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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 26, 2021 10:26:05 GMT
I'll be grateful if there is a hidden track. But I wonder how the rumour lines up with the running times that were leaked/rumoured? Back when hidden tracks were a fad, the final "official" tracks seemed to have unusually long running times on the CD reader - to account for two songs and a chunk of silence on the same track. I have an album (but I can't remember which one) that has a bonus track that appears after five or six ten-second silent tracks. That makes it so much easier to upload the CD to the computer and make playlists etc and to play the secret track on its own. And yes, I remember Kylie's Password too - that was fun.
I guess we'll all find out in about 6 weeks!
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Post by Alan on Sept 26, 2021 10:48:29 GMT
I suppose this album is of a similar length to "Arrival" and nobody complained back then. Also, nobody complained (that I can remember) when "The Album" and "The Visitors" had only nine tracks… The Visitors and The Album are both actually longer than Voyage (though The Visitors is only about 30 seconds longer). As a recap: 35:43 Ring Ring (12 tracks) 35:25 Waterloo (11) 36:09 ABBA (11) 33:09 Arrival (10) 40:01 The Album (9) 41:43 Voulez-Vous (10) 41:53 Super Trouper (10) 37:39 The Visitors (9) 37:03 Voyage (10) It’s possible the vinyl delays (not enough pressing plants) are a factor. With so many configurations, they’d be producing double if the album was split over two vinyl discs. Also, it does match the length of their other albums. If Super Trouper is their longest album, it’s only less than five minutes longer than Voyage. |
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Post by lamont on Sept 26, 2021 10:53:15 GMT
I'll be grateful if there is a hidden track. But I wonder how the rumour lines up with the running times that were leaked/rumoured? Back when hidden tracks were a fad, the final "official" tracks seemed to have unusually long running times on the CD reader - to account for two songs and a chunk of silence on the same track. I have an album (but I can't remember which one) that has a bonus track that appears after five or six ten-second silent tracks. That makes it so much easier to upload the CD to the computer and make playlists etc and to play the secret track on its own. And yes, I remember Kylie's Password too - that was fun. I guess we'll all find out in about 6 weeks! All these wee rumours add to the fun of a new ABBA album! |
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Post by Alan on Sept 26, 2021 10:57:52 GMT
Kylie’s Light Years CD had a hidden track, but it was before track 1, which meant when you played first track, you had to rewind, to get to hidden track, rather ingenious. Oddly enough the track was called Password. And the album turned 21 years old on the 25th September. I’ve had that CD the full 21 years and never knew that! I’ll have to check it out. It’s 3:50 so is a full length track. I’m familiar with the hidden tracks that come after a long gap of silence. Robbie Williams’ I’ve Been Expecting You (1998) has two tracks, both after long gaps. I find it a bit annoying having to wait. I hope ABBA haven’t done this, unless the track is Just Like That or something that doesn’t belong on the album proper. |
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Post by justabba on Sept 26, 2021 11:04:36 GMT
Kylie’s Light Years CD had a hidden track, but it was before track 1, which meant when you played first track, you had to rewind, to get to hidden track, rather ingenious. Oddly enough the track was called Password. And the album turned 21 years old on the 25th September. I’ve had that CD the full 21 years and never knew that! I’ll have to check it out. It’s 3:50 so is a full length track. I’m familiar with the hidden tracks that come after a long gap of silence. Robbie Williams’ I’ve Been Expecting You (1998) has two tracks, both after long gaps. I find it a bit annoying having to wait. I hope ABBA haven’t done this, unless the track is Just Like That or something that doesn’t belong on the album proper. I remember the pet shop boys had a hidden track that seemed to play like 5 minutes later. Nearly had a heart attack the first time I heard the piano chords!! |
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Post by Alan on Sept 26, 2021 11:12:53 GMT
justabba, that must be their “Very” album you’re referring to. Hidden track is “Postscript (I Believe in Ecstasy)” sung by Chris Lowe. I first got that album in its later deluxe edition, so was always aware of the track as it was mentioned in the booklet.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 26, 2021 11:13:39 GMT
I'm just being greedy, wanting as much as I can while we can..... lol
Ill be happy with the album to be honest, but wouldn't it be lovely to have more... human nature is to HOPE......
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Post by richard on Sept 26, 2021 11:14:31 GMT
When I think back to recordings of pop/rock songs from the '60s, especially, they're quite short, often 3 minutes or less, yet, for me, they work - I feel they're the 'right' length. Recording constraints at the time no doubt had a lot to do with it - but not entirely. And maybe any such constraints enforced a good discipline on songwriters and other musicians of the time? Not referring to ABBA here, but I think there's quite a bit ot of 'padding it out' in recent times with lots of repetitions of instrumental riffs and chorus hooks.
I've often thought: 'OK, I've got it, already'.
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Post by lamont on Sept 26, 2021 12:56:36 GMT
When I think back to recordings of pop/rock songs from the '60s, especially, they're quite short, often 3 minutes or less, yet, for me, they work - I feel they're the 'right' length. Recording constraints at the time no doubt had a lot to do with it - but not entirely. And maybe any such constraints enforced a good discipline on songwriters and other musicians of the time? Not referring to ABBA here, but I think there's quite a bit ot of 'padding it out' in recent times with lots of repetitions of instrumental riffs and chorus hooks. I've often thought: 'OK, I've got it, already'. It’s rumoured that tracks are so short these days, as the youth have such short attention spans, Kylie’s Disco album from last year, the songs are so short, Last Chance, which is a Voulez Vous rewrite, could be at least two minutes longer, to let the song breathe. |
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Post by richard on Sept 26, 2021 14:34:01 GMT
When I think back to recordings of pop/rock songs from the '60s, especially, they're quite short, often 3 minutes or less, yet, for me, they work - I feel they're the 'right' length. Recording constraints at the time no doubt had a lot to do with it - but not entirely. And maybe any such constraints enforced a good discipline on songwriters and other musicians of the time? Not referring to ABBA here, but I think there's quite a bit ot of 'padding it out' in recent times with lots of repetitions of instrumental riffs and chorus hooks. I've often thought: 'OK, I've got it, already'. It’s rumoured that tracks are so short these days, as the youth have such short attention spans, Kylie’s Disco album from last year, the songs are so short, Last Chance, which is a Voulez Vous rewrite, could be at least two minutes longer, to let the song breathe. I'm sure you're right about attention spans, and that it does depend on the individual song as to its best length. But I think most pop songs of the past were AABA form: two verses, an eight bar bridge (middle eight), and a repeat of A. This structure would usually be repeated with a 'climax tag' ending added to the final verse. Such songs often had catchy, chorus-like melodies on the title line, but not choruses as such, as understood nowadays. (The great old jazz standards were mostly AABA, too.) In this popular song format, about 3 minutes seems to work very well - to my ears, anyway! But I think most ABBA songs are verse and chorus, and it'll be interesting if the songs on the Voyage album mainly take that form as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 15:56:22 GMT
When I think back to recordings of pop/rock songs from the '60s, especially, they're quite short, often 3 minutes or less, yet, for me, they work - I feel they're the 'right' length. Recording constraints at the time no doubt had a lot to do with it - but not entirely. And maybe any such constraints enforced a good discipline on songwriters and other musicians of the time? Not referring to ABBA here, but I think there's quite a bit ot of 'padding it out' in recent times with lots of repetitions of instrumental riffs and chorus hooks. I've often thought: 'OK, I've got it, already'. I agree. Many great pop songs are very short. I will mention an ABBA song that is "padded out" - Gimme Gimme Gimme. No need for that 'bridge' about 2/3 through the song. If It Wasn't for the Nights abd I am the City too long as well. They are just repetitive. |
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Post by Michel on Sept 26, 2021 18:05:32 GMT
The long CDs were usually too long for me - more time demanding and sometimes made listening to an album a labour. My ideal is to have 10-12 good and varied tracks on an album with a total length of 40-45 minutes, although some types of music obviously warrant fewer but longer tracks. Completely agree with that! With the introduction of CD, artists or record labels apparently felt that they had to fill all the space on the disc. I feel there are many examples of albums where this approach actually made the albums weaker than they had to be. I like to listen to an album as a complete body of work and sometimes I find myself becoming impatient for certain albums to end, because they are simply too long. "Invincible" by Michael Jackson is an example for me, at 77 minutes long. "Patience" by George Michael, at 71 minutes is another. I feel these albums could have been improved greatly if they had been edited by making the songs shorter and/or taking certain songs off the tracklist completely. |
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Post by madonnabba on Sept 27, 2021 7:23:13 GMT
Picking up on something I read that the songs would not be used in a Mamma Mia 111 and it was reported that Bjorn said that the album tells a story on its own. Makes me wonder now if the album and songs were written with that in mind. Would explain the intros and endings which would easily lead in and out of any narrative. A good script centred around the album could make the album a perfect soundtrack especially if centred around Christmas. Those movies just run and run for weeks before Christmas every year. A good soundtrack sells well. The Greatest Showman has proven that. Just a thought. Eagerly awaiting the album. What a journey it has been so far!
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 27, 2021 8:17:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 9:40:32 GMT
Johnny - "I will mention an ABBA song that is "padded out" - Gimme Gimme Gimme".
I totally agree on this one! never really liked that part.
Any thoughts on Bjorn having a lead on Voyage?! no disrespect to Bjorn, but none of his solo lead songs have ever been in my top 20! I have to say that my main reason for wanting ABBA to reform has been to hear Agnetha and Frida singing 'together' again! On Don't Shut Me Down, that second chorus in particular is heaven!!
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Post by gamleman on Sept 27, 2021 10:02:27 GMT
Johnny - "I will mention an ABBA song that is "padded out" - Gimme Gimme Gimme". I totally agree on this one! never really liked that part. Any thoughts on Bjorn having a lead on Voyage?! no disrespect to Bjorn, but none of his solo lead songs have ever been in my top 20! I have to say that my main reason for wanting ABBA to reform has been to hear Agnetha and Frida singing 'together' again! On Don't Shut Me Down, that second chorus in particular is heaven!! I think Ode to Freedom could very well be an instrumental. I actually like the instrumental diversion in "Gimme Gimme Gimme". If I had to choose an ABBA song that was perhaps too long, I would say "Voulez-vous", as it is fairly uniform (I won't go as far as saying monotonous). I really hope there aren't any Bjorn-led songs on "Voyage", although I will allow him a brief solo stint, as in "Honey Honey"  "Ode to Freedom" is unlikely to be an instrumental, as the word 'Ode' suggests lyrics. I am imagining it will be a simple song with a bare arrangement that will provide a relatively quiet ending to the album. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 10:21:06 GMT
Sorry, yes of course you are correct about Ode to Freedom. Maybe will be in a similar vein to LAAPTMR? (hopefully with both Frida and Agnetha - I so want to hear them sing a song together all the way through)!
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Post by Alan on Sept 27, 2021 10:40:27 GMT
Someone already posted here a few days ago that the ABBA Fan Club magazine has confirmed there are no instrumentals on the album (also that Bumble Bee is a completely new composition and that Just A Notion has a new backing track).
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Post by justabba on Sept 27, 2021 11:29:52 GMT
On one of the many photos circulating the internet of the 4 in the studio, there is one where Frida is clearly holding a lyric sheet with "ode to freedom " as the title.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 13:38:25 GMT
Thank you Alan. I am intrigued about the Just A Notion new backing track! And thank you justabba - I will try and find some more photos!
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 28, 2021 7:19:04 GMT
FYI...
DSMD is down 10 places to 52 in the UK midweek charts, potentially its 4th week.
Its possible that it could hang around for a while, we will see.
ISHFIY is not in the top 100.
Momentum seems for the moment to have slowed, nothing else to get excited about ( lol ) for 4 weeks.. and the whole of October to go.......
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 28, 2021 17:23:39 GMT
Graham -- The Official Charts Company compare Last Week's Monday Up-Date to this Week's.
But, you don't do that, to see how fast, (or slow), a Single is falling. You look at ABBA in this
Week's Monday Up-Date - No.52 and you compare it to last Friday's Weekly Chart - No.47. So,
it has only fallen 5 Positions since Friday's Chart. It is not falling terribly fast at all. It may yet
manage more than a Month in the UK Singles Top 100. With 'ABBA Gold' only down from No.7
on Friday, to No.8 on Monday. Its 64th Top 10 Week. If it can reach 65 Top 10 Weeks, it gains
another UK Chart Record. As it is, it achieved a new UK Chart Feat, when it reached 63 Top 10
Weeks, last Week.
I'm now wondering if 'ABBA Gold' and 'Voyage' will both be in the Top 10, in November. If 'Gold'
can be in the Top 10, it'll be the first time since 1977, that ABBA have had 2 UK Top 10 Albums,
at the same time.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 28, 2021 18:04:45 GMT
^^^Im still perplexed in the stance of the Official Charts Company and their reluctance to acknowledge the Top 100 as the official chart, where as only the top 75 is actually counted, in both singles and UK album charts, the fact that all the “facts “ including Golds 1000 plus weeks is regarded as being the longest album on the charts in the top 100.. Is it still the longest in top 75 for instance...
It’s very confusing really, all simplified by just using the top 100....
Why the reluctance
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Post by lamont on Sept 28, 2021 18:52:33 GMT
Graham -- The Official Charts Company compare Last Week's Monday Up-Date to this Week's. But, you don't do that, to see how fast, (or slow), a Single is falling. You look at ABBA in this Week's Monday Up-Date - No.52 and you compare it to last Friday's Weekly Chart - No.47. So, it has only fallen 5 Positions since Friday's Chart. It is not falling terribly fast at all. It may yet manage more than a Month in the UK Singles Top 100. With 'ABBA Gold' only down from No.7 on Friday, to No.8 on Monday. Its 64th Top 10 Week. If it can reach 65 Top 10 Weeks, it gains another UK Chart Record. As it is, it achieved a new UK Chart Feat, when it reached 63 Top 10 Weeks, last Week. I'm now wondering if 'ABBA Gold' and 'Voyage' will both be in the Top 10, in November. If 'Gold' can be in the Top 10, it'll be the first time since 1977, that ABBA have had 2 UK Top 10 Albums, at the same time. Hi Colin, did ABBA ever hold top 2 positions in Album charts? |
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Post by richard on Sept 29, 2021 11:32:32 GMT
I hope we don't want to continue post to this thread when the Voyage album is released November 5th, and that the album, and discussion of individual tracks, will get a thread to itself in The Music section. I'm assuming that will happen, anyway, but I thought I'd mention it now. At the moment, everything related to the new songs - or anything else vaguely ABBA music-related it feels to me - seemingly comes through this thread.
Has the admin. and moderator, respectively, lost interest? Hope it's not due to illness.
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 29, 2021 14:24:49 GMT
I hope we don't want to continue post to this thread when the Voyage album is released November 5th, and that the album, and discussion of individual tracks, will get a thread to itself in The Music section. I'm assuming that will happen, anyway, but I thought I'd mention it now. At the moment, everything related to the new songs - or anything else vaguely ABBA music-related it feels to me - seemingly comes through this thread. Has the admin. and moderator, respectively, lost interest? Hope it's not due to illness. Good points but I think we're all free to start up new threads. I started one about airplay/reviews for the new singles, and also one on what we actually know about the 10 announced songs. Guess people still tend to post stuff to this one by default though. |
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 29, 2021 15:40:52 GMT
Its a tough one, even now there are very few of us that actually post, so as said above, I guess many go to this thread by default, just to catch up on any news.
I'm guilty of it myself and to post any random news..
So I guess we can but try. We just need more posters really and the threads will come......
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 29, 2021 20:56:43 GMT
I Post in this Thread, because it is the one that gets the most attention. However, I have just Posted in the
'What do we know about the New Songs' Thread. The Post tells us more about 'Voyage' - if Fans want to go
there. (Fans of ABBA! Not Fans of Colin!).
Once 'Voyage' is Released, we can start a Thread all about it - and its success around the World. So, we will
not come to this Thread so much. I know that some Fans want us to start New Threads. It will be done. I'm
always scared, that no-one will notice, if I start a New Thread! Also, I Posted in the Thread, (that I started),
about the 'Mamma Mia!' Songs, that have got Silver Sales Award, (200,000+), in the UK. There are now 8
of them. Some from each of the 2 Films.
'Voyage' will be a Global success. Streaming is not so important in Global Album Charts. That includes the UK.
It will be interesting to see how many Countries it is No.1 in. Or No.2 in, if the 'Ed Factor' is in its way, in a
lot of Countries. It is incredible, how someone who looks and sounds, so ordinary, can sell so many Records!
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