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Post by jj on Jan 11, 2022 14:20:02 GMT
Bjorn seemed to really like that "ME/YOU" thing he did in 1976, eh?! Knowing ME Knowing YOU ===> Another YOU Another ME
I wonder how many other songs with "--- ME [comma] --- YOU", or "--- YOU [comma] ---ME" in the title he would have written if he'd kept writing lyrics throughout the 1980s?
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Post by Alan on Jan 11, 2022 17:09:40 GMT
Sorry , I didn't give much thought beforehand. It would be a good idea to create a separate thread for the ABBA song megarate if that is fine with Alan ? Your polls are beautifully presented. Yes, this is a good idea, as I had noticed the Megarate posts were clogging up this topic a bit. And both Michal and johnny also suggested it. I’ve therefore moved them all to their own topic. See abbachat.boards.net/thread/1436/abba-megarate-tracks-albumThere’s also a sticky on it, so should be easy to find. |
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Post by Alan on Jan 11, 2022 17:38:23 GMT
On the other hand... if I count right, 7 tracks from Voulez-Vous were released on singles back in 1979. Not really. Summer Night City and Gimme Gimme Gimme were not on the album originally, and Angeleyes was only a double-A side with Voulez-Vous in the UK and Ireland. Anything else (such as As Good As New) doesn’t really count as it wasn’t released by Polar. As Good As New was not a single in any major territory and is largely written out of ABBA’s history as such. Only the four official singles really count, so if Voyage does have a fifth (which I hope it doesn’t, unless it’s a new song), it would be the first ABBA album ever to have that many proper singles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:59:35 GMT
Thanks Alan, for moving the ABBA song megarate to another thread.
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Post by Alan on Jan 11, 2022 18:29:49 GMT
With all the talk of a fifth single, I thought it might be interesting to dig up this post from gamleman (12 November). It gives the sales figures for each track from the first week. Both NDAI and KAEOD were quite low at that point. Of the current non-singles, only Bumblebee was also in the bottom four. ( gamleman, hope you’re OK). What great news that ABBA are back at No 1 in the Albums chart in the UK and around the world. And "Voyage" is No 1 in the UK Album Downloads chart, which is immune to the effects of multiple physical editions. We can ignore the Streaming charts  I thought it would be interesting to analyse the Singles charts... Top 100 Singles DSMD #49 (re) ISHFIY #60 (re) WYDWM #67 (New) Remember, only three ABBA songs are allowed in the main Singles chart. So it was going to be fascinating to see how the tracks from "Voyage" performed in the Downloads and Sales charts, where no such restriction is in place. All ten tracks made the Top 100... Top 100 Singles Downloads JAN #29 (42) DSMD #30 (Re) ISHFIY #32 (Re) ICBTW #48 (New) WYDWM #49 (New) OTF #51 (New) NDAI #69 (New) LT #73 (New) BB #85 (New) KAEOD #88 (New) Top 100 Singles Sales ISHFIY #23 (52) JAN #24 (25) DSMD #26 (53) ICBTW #50 (New) WYDWM #51 (New) OTF #53 (New) NDAI #72 (New) LT #76 (New) BB #88 (New) KAEOD #91 (New) The above results are a little surprising, especially with fan-favourite KAEOD bringing up the rear. Finally, the Physical chart... Top 100 Singles Physical ISHFIY #7 (8) JAN #9 (10) DSMD #12 (12) Voulez-vous #56 (Re) What I would like to know is which physical edition of the "Voulez-vous" single has earned the song a place at #56? P.S. Someone might want to double-check the above positions. |
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Post by gamleman on Jan 11, 2022 18:54:20 GMT
Thanks Alan for pulling me from my slumbers. Sorry, I have been a bit lazy regarding forum participation of late. I've been having a bit of a rest following the release of "Voyage" and its immediate aftermath If they're going to do a fifth single, I think they have to offer something 'new'. Myself, I think ICBTW and KAEON are a bit dark for singles. I really favour WYDWM as it is upbeat and jolly, ideal for the Spring. NDAI would be OK but I'm not that sure it would make its mark with the general public. I feel that WYDWM is a bit short, so it would be great if they could do an extended version in order to offer something 'new'. I would count the double A-side of "Angeleyes" and "Voulez-volus" as two singles from the VV album, making five A-sides in total. However, "Angeleyes" is a grey area in that it was an A-side in only a handful of countries, although it was on the "Greatest Hits Vol. 2" album everywhere (I believe). Has anyone else got the book "ABBA All The Top 40 Hits" by Craig Halstead? It is now my bible for ABBA chart positions around the world. |
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Post by Michal on Jan 11, 2022 19:28:21 GMT
On the other hand... if I count right, 7 tracks from Voulez-Vous were released on singles back in 1979. Not really. Summer Night City and Gimme Gimme Gimme were not on the album originally, and Angeleyes was only a double-A side with Voulez-Vous in the UK and Ireland. Anything else (such as As Good As New) doesn’t really count as it wasn’t released by Polar. As Good As New was not a single in any major territory and is largely written out of ABBA’s history as such. Only the four official singles really count, so if Voyage does have a fifth (which I hope it doesn’t, unless it’s a new song), it would be the first ABBA album ever to have that many proper singles. I was counting the B-sides of the official singles too: Chiquitita, Does Your Mother Know / Kisses Of Fire, Voulez Vous / Angeleys, I Have A Dream and The King Has Lost His Crown, which appeared on the B-side of Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! |
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Post by Michal on Jan 11, 2022 19:31:29 GMT
Bjorn seemed to really like that "ME/YOU" thing he did in 1976, eh?! Knowing ME Knowing YOU ===> Another YOU Another ME
I wonder how many other songs with "--- ME [comma] --- YOU", or "--- YOU [comma] ---ME" in the title he would have written if he'd kept writing lyrics throughout the 1980s?
He obviously thought he was on a sure winner with that formula!  Except that the phrase "Knowing Me, Knowing You" was Stig's invention  So it leaves you with Another You Another Me and makes your theory collapse, unfortunately |
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Post by Michal on Jan 11, 2022 19:36:11 GMT
Life is full of ifs buts and maybes....however.. Seeing they have done JAN, how about that forgotten should have been ABBA track.... Another You Another Me.... I'm afraid they will never rework any of their songs recorded by other artists... But I agree that Another You Another Me would be interesting with Frida doing the verses and Agnetha the chorus (as AYAM was written to showcase Karin Glemark's incredible range and probably neither of the ABBA singers would be able to sing it on her own). The song is nice but Karin's histrionic performance actually ruins it. |
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Post by gamleman on Jan 11, 2022 19:59:07 GMT
It's true that ABBA liked repetition in their song titles...
Ring Ring
Honey Honey
I Do I Do I Do I Do I Do
Money Money Money
Gimme Gimme Gimme
Andante Andante
Me and Bobby and Bobby's Brother
Hey Hey Helen
Dum Dum Diddle
On and On and On
Knowing Me, Knowing You
My Love, My Life
One Man, One Woman
Another You, Another Me (not ABBA)
Have I missed any?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 21:14:23 GMT
Another Town, Another Train
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Post by abbafan456 on Jan 11, 2022 21:58:09 GMT
It's true that ABBA liked repetition in their song titles... Ring Ring Honey Honey I Do I Do I Do I Do I Do Money Money Money Gimme Gimme Gimme Andante Andante Me and Bobby and Bobby's Brother Hey Hey Helen Dum Dum Diddle On and On and On Knowing Me, Knowing You My Love, My Life One Man, One Woman Another You, Another Me (not ABBA) Have I missed any? As Good As New, Me and Bobby and Bobby's Brother, and The Name Of The Game I suppose fit the category |
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Post by gamleman on Jan 11, 2022 22:10:30 GMT
Well spotted. How could I have missed "Another Town, Another Train"? I'm not sure we should allow the word 'The' to qualify, as in TNOTG.
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Post by Alan on Jan 11, 2022 22:35:18 GMT
I was counting the B-sides of the official singles too: Chiquitita, Does Your Mother Know / Kisses Of Fire, Voulez Vous / Angeleys, I Have A Dream and The King Has Lost His Crown, which appeared on the B-side of Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! Ah, I see. That’s nothing compared to the ABBA album though. Nine of 11 tracks from that made it onto A or B sides officially, with the other two tracks also making it onto singles somewhere in the world. Had b-sides still existed, it would have meant eight tracks from Voyage making it onto singles so far. A fifth single would have used up the remaining two. Unless more new tracks do surface, Voyage will be the poor relation of the ABBA studio albums. All except The Album and Waterloo were eventually (one way or another) topped up with at least two additional tracks. Even those two had alternative versions to add. Voyage so far has absolutely nothing. A fifth single using an existing track would be an extremely damp squib. If we want ABBA to go out on a high, there’s got to be one more brand new single (and marketed as the final one). And at least one other new track on a deluxe of Voyage. And then that really is it. I’d be happy with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:25:33 GMT
Gamleman, nice to see you back. I also, own a copy of the same book " ABBA - All The Top 40 Hits ". It is a very useful source to have.
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Post by gamleman on Jan 12, 2022 13:39:31 GMT
Gamleman, nice to see you back. I also, own a copy of the same book " ABBA - All The Top 40 Hits ". It is a very useful source to have. Thank you. It's good that the book also covers solo material and even the ABBA cover versions that charted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:47:01 GMT
Yes indeed, it is a wonderfully informative book. A must for any ABBA fan. The author will probably update the book in the future to include " Voyage ". I have ordered " ABBA On Record " by Carl Magnus Palm. It should be published in June 2022 according to the ABBA historian.
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 12, 2022 14:01:31 GMT
^^^ is CMP hedging his bets on a couple more Tracks being released before June !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 18:25:23 GMT
Could be, Foreverfan.
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Post by joseph on Jan 12, 2022 18:37:33 GMT
As far as a new single goes, I don't see the point now really. Certainly not one from Voyage. If there was to be one then the consensus seems to be NDAI, KAIOD or WYDWM.
I'm content with whatever at this point. Its all gravy now. A brand new song? Well, we can dream. Who knows? We've already had more than I could have ever dreamed possible
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Post by bennybjorn on Jan 12, 2022 21:28:24 GMT
As far as a new single goes, I don't see the point now really. Certainly not one from Voyage. If there was to be one then the consensus seems to be NDAI, KAIOD or WYDWM. I'm content with whatever at this point. Its all gravy now. A brand new song? Well, we can dream. Who knows? We've already had more than I could have ever dreamed possible I've said this before but the point of a new single is obvious. If you have a catchy song on an album that is going to pick up radio airplay, it is well worth releasing it as a single. It doesn't matter whether it's the 1st 3rd or 6th one off the album. If it's good enough, the single will be played on radio stations, and the album will go flying back up the charts. If they do decide to release No Doubt About It, probably best to wait until the album drops out of the top 20. |
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Post by Alan on Jan 12, 2022 23:20:23 GMT
I've said this before but the point of a new single is obvious. If you have a catchy song on an album that is going to pick up radio airplay, it is well worth releasing it as a single. It doesn't matter whether it's the 1st 3rd or 6th one off the album. If it's good enough, the single will be played on radio stations, and the album will go flying back up the charts. If they do decide to release No Doubt About It, probably best to wait until the album drops out of the top 20. I don’t agree. You can get away with that for perhaps three or four singles but after that I think even Radio 2 would lose interest. Let’s face it, they didn’t A-list Little Things at first. Also, by this point they’d be preaching to the converted. Radio 2’s audience will have heard the first three or four singles and most probably got the album (or not got it) based on that. A song that’s already been available to them for months isn’t going to sway many, though it might pick up a few sales. “Flying back up the charts” is wishful thinking. Once it drops considerably, it will be because most of the people who will ever get this album have already done so. If they haven’t been swayed by the four singles so far, they’re unlikely to. What’s needed is a new song (or two). We’re all going to be buying it again then, and that would lengthen its chart run. A fifth single using an existing track won’t, apart from in people’s imaginations. I’d probably get it physically if there was a fifth, but five one-track singles - even as souvenirs - would try my patience a bit. I seriously hope it doesn’t happen, but we’ll see. The album campaign supposedly finished in December and Little Things was therefore meant to be the end of it. |
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Post by justabba on Jan 13, 2022 7:37:15 GMT
The album campaign supposedly finished in December and Little Things was therefore meant to be the end of it. Where did you get the album campaign had ended in December? I certainly didn't get that impression reading the music week article in December with polydors director of Marketing. |
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Post by Alan on Jan 13, 2022 18:47:07 GMT
Where did you get the album campaign had ended in December? I certainly didn't get that impression reading the music week article in December with polydors director of Marketing. Two days before the official announcement on 2 September, it got leaked and someone on PopJustice had seen it. They said the album campaign ran from September to December (at the time wondering if that meant the album itself was not released until December). The same person had the news about Just A Notion first (as a single) so it was a reliable source. |
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Post by Alan on Jan 13, 2022 18:54:50 GMT
Some posts have been deleted regarding quoting posts. It can be quite hard to do, especially in Mobile view, so I can understand why some just quote a whole post rather than the bit they’re referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 19:58:14 GMT
Alan, you have got it wrong.
Justabba quoted whole posts - twice - they were immediatetly after the post he was commentating on.
I made a valid point about just saying what you have to say and pointing out his rudeness. You ignored me.
This forum is not for me.
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Post by joseph on Jan 13, 2022 20:19:22 GMT
Regarding my post about whether or not there was any point in releasing another single from Voyage, I was talking from my own perspective (I wouldn't necessarily buy it) and I truly feel it would not make the album go flying up the charts again. I'd be happy to be proved wrong of course!
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Post by Michal on Jan 13, 2022 20:56:50 GMT
This forum is not for me. Overreacting a bit, aren't you? Actually, I have seen your and Justabba's post and I thought you were a bit harsh. And Justabba took it personally and fired back. But he was definitely not rude enough to be banned, or do you really think he was? I think Alan did the best thing possible... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 21:12:51 GMT
I made a legitimste and fair point about quoting whole posts. I suggested just making your points - especially when the post is just the one before you are posting.
JustAbba responded with a sarcastic comment..and another quote this time from me.
Alan justifies duplicate posts citing it is hard to edit on a mobile.
So, it's ok to just quote entire posts and have someone respond in a very dismissive way?
No wonder people leave this forum.
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Post by bennybjorn on Jan 13, 2022 22:13:26 GMT
I've said this before but the point of a new single is obvious. If you have a catchy song on an album that is going to pick up radio airplay, it is well worth releasing it as a single. It doesn't matter whether it's the 1st 3rd or 6th one off the album. If it's good enough, the single will be played on radio stations, and the album will go flying back up the charts. If they do decide to release No Doubt About It, probably best to wait until the album drops out of the top 20. I don’t agree. You can get away with that for perhaps three or four singles but after that I think even Radio 2 would lose interest. Let’s face it, they didn’t A-list Little Things at first. Also, by this point they’d be preaching to the converted. Radio 2’s audience will have heard the first three or four singles and most probably got the album (or not got it) based on that. A song that’s already been available to them for months isn’t going to sway many, though it might pick up a few sales. “Flying back up the charts” is wishful thinking. Once it drops considerably, it will be because most of the people who will ever get this album have already done so. If they haven’t been swayed by the four singles so far, they’re unlikely to. What’s needed is a new song (or two). We’re all going to be buying it again then, and that would lengthen its chart run. A fifth single using an existing track won’t, apart from in people’s imaginations. I’d probably get it physically if there was a fifth, but five one-track singles - even as souvenirs - would try my patience a bit. I seriously hope it doesn’t happen, but we’ll see. The album campaign supposedly finished in December and Little Things was therefore meant to be the end of it. Two issues here. 1, whether I would personally want to buy the single and 2, whether it would help the Voyage 'campaign'. First issue, I've had zero interest in buying any of the singles. I got the album and all the songs are on that. I'm not into collecting stuff, I'm only interested in the songs, so it will be of no personal benefit to me if more songs are released as singles. Second issue, will it help the album? Comparisons with Little Things' performance are largely irrelevant. Why? Little Things is awful. Many if not most reviews singled it out as the worst song on the album. And it seems that a large proportion of fans (but not all) feel the same way. Conversely, No Doubt About It is brilliant. Was described as a highlight in multiple reviews, and most fans feel similarly positively. So, it is likely to do a lot better than Little Things in terms of airplay and album impact. However, if it is only Radio 2 who playlist it, it will have a relatively small but still worthwhile impact on album sales. I would estimate that it will lift the album by at least 5 places assuming it's already out of the top 10. A new song would obviously be great but that is currently not something being offered or even hinted at (although we know there were two unfinished ones). Failing that, if there are no new songs before the Abbatar launch, releasing No Doubt About It in early May will be way better than not releasing anything. Remember, over 5.5 million people have bought Gold in the UK and less than 0.5 million have bought Voyage. It obviously won't match Gold's sales but it has the potential to sell a lot more i.e. probably well over a million. Most of my friends love Abba but just haven't got round to buying Voyage yet. PS final thing to add. If the current version of Voyage really is the last thing Abba ever do, do we really want Little Things to have been their last ever single? Surely we don't. No Doubt About It would see them going out with a bang. |
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So it leaves you with Another You Another Me and makes your theory collapse, unfortunately 
