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Post by tinnee on Feb 17, 2023 11:08:13 GMT
...and Frida and bjorn?
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 17, 2023 11:51:18 GMT
I was thinking the same myself, Tinnee. Sounds like the journalist had to rely on information made public through the Swedish revenue system. Frida's earnings will be more of a mystery to them, given that she lives between Switzerland and Mallorca (and possibly the UK?). But Bjorn - a Swedish citizen, resident in Stockholm - is a mystery here. Maybe his divorce makes his financial position too complicated to report on?
The album was a global hit, so a big uptick in earnings can't really be a surprise to Aftonbladet? I'd be surprised if the show has yielded much for them (as investors) yet - unless they're just four members of a larger conglomerate and have already broken even on their investments?
Delighted to hear about this success either way. Proof that great music lives on.
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Post by Alan on Feb 17, 2023 12:05:07 GMT
I don’t get the bit about 1222 AB - it says all four of them own a quarter each of the company but that Benny Andersson holds all the shares? Has something got a bit lost in translation there? You can’t have four-way ownership if only one person (via their company) holds all the shares?
Interesting (for the nerds like me) that Agnetha’s company is still active. It was credited on I Stand Alone and My Colouring Book, but there was no mention of it on “A” (how time flies - that album is 10 years old soon).
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Post by mark on Feb 17, 2023 19:04:15 GMT
Aftonbladet also published in November of 2021 "Unique mapping: Abbas' billions" (premium article behind pay wall), there you the revenue/tax annual report submitted by Bjorn, Benny and Agnetha. You can see that for 2020 Agnetha turnaround was SEK 9 million, Benny was profit was SEK 24 million, like is stated in the current article, the 2020 tax for Bjorn has no information about the profit for 2020, but his profit from the annual report for 2019 is SEK 175 million. Frida lives in Switzerland , there is no public tax/revenue information, but according to the business magazine BILANZ she is the number 249 in the list of the 300 richest people in Switzerland (2022) with assets of 250-300 million Swiss Francs. Below an article from "schweizer-illustrierte" about celebrities on the 2022 BILANZ list (Shania Twain,Anni-Frid Reuss,Tina turner, sebastian Vettel and Roger Federer), and also the "income, companies, properties, cars' from the the annual report for Bjorn, Benny and Agnetha.
From "schweizer-illustrierte"
The celebrities among the richest
Among the women in the richest list there are also some names that are known from the show business. These include, for example:
Shania Twain: CHF 400 to 450 million (209th) Anni-Frid Reuss (ABBA): CHF 250 to 300 million (249th place) Tina Turner: CHF 200 to 250 million (266)
And of course, the prominent names are not missing among the men. For example, Sebastian Vettel is in 253rd place with an estimated fortune of 250 to 300 million Swiss francs. And on place 160 Roger Federer with 700 to 800 million Swiss francs.
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Björn Ulvaeus – income, companies, properties, cars Age: 76 years.
2020:
Income from service: SEK 282,090 Deficit of capital: SEK 393 2019:
Income from service: SEK 2,893,318 Excess capital: SEK 909 2018:
Income from service: SEK 2,853,152 Excess capital: SEK 6,238
Company: Kopparnäset AB (parent company within the Group)
Björn owns 70 percent of the company, his wife Lena owns 10 percent and according to a minutes from the AGM from 2008, the remaining parts are owned by daughters Emma and Anna Ulvaeus.
Turnover 2020: SEK 8,527,000 Profit 2019: SEK 175,125,000 Assets of the company in 2019: SEK 1,616,959,000 Share dividend 2020: SEK 0
Real estate:
An agricultural property and a single-family house property in Värmdö municipality, both with beach plots, with an assessed value of SEK 7,058,000 and SEK 13,676,000 respectively. Two properties on Djursholm with a total assessed value of SEK 27,200,000.
Vehicle:
Tesla Model 3, red, model year 2020 Jaguar I-pace, blue, model year 2020 Toyota Rav4, white, model year 2017 ------------------------------------------------------------------
Benny Andersson – income, companies, properties, cars Age: 74 years.
2020:
Income from service: SEK 2,619,333 Deficit of active business activities: SEK 1,282,040 Excess capital: SEK 1,417,373 2019:
Income from service: SEK 2,578,980 Deficit of active business activities: SEK 1,208,318 Excess capital: SEK 11,388,904 2018:
Income from service: SEK 2,485,713 Deficit of active business activities: SEK 1,268,244 Excess capital: SEK 10,807,934
Company: Nyckelbrädan AB (parent company within the Group)
Benny owns 95 percent, his son Ludvig owns 5 percent of the company in the form of B-shares, according to a 2016 minutes of the meeting.
Turnover 2020: SEK 113,357,499 Profit 2020: SEK 24,930,422 Assets in the company 2020: SEK 632,031,846 Share dividend 2020: SEK 0
Real estate:
Two built-up agricultural properties in Svedala with an assessed value of SEK 5,747,000 and SEK 10,483,000 respectively. Built-up agricultural property in Trosa with a taxable value of SEK 17,790,000. Small houses on an unfree basis on Djurgården in Stockholm (the land on Djurgården is owned by the royal house) with a taxable value of SEK 13,800,000.
Vehicle:
Porsche Panamera Turbo S e-hybrid, grey, model year 2018 Toyota IQ, gray, model year 2012 Tractor Bolinder Munkt 230, green, model year 1956
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Agnetha Fältskog – income, companies, properties, cars Age: 71 years.
2020:
Income from service: SEK 1,858,092 Deficit of active business activities: SEK 6,009,526 Excess capital: SEK 322,863 2019:
Income from service: SEK 1,821,706 Deficit of active business activities: SEK 5,858,086 Excess capital: SEK 726,553 2018:
Income from service: SEK 1,782,456 Deficit of active business activities: SEK 5,696,953 Excess capital: SEK 5,241,091
Company: Agnetha Fältskog produktion AB
(100 percent owned by Agnetha Fältskog)
Turnover 2020: SEK 9,023,627 Profit 2020: SEK 7,588,546 Assets in the company 2020: SEK 114,466,600 Share dividend 2020: SEK 1,200,000
Real estate:
Single-family house property on Ekerö with a taxable value of SEK 2,781,000. Built-up agricultural property on Ekerö with an assessed value of SEK 27,453,000. Single-family house property in Båstad with a taxable value of SEK 8,993,000.
Vehicle:
Motorhome Fiat Capron T68, , multi-colored, model year 2020 Tractor John Deere 5070M, green, model year 2014 Lexus RX 450H, black, model year 2012
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Post by justabba on Feb 18, 2023 6:48:20 GMT
Benny and Sir Bryn Terfel attended the show last night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 8:02:48 GMT
I think it's unnecessary, intrusive and tasteless to post ABBA's tax and financial info online. Swedish law may allow this but this, to me, is a case of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
Mark, would you post their medical records if you could?
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Post by undertheappletree on Feb 18, 2023 9:26:16 GMT
I am sure the Abba members that live in Sweden accept this open Scrutiny of some of their estimated wealth/financial worth. And the bought media are always going to interested in publishing Celebrities worth trivia, whether factual or not, etc, you can buy a ticket and participate or not.
Was a little shocked that they include Vehicles and describe them. I think that this sort of transparency should be compulsory with all Government Persons, as we the Public Employ them, and Corruption is rife. Good riddance to the diminutive Poison Dwarf from Scotland.
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 18, 2023 10:15:22 GMT
Isn't that information available about every tax-paying citizen in Sweden? Feels a lot like a nosey-parker's charter. But if Sweden is some kind of exemplar when it comes to corruption, bring it on for everyone.
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Post by Alan on Feb 18, 2023 13:04:45 GMT
In a Kate Bush group on Facebook, I once posted a link to Kate Bush’s company, Noble & Brite Ltd, on Companies House as I thought some might find it of interest. I was lambasted for it - seems fans don’t want to know those sort of things, even when they’re in the public domain and anyone can Google them (I just did and found it with ease).
Companies House obviously doesn’t go into the kind of detail that this ABBA article did though. I’d agree that mentioning vehicles driven is a bit of a security risk and not relevant, but I’m afraid if the info is out there, it’s out there.
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Post by mark on Feb 18, 2023 13:57:14 GMT
Johnny I agree my publication is tasteless and unnecessary, as soon as I publish it I regreted, but I couldn't find a delete post as guest. I would never publish medical info, because is private, in other hand tax in Sweden is public information
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 18, 2023 14:51:18 GMT
You just shared a news article, Mark. It's not as though you personally trawled through ABBA's documents and posted something private. Nothing to beat yourself up for.
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Post by Alan on Feb 18, 2023 16:19:17 GMT
Johnny I agree my publication is tasteless and unnecessary, as soon as I publish it I regreted, but I couldn't find a delete post as guest. I would never publish medical info, because is private, in other hand tax in Sweden is public information As Hometime says, there really isn’t an issue. It’s public information whether some like that or not. I certainly never even considered deleting your post, and there was no need for you to think about it. My mentioning of vehicles driven wasn’t a criticism of you for including it, it was more a surprise that that level of detail is in the public domain in Sweden. I imagine Kate Bush hates the fact that her filed accounts and net assets are viewable by anyone (hence some fans getting offended on her behalf when I did that Facebook post) but it’s tough. And the same with ABBA.
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 18, 2023 18:57:17 GMT
What do you really think ? I’m guessing the vast majority of us on here are hoping / wishing for more....
I’ve just been playing around on you tube and came across various clips of ABBA ( Voyage ) in the studio, I’m beginning to wonder why they bothered? There appears to be no programme on how Voyage was created; Album and show... The show part I can understand more as it’s still ongoing, but the album ? It just seems such a shame that there is so much material out there and none of it will be even in a 30 minute programme...
Have they missed the boat, or was it never going to happen, or is there still a possibility that we may get something...
1 year anniversary for the show looms but the 1 year album has well and truly passed....
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Post by mark on Feb 18, 2023 20:14:32 GMT
The list of 300 richest people in Switzerland was published by BILANZ (most trusted business magazine in Switzerland) in November of 2022, here a little profile of Anni-frid Reuss(Frida) as #249 on the list, they talk about Voyage and as usual they portrait Frida , as they do with Agnetha, as a reclusive (lives a secluded life), the press will never change.
She didn't expect a big success anymore. At least that's what Anni-Frid Reuss (77), who lives a secluded life and hardly speaks publicly, said in one of her rare interviews with BBC Radio 2. But the tenth ABBA album, released at the end of 2021, shot to the top of the charts in many countries and stayed there there in Germany for 36 weeks and in Switzerland for 32 weeks - longer than in ABBA's homeland of Sweden, where the album was in first place for "only" 24 weeks. Given the age of the band members, it was probably the last big hit. However, Reuss said meaningfully: "Never say never." The new music and the virtual concerts in the ABBA Arena in London should add a few million to the singer, who resides above Lake Geneva.
(as of November 2022)
year position fortune 2016 241 275 million CHF 2017 248 275 million CHF 2018 242 275 million CHF 2019 246 275 million CHF 2020 241 275 million CHF 2022 249 275 million CHF (+/- 300 million USD, +/ 250 million GBP)
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Post by lamont on Feb 18, 2023 21:33:17 GMT
Just doing my nosey and I googled Frida’s company That deals with Frida’s royalties and it seems it is registered in Panama where information on its accounts are forbidden, and you don’t need to be a resident to hold a company there.
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Post by mark on Feb 18, 2023 22:33:27 GMT
Lamont, are you talking about this article published in 2008 mypanamalawyer.blogspot.com/2008/12/abba-singers-have-mixed-results.html, that talks about Bjorn and Frida, here the article about Frida: Frida will have to pay millions in taxes! The former star of ABBA Anni-Frid Reuss - Lyngstad - "Frida" - has to pay 12 million Swedish kronor in taxes and interest on revenue of music that were transferred to her company in the tax haven of Panama. This was decided by the Administrative Court of Appeal in Stockholm. While Björn Ulvaeus earlier this week won a lengthy lawsuit against the National Tax Director, and will get back 85 million Swedish kronor second decision of the Court's Administrative Council, is going in the opposite direction of the former companion of band Anni-Frid Reuss - Lyngstad. The company registered in Panama as Chaperon, for which she is the sole owner, received royalty revenues from Polar Music and Universal Music of the rights on ABBA products. The money was deposited in a bank account in Switzerland, where Anni-Frid Reuss - Lyngstad resides. This was discovered by the National Tax Directorate few years ago, when an inspection was done on tax returns of Chaperon, income for the period 2000-2002 as part of an investigation relating to payments of royalties from Sweden. Anni-Frid Reuss - Lyngstad is not required to pay tax in Sweden as she is not a resident there, but Chaperon is - which was also recognized when it submitted its income tax returns. However, the company claimed large reductions in spending - because of the acquisition of rights - which meant that it appeared the company was taking losses. The National Tax Directorate did not accept the deductions by Chaperon and imposed a fine of additional 38 million Swedish crowns its revenue during the period 2000-2002. This meant that Anni-Frid Reuss - Lyngstad is required to pay taxes and interest of approximately 12 million Swedish crowns. The former member of ABBA appealed the decision before the Court, but the appeal was rejected. Now the verdict was settled by the Administrative Court of Appeal in Stockholm.
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Post by lamont on Feb 19, 2023 6:41:58 GMT
It wasn’t Mark, just googled Chaperon and it came up that it is registered in Panama, that was an interesting read anyway.
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Post by Michal on Feb 19, 2023 8:05:49 GMT
What do you really think ? I’m guessing the vast majority of us on here are hoping / wishing for more.... .... Have they missed the boat, or was it never going to happen, or is there still a possibility that we may get something... 1 year anniversary for the show looms but the 1 year album has well and truly passed.... Yes, I'm still hoping for more. Not an entire new album but those two unreleased tracks or a completely new single or a documentary with all four taking part and reminiscing together. We must not forget that the most important anniversary of them all is yet to come. If nothing happens in 2024, I will probably reconcile to the fact that it is definitely over. But until then... And I'm really curious about the anniversary performance at the Voyage Arena on 27th May. Somehow I can't imagine they would organize a fan club-only night if there wasn't something special happening. I hope at least some of the ABBA members will attend the concert again. But I won't be disappointed if it is just an "ordinary" Voyage performance either, as the anniversary actually gave me an excuse to go again, which would othewise be difficult to justify.
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 19, 2023 11:58:20 GMT
I kinda think that any new material - whether the two unreleased tracks from the Voyage sessions, or something entirely new - are probably more likely in the context of the 50th anniversary of Eurovision. If they keep the rest of 2023 reasonably quiet, it could make any new releases feel like more of an event. My gut tells me that a new compilation (possibly padded with the unreleased songs) is a likely scenario. Might it also be an opportunity to replace the Eurovision footage with an ABBAtar performance of Waterloo? If they change up the setlist to include ST and TACOM, it could almost feel a little like a relaunch. Maybe?
Not long to wait to see whether/how they'll mark the anniversary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 1:52:21 GMT
As for new releases/songs, like Hometime I think next year is the most likely scenario. Nothing will happen this year.
I am reminded of Fleetwood Mac's 50 Year compilation. Different editions eg single CD and double CD. I don't think there will be a single ABBA CD/double vinyl - we have Gold.
But could (the most likely option) be a re-vamped Definitive Collection with maybe a new/unreleased song. But how could you have a song that was not deemed good enough for a studio album to be on a Best Of? You could point to More Gold and Lovelight. The 1982 songs on that album were never on a studio album before as no studio album for them to be on. But More Gold was a "B list" album. Any new compilation will probably feature big hits along with lesser known songs.
Or we could get a Thank You For the Music style box set re-revamp with a new and perhaps unreleased songs and a few Voyage songs.
I'd be amazed if we got a Beatles style Anthology set - Benny and Bjorn being like what they are.
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Post by justabba on Feb 20, 2023 7:45:26 GMT
Johnny, Benny never said the 2 unreleased songs were not good enough. Just that they hadn't finished them and didn't feel they were right for release "now". See his German TV interview from November 21 on YouTube.
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 20, 2023 8:20:10 GMT
It would be nice if they used the relative "lull" of 2023 to deliver the coloured singles/picture discs/half-speed master set for The Visitors.
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Post by undertheappletree on Feb 20, 2023 12:15:26 GMT
Abba Gold is Number 10 in the UK Album Charts this week, with sales of not much more than 4000, that's including the streaming equation.
I don't see the point in another greatest hits, just to Celebrate 50 Eurovision.
A rarities Album or a full Anthology, but then again; whatever; it's only going to be of interest to the ardent supporters, not the fickle masses. A limited Edition Anthology/Rarities would be nice with signed Autographs for Fans. And a nice little Photo Book with behind the scenes photos of their homes, cars, Gardens, and what they keep in their Fridge.
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Post by richard on Feb 20, 2023 12:52:34 GMT
I hope ABBA have the ambition and nerve to bring out something fresh and interesting for their 50th Anniversary in 2024, rather than yet another compilation to celebrate it. At their ages, I think Benny and Bjorn should be more relaxed about letting the public decide what's worthy of listening to. Yes, it's their music and their prerogative as to what gets released, but they have have held different opinions about their songs and recordings before, and some tracks they like have not been equally liked by fans.
It's all a bit precious and unnecessary, I think, when one considers the alternative takes that great jazz musicians have recorded and released over the decades. OK, pop isn't jazz, but maybe it should be a bit more like it in terms of allowing more material to be released.
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Post by BAAB on Feb 20, 2023 13:12:24 GMT
Benny said in the German TV Interview about the 2 unreleased songs: "They are quite good stuff I'd say, but they require some additional work to be done to release them".
That's what he said! How come that we read often that those two songs are not good enough for a release??? ABBA
IF they will be released by ABBA is another question. We don't know, if Agnetha and Frida have actually recorded their part.
Could even be that they are included on the next BAO Album in a BAO Version...
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Post by gary on Feb 21, 2023 10:14:37 GMT
Sorry, this may have been discussed before. Do we know why Benny considers Money, Money, Money unsuitable for the Voyage show? I always thought that he had a high opinion of the song.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 10:45:45 GMT
Abba Gold is Number 10 in the UK Album Charts this week, with sales of not much more than 4000, that's including the streaming equation. I don't see the point in another greatest hits, just to Celebrate 50 Eurovision. A rarities Album or a full Anthology, but then again; whatever; it's only going to be of interest to the ardent supporters, not the fickle masses. Exactly. I think though if there is a release next year it will probably be yet another compilation. Benny did indeed say the two unreleased songs were "quite good" but clearly not good enough to be on Voyage at the time. Something can be both "quite good" yet at same time "not good enough". I don't know why Benny ever mentioned them if they are never going to be released. It will just annoy the most ardent fans. He said they were unfinished, so will ABBA finish them? What needs to be done? I would find it odd that a song or two that didn't make a studio album/or single finds its ways on to a Hits compilation. Not so odd if on a Rarities type album.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 12:15:28 GMT
If there is some sort of release next year what do people a) want it to be and b) expect it to be?
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 21, 2023 15:16:32 GMT
God knows what they can release that would please everyone, the label, the fans, the general public, themselves... nothing really comes to mind that would be a big success. Another compilation with those two added tracks, it wouldn’t sell very well, so no return for the label, after all it’s not going to be another Voyage, most albums sell under 50,000 to get to number one, some considerably less, here in the UK, so no great revenue there, and it cant be full of the old classics and a couple from voyage, the fans have them all... two single releases won’t do much, as for themselves , who knows....
So it may be a no win for everyone, of course a compilation of rarities would go down well with the fans , especially , love or hate JLT featured, but would it encourage the casual fan.. doubt it , unless promoted as a new studio album of rarities...but would it really please ......with some tracks , decades old !
Alas, it may be another compilation, which just a few thousand will buy, mainly “ us” if it includes those two tracks....but not many others....
Tend to agree 2023 may be quiet. A possible set change be in the show, but not much else and one final hurrah in 2024...
We wait.....
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 21, 2023 15:39:07 GMT
It's a hard one to figure out. Lots of acts are still putting out compilations but probably not when a previous one is still charting so well (Top 10 this week?!). I think re-packaged, expanded reissues seem to be the best business for heritage acts, but what can they do on that front? They've released everything on picture disc, they've released everything on coloured vinyl. The ideal scenario is an anthology with some outtakes, new tracks and possibly even remixes. While they've been resistant to that before, I'd kinda hope that re-approaching the songs for the Voyage show might have given them a fresh perspective.
For the most part, the Voyage performances don't deviate too much from the recorded versions. But the revised WAISAD and the segued LAYLOM/SNC medley might be nice replacements for studio versions on a compilation. Throw in the two Voyage off-cuts, a bunch of No.1s, maybe a documentary track (along the lines of FATSTAPA or The Chiquitita Story), maybe a live version of Waterloo or something. Labels seem to be issuing compilations in multidisc variants these days, so spreading the rare/new stuff across the formats would be a good/cynical way of getting the completists to part with their dosh.
My wish would be for a decent anthology: a broader more detailed one in a box set, maybe; and a hits-heavy condensed version across a 1 or 2 CD set.
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