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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 1, 2021 7:01:08 GMT
A lot of Fans seem to be a bit concerned, that any New ABBA Album, (or 'Singles'),
will only be Released Digitally. I think that there will be Physical, (CD's, Vinyl etc.),
Releases too. After all, of 'ABBA Gold' 5,800,000+ UK Sales, over 4 Million are
on CD. On 1st October 2012, The Official UK Charts Company reported that 'Gold'
had reached 4 Million UK CD Sales. It was the most - ever - for a UK Album. Both
ABBA and Universal Music, will want to cash in on the Millions, who bought CD's
of 'ABBA Gold'. They know that a lot of ABBA Fans don't 'Stream', and a lot don't
Download either. I have never Streamed any Music, and I've Downloaded just 1
Song. I buy all of my Albums on CD - from Amazon.
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 1, 2021 7:13:23 GMT
A lot of Fans seem to be a bit concerned, that any New ABBA Album, (or 'Singles'), will only be Released Digitally. I think that there will be Physical, (CD's, Vinyl etc.), Releases too. After all, of 'ABBA Gold' 5,800,000+ UK Sales, over 4 Million are on CD. On 1st October 2012, The Official UK Charts Company reported that 'Gold' had reached 4 Million UK CD Sales. It was the most - ever - for a UK Album. Both ABBA and Universal Music, will want to cash in on the Millions, who bought CD's of 'ABBA Gold'. They know that a lot of ABBA Fans don't 'Stream', and a lot don't Download either. I have never Streamed any Music, and I've Downloaded just 1 Song. I buy all of my Albums on CD - from Amazon. Yep, there will definitely be physical products. Digital-only releases are just by tiny/obscure acts. They might, however, release the digital album a week or two in advance of the CD. That will help to stop it leaking, and it will also weaken the impact of reviews (negative or positive) as journalists won't have had a copy weeks in advance. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 1, 2021 8:04:10 GMT
I’d like to think there’s something in it. The rest of what this person said seems plausible. If you’re going to make up the bit about ten songs then why stop there? May as well say that all four of them appear together in the EPK, or that they have filmed a video for one of the songs with all four of them in it. It was eight years ago now, but Agnetha did widely promote her solo album back in 2013. At one point it seemed like every TV or radio programme worth mentioning had an interview with her and she seemed quite comfortable in all of them. I therefore don’t think she doesn’t want to be more involved, but we’ll see. My guess is that they know that seeing A&F together again is a huge draw. If they give the farm away in the EPK, it could mean that the journos could be very slightly less breathless and excited tomorrow. Plus, with a three-month album campaign ahead, new clips over that period that include all four members and/or just F&A means there's something fresh for the media to report on. Seeing all four of them together in an official capacity as ABBA is nearly as big a deal as the new music. And you're so right about Agnetha: she really seemed to enjoy the promo for A. I bet that she and Frida are delighted to use the Voyage website and YouTube to livestream what they want, when they want. It takes them out of the hands of TV stations. They reach the public on their own terms. No cheesy chat-show scenarios, with interviews that wander off in stupid directions. No more hauling ass all over the place to promote a single. Appear as often or as rarely as you need. Control the content of what's broadcast. I think it's a genius move. |
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Post by gamleman on Sept 1, 2021 8:05:01 GMT
I will believe this news only when I hear it in the official announcement. However, I am now optimistic due to the use of one word in the ABBA Voyage official communications - 'historic'. This is a strong word for the announcement of the ABBAtars shows and/or a single we know has been coming for three years and/or even a new compilation with up to five new songs. Coupled with all the 'ABBA Voyage' fanfare, my gut instinct tells me this means an entirely new studio album. If they wanted a release date on the Friday closest to the 40-year anniversary of their last studio album, "The Visitors", I suppose 3rd December would be the date or 10th December if based on the UK release date?
Why did the ABBA Voyage site ask us to register with them, yet they are not sending us e-mails to alert us of the promotions like the song notes and the time/date of the live stream - not even a link for the live stream. These promotions are emerging quietly and the site's home page is still relatively uninformative. And it seems the live stream will largely be done via youtube. So what is the site going to be used for?
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2021 8:58:35 GMT
Why did the ABBA Voyage site ask us to register with them, yet they are not sending us e-mails to alert us of the promotions like the song notes and the time/date of the live stream - not even a link for the live stream. These promotions are emerging quietly and the site's home page is still relatively uninformative. And it seems the live stream will largely be done via youtube. So what is the site going to be used for? I got an email to notify me of the live stream taking place at 17:45 on Thursday. As I also follow both ABBA and ABBA Voyage on Facebook, I got it twice in my newsfeed on there as well. The email arrived at 07:16 BST/WET this morning and now shows the countdown in days, hours, minutes and seconds with a link to the site on YouTube. The ABBA Voyage Facebook page also has some photos of the promotion in London - billboards using the logo and the four globes. The six song notes thing is also on it (the “trailer” isn’t as it’s not official). |
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 1, 2021 9:27:09 GMT
I'm just waiting for a few more hours !! after all whats that compared to 40 years...
It was bound to happen, so much speculation, yes its exciting, to think we are going to get something and perhaps tomorrow we will know if we are to get a new album.
Christmas would be a perfect time to release, from a business point of view, it will make loads of money, and dare i say far enough away from Ed Sheerans' latest album to make a huge impact. Personally and I know its not universally liked, but would like to think if its a Christmas release, that there is a seasonal track.
But hey here i/we go again.. speculating...
Time will tell...fairly soon now..phew...
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Post by justabba on Sept 1, 2021 10:11:54 GMT
Janne has just retracted his statement regarding an abba album. He says the words were ill chosen and he didn't mean to imply the songs are making up an album....
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Post by richard on Sept 1, 2021 11:46:58 GMT
And I was getting all excited about a new 10-track album - until this splash of cold water!   |
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Post by justabba on Sept 1, 2021 11:51:44 GMT
And I was getting all excited about a new 10-track album - until this splash of cold water! Me too, very disappointing isn't it? |
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Post by richard on Sept 1, 2021 12:11:30 GMT
It is. But I'm still hoping that, in the process of writing and recording the five (?) songs, they decided that they might as well carry on and record a few more for an album. A wonderful parting gift for fans.
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Post by jj on Sept 1, 2021 12:47:43 GMT
You would think that, given in all this long, long time, they would have recorded at least three or four more songs which they've managed to discuss, hum and haw over, to hone and improve on, to embellish or strip down, to thoroughly experiment with until all three or four extra songs were deemed excellent and meeting their very high standards. And even for three or four MORE songs to have been recorded too, of the quality of say "You Owe Me One" or "Crazy World", to be shelved or put in the dustbin.
You'd think they'd have had plenty of time to make enough songs for a bloomin' album full of really excellent material in the last 4 years! FOUR YEARS. Four whole years.
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2021 12:52:01 GMT
Janne has just retracted his statement regarding an abba album. He says the words were ill chosen and he didn't mean to imply the songs are making up an album.... And I was getting all excited about a new 10-track album - until this splash of cold water! I’d almost forgotten about Janne Shaffer’s comments. In any case, they’ve been superseded by whoever has supposedly seen the Electronic Press Kit. That’s where the “10 songs” thing comes from, not Janne. We can still hope that they really did see the EPK and that the 10 song bit was clearly mentioned in it. The PopJustice forum page that revealed that there are [allegedly] ten songs: forum.popjustice.com/threads/abba-i-still-have-faith-in-you.67379/page-22 |
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Post by catfood on Sept 1, 2021 13:32:37 GMT
Janne has just retracted his statement regarding an abba album. He says the words were ill chosen and he didn't mean to imply the songs are making up an album.... And I was getting all excited about a new 10-track album - until this splash of cold water! I’d almost forgotten about Janne Shaffer’s comments. In any case, they’ve been superseded by whoever has supposedly seen the Electronic Press Kit. That’s where the “10 songs” thing comes from, not Janne. We can still hope that they really did see the EPK and that the 10 song bit was clearly mentioned in it. The PopJustice forum page that revealed that there are [allegedly] ten songs: forum.popjustice.com/threads/abba-i-still-have-faith-in-you.67379/page-22
So the info might be legit.
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Post by catfood on Sept 1, 2021 13:39:14 GMT
Someone pointed out on popjustice that 'Faith' will be the first first-single-off-ABBA-album which has Frida on lead. I like that a lot, as it's not what perhaps most people will expect. I'm wondering how conscious that decision was, I mean when they developed the track etc. Wasn't Frida kinda envious that Agnetha got to sing 'Winner'?
An unrelated random thought: I hope the tracks won't be 2-3 minute short which is 'all the rage' these days. I doubt it though. 'Fait' is apparently 5+ minutes and 'Shut' about 4 mins (now where did I read that info?)
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Post by jj on Sept 1, 2021 13:49:27 GMT
Well the last two singles released by ABBA, when they were active, both had Agnetha on lead vocals, so I guess it's only fair to have a Frida lead vocal on the first new ABBA single since "Under Attack".
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2021 14:03:38 GMT
Well the last two singles released by ABBA, when they were active, both had Agnetha on lead vocals, so I guess it's only fair to have a Frida lead vocal on the first new ABBA single since "Under Attack". Even to this day it still seems odd that five of the last six official ABBA singles (so I’m not even including Lay All Your Love on Me or the post-humous Thank You For The Music) were Agnetha-led. Prior to The Winner Takes It All, Agnetha had only had three leads in total, and only one prior to 1979. Frida had three (out of four singles) from 1976 to 1977 but only two after that (I’m counting The Name of The Game as a joint lead as both had solo parts in it ). |
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Post by richard on Sept 1, 2021 14:18:11 GMT
You would think that, given in all this long, long time, they would have recorded at least three or four more songs which they've managed to discuss, hum and haw over, to hone and improve on, to embellish or strip down, to thoroughly experiment with until all three or four extra songs were deemed excellent and meeting their very high standards. And even for three or four MORE songs to have been recorded too, of the quality of say "You Owe Me One" or "Crazy World", to be shelved or put in the dustbin.
You'd think they'd have had plenty of time to make enough songs for a bloomin' album full of really excellent material in the last 4 years! FOUR YEARS. Four whole years.
I agree. In this thread about 10 years ago - feels like it, anyway! - I mentioned that we should be grateful that the avatar project was the instigator for all four of them getting back t in the studio to record together after more than 30 years. But that process didn't seem to inspire them to want to record a lot more: for a long time it was only about those two new songs - despite Bjorn's positive words about their experience. Indeed, if making music together really mattered a lot to them, they have had plenty of time to have brought out a new album well before now, with another just about ready to go. Depending on their energy and creativity levels, of course. But perhaps they've been keeping a lot up their sleeves, and perhaps we'll very soon find out. Hope so! |
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Post by jj on Sept 1, 2021 14:21:29 GMT
I'm completely baffled by your maths here and why you decided to not include LAYLOM as an Agnetha lead vocal. And why have you also not included SOS as an Agnetha lead, either? Please help. I don't understand your numbers. 
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 1, 2021 16:07:12 GMT
If it turns out that there is no New ABBA Album, but 'only' 5 New Songs, then Universal
have to decide how to Release them. 'Old' Acts, tend not to generate a lot of cash via
Singles. EP's don't Chart in the UK. So, if they are Released as an EP, we can forget
about seeing them in the Singles, or Albums Charts.
If there are 5 New Songs, it looks like Universal will Release another ABBA Compilation
- with the 5 Tracks added. I know that most Fans don't want that, and see it as them
trying to exploit us, by using the New Songs as 'Bait'. Or they could simply add a 2nd
Disk to 'ABBA Gold'. Call it 'ABBA Gold - The Voyage', and Release the 5 Songs that way.
Again - I know that ABBA Fans don't want the New Songs Released that way, either.
I realise that we look like getting the 1st 2 tomorrow. They will be allowed to Chart
separately. Even if they are on the same CD and Vinyl Singles, the Digital and Stream
versions, will be Listed as separate Releases - so both 'Sides' can Chart. When I write
about the New Songs going on a New Compilation, or a 2nd Disk with 'Gold', I refer to
the 5 New Songs, when it is time for them to be Released together - on an Album. It
is from some kind of ABBA Album, that Universal - and ABBA - will generate the most
cash. Not from any Singles. However ABBA Release any Singles, they will not be able
to have more than 3 UK Top 100 Hits, at the same time. The UK Charts Company made
that Rule, in March 2017, when Ed Sheeran had 16 Tracks, in the UK Top 20 - at the
same time! To stop it ever happening again, they made the 'Only 3 Hits at once', Rule.
Despite Janne Schaffer taking back his New ABBA Album remarks, we may still get a
New ABBA Album. He's obviously been told off, by Gorel Hanser. but, that does not
mean that he was wrong. It may be, that the 'Plan' is for ABBA, to announce a New
Album, and Gorel is very angry that Janne announced it too soon. We will have to
see what ABBA tell us tomorrow. Waiting is all that we can do.
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2021 16:20:56 GMT
I'm completely baffled by your maths here and why you decided to not include LAYLOM as an Agnetha lead vocal. And why have you also not included SOS as an Agnetha lead, either? Please help. I don't understand your numbers. I'm sorry, please tell me why you don't include Lay All Your Love on Me. It was a very quickly written post, did I miss anything out? I did include SOS though (as the one Agnetha lead prior to 1979). Frida leads on official (Polar-released) singles: Fernando, Money Money Money, Knowing Me Knowing You, I Have A Dream, Super Trouper (5) Agnetha leads on official (Polar-released) singles: SOS, Chiquitita, Gimme Gimme Gimme, The Winner Takes It All, One of Us, Head Over Heels, The Day Before You Came, Under Attack (8) Lay All Your Love on Me was not released as a single by Polar originally anywhere in Scandinavia. I would want to include it but it would just further add to Agnetha’s total, and it could then be argued that, say, When All Is Said and Done should be included as well. I’ve therefore stopped at the singles released by Polar in any Scandinavian country from 1972 to 1982, not ones released only by licensees. LAYLOM is famous enough now to be thought of as a proper single (as it’s on Gold) but it wasn’t. The 29 official (Polar-released) English language singles are the 23 on the ABBA - The Singles compilation in 1982, plus People Need Love, He Is Your Brother, Love Isn’t Easy, Honey Honey, Eagle and Head Over Heels. Any other singles not included in those 29 were released by licensees only. Despite the single leads in Agnetha’s favour, the albums were roughly split 50-50. |
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Post by gamleman on Sept 1, 2021 16:41:30 GMT
One addition - the original version of Ring Ring is led by Agnetha.
This actually raises a fun question about the songs they sing in unison. On some songs, I think one is louder than the other....
Honey Honey (Agnetha loudest)
So Long (Frida loudest)
Mamma Mia (Agnetha loudest, but Frida loudest on Spanish version)
Summer Night City (Frida loudest)
Do others get the same impression?
By the way, I think we just have to wait and see about the new album. The Janne Schaffer retraction (if it was today) could be to put us off the scent of a new album. However, with all this being so 'hush hush', I'd be very surprised if an EPK was sent out days in advance, relying on nobody being tempted to take a look and then blurting.
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Post by jj on Sept 1, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
I'm completely baffled by your maths here and why you decided to not include LAYLOM as an Agnetha lead vocal. And why have you also not included SOS as an Agnetha lead, either? Please help. I don't understand your numbers. I'm sorry, please tell me why you don't include Lay All Your Love on Me. It was a very quickly written post, did I miss anything out? I did include SOS though (as the one Agnetha lead prior to 1979). Frida leads on official (Polar-released) singles: Fernando, Money Money Money, Knowing Me Knowing You, I Have A Dream, Super Trouper (5) Agnetha leads on official (Polar-released) singles: SOS, Chiquitita, Gimme Gimme Gimme, The Winner Takes It All, One of Us, Head Over Heels, The Day Before You Came, Under Attack (8) Lay All Your Love on Me was not released as a single by Polar originally anywhere in Scandinavia. I would want to include it but it would just further add to Agnetha’s total, and it could then be argued that, say, When All Is Said and Done should be included as well. I’ve therefore stopped at the singles released by Polar in any Scandinavian country from 1972 to 1982, not ones released only by licensees. LAYLOM is famous enough now to be thought of as a proper single (as it’s on Gold) but it wasn’t. The 29 official (Polar-released) English language singles are the 23 on the ABBA - The Singles compilation in 1982, plus People Need Love, He Is Your Brother, Love Isn’t Easy, Honey Honey, Eagle and Head Over Heels. Any other singles not included in those 29 were released by licensees only. Despite the single leads in Agnetha’s favour, the albums were roughly split 50-50.
Thank you for explaining. I think I now kinda/sorta understand how you got those numbers. Thanks again.
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2021 17:12:32 GMT
One addition - the original version of Ring Ring is led by Agnetha. Is it? You mean the familiar 1973 version as opposed to the 1974 remix? I think of it as a joint lead. Perhaps Agnetha is more noticeable but that’s because of her higher voice isn’t it? I’m fairly sure Frida’s singing the verses as well? ABBA Omnibus states both anyway: www.abbaomnibus.net/songs/whosings.htm |
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 1, 2021 17:16:03 GMT
All this talk of Agnetha vs Frida - maybe Voyage will be the first album to mainly feature Bjorn lead vocals?
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Post by gamleman on Sept 1, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
One addition - the original version of Ring Ring is led by Agnetha. Is it? You mean the familiar 1973 version as opposed to the 1974 remix? I think of it as a joint lead. Perhaps Agnetha is more noticeable but that’s because of her higher voice isn’t it? I’m fairly sure Frida’s singing the verses as well? ABBA Omnibus states both anyway: www.abbaomnibus.net/songs/whosings.htmThanks for the link to that site. I hadn't seen it before. Yes, I mean the first English version of Ring Ring (1973). If Frida's voice is also in the verses, it's very subtle. There is a famous story that because Agnetha was heavily pregnant at the time of the Swedish competition for the Eurovision Song Contest 1973, Frida had to learn Agnetha's part in case she was absent (although this would have been the Swedish version). I think they are both present on the 1974 UK remix, but I can hear Agnetha's voice foremost. Another funny one is Angeleyes. That site suggests the singers are Agnetha and Frida, but surely there is a man's voice in there too - Bjorn's? I've only glanced at the list but there are a few I would probably dispute. Another oddity is "That's Me" which is put down to Agnetha and Frida but if there is a lead vocalist, I'd say it's Agnetha. This is supported by the fact that in the Instagram countdown Agnetha supposedly said "I think I give a credible voice to Carrie". Plus she included it on her solo Greatest Hits album of the same name. |
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Post by jj on Sept 1, 2021 17:57:50 GMT
All this talk of Agnetha vs Frida - maybe Voyage will be the first album to mainly feature Bjorn lead vocals?
Wouldn't that be nice? And also include a bonus track: "SOS", a solo version, sung entirely unaccompanied, by Pierce Brosnan.
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Post by Michal on Sept 1, 2021 19:03:23 GMT
All this talk of Agnetha vs Frida - maybe Voyage will be the first album to mainly feature Bjorn lead vocals? Wouldn't that be nice? And also include a bonus track: "SOS", a solo version, sung entirely unaccompanied, by Pierce Brosnan.  LOL, yes, great idea!! Maybe that's the reason Agnetha and Frida were so quiet when it comes to ABBA comeback. Maybe what we will get is the long overdue sequel to the Lycka album! Benny and Björn through and through with a hint of A&F on backing vocals here and there! So exciting!! |
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Post by jj on Sept 1, 2021 19:04:46 GMT
With their new single possibly revealed in less than 24 hours, I'm thinking of the cover of their last (i.e., new) single, Under Attack, and of some of the other photos that were taken during the same photoshoot. They might use this one for the cover of their new (physical) single, I Still Have Faith in You, as a kind of flashback. It could work as a kind of secret wink between ABBA and their most ardent fans.
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Post by gamleman on Sept 1, 2021 19:19:52 GMT
All this talk of Agnetha vs Frida - maybe Voyage will be the first album to mainly feature Bjorn lead vocals?
Wouldn't that be nice? And also include a bonus track: "SOS", a solo version, sung entirely unaccompanied, by Pierce Brosnan.
There are not usually many jokes on this forum, but that really tickled me Thank you jj. |
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2021 22:26:38 GMT
I've only glanced at the list but there are a few I would probably dispute. Another oddity is "That's Me" which is put down to Agnetha and Frida but if there is a lead vocalist, I'd say it's Agnetha. This is supported by the fact that in the Instagram countdown Agnetha supposedly said "I think I give a credible voice to Carrie". Plus she included it on her solo Greatest Hits album of the same name. I’ve always heard That’s Me as both. Frida is probably singing it slightly higher than normal and Agnetha lower. Right now, it feels like Christmas Eve when you’re a child. I really hope they don’t f**k it up (as RuPaul would say on Drag Race). There are several ways they could do just that: 1. By announcing the ABBA Tars tour only and no mention (yet) of new songs. 2. By announcing just two new songs or fewer than five. And even: 3. Announcing just five new songs. Sorry, but this would still be a bit disappointing. The only way they can’t f**k it up at all now is by announcing a full album of new songs. We’re all hoping for that and, though completely irrational, it would be harder to accept less at this stage. Even if 3) was announced along with the tour, I’d be left thinking, “is that it??” |
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LOL, yes, great idea!! Maybe that's the reason Agnetha and Frida were so quiet when it comes to ABBA comeback. Maybe what we will get is the long overdue sequel to the Lycka album! Benny and Björn through and through with a hint of A&F on backing vocals here and there! So exciting!!