on what would be your ideal scenario for the next single? I would go for KAEOD. And of course any kind of visual support starring ABBAtars or actual ABBA would be great. |
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 10, 2022 9:56:03 GMT
Alas I still think that we wont get anything for a little while, closer to the Abbatar show, when we may get one of those unreleased tracks. Hope I'm wrong of course and we do get something soon, just to keep momentum going. As for video, I feel if off the album then we wont get nothing more than another Lyric video as they are keeping the Abbatars a close guarded secret, until closer to the show...
I notice that no ABBA single/track is being played at the moment, gone quiet, so expecting a fall for Voyage, which will of course be disappointing but inevitable if not now soon...
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 10, 2022 10:21:14 GMT
Just found this on another site.. UKmix..
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Gimme Gimme Gimme: Platinum (Platinum for digital Sales 600k, + the original 450k = 1,05 mill total sales)
Is it official and does it mean that GGG joins the likes of KMKY , ST to have sold over a million and joins Dancing Queen ? we never really see anything official in the million sellers charts... I believe that TACOM and Fernando were close as well ?
GGG has become very popular ?
From the same site...Probably today Dancing Queen will pass the 650 million mark on Spotify.
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Post by justabba on Jan 10, 2022 10:41:07 GMT
Alan, I think it's doubtful someone from polydor would be interviewed by music week with information that was untrue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 11:01:52 GMT
Foreverfan - GGG is indeed a million seller, though not all pure sales. The Official Charts Company clearly got some figures wrong in this list from a few months back www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/abbas-official-top-20-biggest-songs__26113/Hometime - I agree about NDAI being a single. The lack of streaming success may turn out to be a blessing in disguise as it is seen ae 'new'. It has the uptempo sound that so many casual fans love - people who have not bought Voyage. By contrast WYDWM has had streaming success and probably less appealing to fans who only have Gold. |
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Post by JeniLP on Jan 10, 2022 11:28:38 GMT
GGG has become very popular ? Thank tiktok for that  |
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 10, 2022 11:38:48 GMT
Just out of curiosity..
We know that DSMD has sold in region of 110,000 , which isnt bad considering the state of the charts these days... However has it out sold TYFTM ? which only made number 33 in the UK and is often cited as the 20th best selling single.... I have doubts myself.. Also...HOH, UA bigger hits position wise and longer on the charts
Anyone know those lower figures ?
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 10, 2022 18:26:23 GMT
Just for those chart nuts...
Voyage is down to 6 in the latest UK mid week charts, however sales are extremely low the number 5 album has sold approx...4500, so its possible that Voyage could climb....
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Post by gazman on Jan 10, 2022 19:34:19 GMT
Just one question… if they sold 200K for “all other albums”, how come the only studio albums that briefly charted were Voulez-Vous (no. 58 for one week in September) and Arrival (no. 100 for a week)? You only have to sell a few thousand to chart. Gold/More Gold (the 2014 version?) did chart for one week at number 72 in September. 200,000 seems a lot when it wasn’t reflected in chart action. Absolutely no way can a week each for Arrival and Voulez-Vous in lowly chart positions account for that many sales? I think part of the answer might lie in the fact that a track that is on both a studio and a compilation album can be counted towards one of each type. For example - if 1,000 Spotify streams equal one sale for an album - then 1,000 plays of 'I Have A Dream' in the UK on a given day can count as 1 sale of the track as far as an album is concerned (i.e. what counts towards the albums chart) - and that 'sale' will be recorded against the 'Voulez-Vous' album as well as 'Gold'. Same for 'Chiquitita', 'DYMK', 'VV', 'GGG' as far as that particular album is concerned.... So, very strong streaming volumes of tracks on 'Gold' will help the 'Voulez-Vous' album more than any other studio album purely because there are more tracks from that album (the 2001 remaster) than any other studio album. 'Arrival' will also do well where 'Fernando', 'DQ', 'MMM' and 'KMKY' are heavily streaming. This helps to explain the re-emergence of those studio albums at the bottom end of the charts on the odd occasion...naturally, all the other tracks on each studio album also need to be streamed to a certain extent to help the album chart/count towards a 'sale'. After that, however many 'traditional' album sales will be added e.g. CD/digital album purchases.... |
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Post by Michal on Jan 10, 2022 20:00:07 GMT
Any thoughts on what would be your ideal scenario for the next single? I think I would like to have an extended version of WYDWM, with a video of the ABBATARS, including the clip of ABBA in the studio singing the song, would tick all boxes for me! Unless they release an alternate version or extended remix of some of the tracks, I don't see a point in a new single from Voyage. Four one-track singles from a ten-track album is enough in my opinion. On the other hand... if I count right, 7 tracks from Voulez-Vous were released on singles back in 1979. But if there will be a fifth single, I would choose Keep An Eye On Dan. |
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Post by madonnabba on Jan 10, 2022 20:10:34 GMT
Re ..another single. Although I favour Bumble bee and OTF over Dan and NDAI, they would not promote the album better than Dan and NDAI. My choice would be NDAI if I was pushed for s choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 10:12:42 GMT
How great would it be if Benny made an appearance now and then to play keyboards on a song or two at some of the ABBAtar shows!! I'm sure they could turn off his ABBAtar for 20 minutes lol!!
Also, having seen a few comments in the media saying "it's not ABBA though!" (Noel Gallagher has recently spoken out about not agreeing with this kind of show), I think it is great that ABBA have embraced this new technology for old, new and future fans to enjoy. People moan about there being no artist/audience interaction, but let's face it, whenever I have seen recent concerts on TV, most of the audience aren't even watching properly, they are recording it on their phones!! so how can anyone moan about interaction!! I think people, Noel Gallagher included, also forget all the musicians, arena staff etc that are going to be employed through this technology/show - after all, they are in the "music industry" too and it's great for them.
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 11, 2022 13:25:01 GMT
Life is full of ifs buts and maybes....however..
Seeing they have done JAN, how about that forgotten should have been ABBA track.... Another You Another Me....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 14:17:01 GMT
Sorry , I didn't give much thought beforehand. It would be a good idea to create a separate thread for the ABBA song megarate if that is fine with Alan ? Your polls are beautifully presented. foreverfan, wasn't AYAM recorded and performed by H and Claire after they left Steps back in 2002 ? Their version wasn't bad but hearing the angelic voices of Agnetha and Frida singing this track would definitely be the superior version. |
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