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Post by Alan on Nov 19, 2021 14:15:35 GMT
Whatever day they decide to go in May (it does look like Thursday 26th though) - I am only realistically expecting Benny and Björn to be there. Björn hinted that all four of them would be there, in some interview or other, but wouldn’t surprise me if Agnetha and/or Frida were suddenly ill with some bug come May. I’d hope they’re all there though, for their sake really. You wouldn’t want to miss a big event like this if you were in it.
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Post by Michel on Nov 19, 2021 16:47:15 GMT
I will be very annoyed if ABBA turn up on the 26th and not on the 27th (I have a ticket for the latter). We were led to believe that 27th May would be the opening night and so many fans will have bought tickets for that night in the hope that the real ABBA will be in attendance (as had been hinted at in the press). I feel the same way. Although of course never a certainty, the probability of this being the last chance to see all four of them together was the incentive for me to try to get a ticket for 27 May. My reasoning was: I will try to get a ticket for that date and if that works out, I will go there for sure and if not, I might go at a later date or maybe even not at all. After several tries I managed to get a ticket for the 27th, so that decision was made. It was in the news everywhere that 27 May would be the opening night, with no mention whatsoever that there would be a pre-opening night for VIP's on the 26th. Now that this news has come out, my guess is that ABBA will attend the show on the 26th of May and not the 27th. They could and should have been clear about the fact that there are two opening nights, one for VIP's and one for the general public. Especially knowing that many fans are travelling from abroad, not to mention all the extra expenses involved.
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Post by Michel on Nov 19, 2021 17:18:36 GMT
Meanwhile Voyage is enjoying a second week at number one in the Dutch album top 100 as well as in the Vinyl 33.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 19, 2021 17:22:01 GMT
I wonder if Little Things video will premiere tonight, ABBA will want some sort of promo in return for this prize. That is rather a cynical view of them It's probably true of the record company, although not ABBA themselves (except maybe the business head, Bjorn). I think it's still too early for the video of a Christmas single to be shown. For me, there'd only be one acceptable reason to play the video tonight and that's if the proceeds of the UK sales of the single were directed to Children In Need. The autographed merch will certainly raise some funds but it would be really tacky if that was the basis for showing the video on a charity telethon.
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Post by joseph on Nov 19, 2021 17:33:42 GMT
I'm going to have a crack at ranking the songs but of course it's very early days so this could all change in a year, or even in a week or so.
I Still Have Faith in You ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I can't fault this, despite the fact there probably are some flaws. It's Frida's vocal for me.. so emotive. The melody is simple but affecting. True fact: A tear (or two) falls silently down my cheek every time I hear the song. A real highlight.
When You Danced With Me⭐⭐⭐⭐
I'm still getting to grips with this. I liked it straight away but I haven't listened to it too much. I overplayed the first two singles, which I regret now, and I don't want to make that mistake again. I want the songs to slowly take root in my heart.
Little Things ⭐⭐⭐
As Christmas songs go, it does what it says on the tin. I generally detest this genre but they've cracked it. A bit cheeky in parts, which helps defuse the twee element. I'll try not to skip it but that will be hard come Summertime.
Don't Shut Me Down ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Just perfect. I love the slight cracks in Agnetha's voice and her storytelling is as immaculate as ever (Frida is spot on with her praise for Agnetha's skills, although she's a master storyteller herself). I like that thing she does when she says "... appear now". Like a wry laugh. Someone, forget who, referred to Agnetha's voice as "shot" and rather patronisingly as "poor Agnetha". Outrageous. And completely untrue, not to mention mean. Still, whatever. One man's meat and all that. It's classic AꓭBA in that chorus where Frida's warm tones underpin Agnetha's voice. In fact, Frida shines on this album. It's not that Agnetha doesn't, but Frida really was a revelation.
Just A Notion ⭐⭐⭐
I'm on and off this. I've tried really hard to love it, and thought I did, but it simply hasn't gotten under my skin. Maybe it will in time but I doubt it.
I Can Be That Woman ⭐⭐⭐⭐
A lot going for it. Unusual topic. Agnetha sounds great and when Frida joins in with those harmonies.. well, just wonderful. Lyrically, some of the lines make me wince a little (as is also the case in one or two of the other songs, I'm not sure why).
Keep an Eye on Dan ⭐⭐⭐⭐
I do love this. The verses! I'm coming around to the chorus slowly but surely. The music is great, it really gave me goosebumps. The title, and even the lyrics, made me think of Kate Bush. So different! Love the imagery Agnetha's vocal evokes.
Bumblebee ⭐⭐⭐⭐
Liked it straight away. Harmonies are spot on. There's not a great deal to be said that hasn't already been said. I KNOW this little fella with his furry bum sticking in the air covered in pollen. I'm IN Frida's garden. Maybe I need to get in there earlier but even if I did I'm not sure I'd express my thoughts adequately.
No Doubt About It ⭐⭐⭐⭐
What a belter. Or, to use the vernacular, 'banger'. This clears the cobwebs for sure. Immediately made me think of Frida during her Shine period. I like the way it swoops and soars (if that even makes sense).
Ode To Freedom ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I'd like it to be a tad longer. Just a smidge. Very moving and I'm still grasping the meaning.
There ya go. Not exactly earth-shattering revelations from me (I have the words in my head; they just aren't forthcoming in text).
Now , get me to that concert so I can suspend my disbelief, return home euphoric and die a happy man knowing I got to 'see' AꓭBA in concert.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 18:13:54 GMT
Nice review Joseph. Yep, the first two singles are indeed 5 star songs. I like the way too Agnetha sings "appears" npw in Don't Shut Me Down - an obvious reference to ABBAtars. Ode to Freedom is a real gem.
I hope there is one more single - if only to stop Little Things being the last ever ABBA single!
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Post by richard on Nov 19, 2021 19:58:07 GMT
Pretty much agree with your ratings, Joseph, and what you say about them. For me, No Doubt About It isn't quite good enough for 5 stars, but Frida's wonderful vocal is!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 20:10:11 GMT
Voyage #2 in UK chart with 44,000 sales. So, 248,000 altogether.
It should be platinum, 300,000 by the end of the year
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Post by JeniLP on Nov 19, 2021 20:36:36 GMT
I like that thing she does when she says "... appear now". Like a wry laugh. I feel it also when she sings "...or let me enter?" That flirting with the audience is splendid.
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Post by Alan on Nov 19, 2021 21:13:28 GMT
I love it when Frida sings “thyme” and I’m wanting to correct her and say, it’s pronounced “time”. Another one for the “champagne” and “longevity” list.
I’m mean, I know…
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Post by agan on Nov 19, 2021 21:51:30 GMT
I suppose you remember when they announced the avatar show + the 2 news songs, at the time, an ABBA worlwide TV special produced by NBC was supposed to be aired around Christmas 2017 (don't remember the year)...
Maybe the "VIP" show will be a tv special...
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Post by gary on Nov 20, 2021 6:08:05 GMT
Under Attack is certainly near the bottom! 'Under Attack' is a fantastic song one of my favourite ABBA songs no idea why people think its bad I like every song ABBA have done there is not one song that I dislike. I must admit I am pretty close to that myself. There are only three ABBA songs that I actually dislike: I Am Just A Girl, Two For The Price Of One and Little Things.
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Post by gary on Nov 20, 2021 6:12:04 GMT
Colin, all that chart news is very good indeed. Let’s hope it encourages ABBA to make a tenth album!
I have a question: if those 626,000 sales of Queen’s Greatest Hits are excluded, as they should be, which has sold most, the Queen album or the ABBA album?
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Post by Michal on Nov 20, 2021 9:09:49 GMT
By the way, I have received the picture discs - both faulty pressings. After a moment of hesitation if I should ask for replacement, I decided to ask for a refund instead. Don’t expect a quick response - I contacted them a week ago about my damaged sleeve and am still waiting to hear from them. They ask you not to keep submitting messages but I did so yesterday anyway. I will never order from the official store again (aside from the CD single of Little Things - should be quite safe there, even if it doesn’t arrive until the Tuesday after release date). I received an e-mail today with a return form and an offer to either replace or refund the items after I send them back. I ordered them from the French site, so I was a bit afraid of the languange barrier (the contact form was completely in French of course) but the e-mail is in both French and English.
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Post by Michal on Nov 20, 2021 9:16:45 GMT
It's not UK-only release. Only UK Amazon seems to have it (so far) but it's available at the official store again (the German version for me). The Voyage site says "UK only" and refuses to deliver to Ireland. I tried ordering from the German and Belgian versions and was refused service too. I was eventually able to order from the ABBF fanclub shop (it seems to be some kind of link to the Voyage/Universal site with the payment/delivery managed by Platenzaak - P&P is three times the price of the CD - ugh). It's now available on German Amazon too, if anyone is interested. The shipping costs are much more reasonable and the handling of returns is much quicker too (I have already received a new copy of the defective orange vinyl).
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Post by gamleman on Nov 20, 2021 9:17:30 GMT
I love it when Frida sings “thyme” and I’m wanting to correct her and say, it’s pronounced “time”. Another one for the “champagne” and “longevity” list. I’m mean, I know… One of the first times I heard Frida (or any of them) speak was on Radio 1 when they came to the UK to promote the "Arrival" album. She told the journalist they were going on a boat on the Thames, but she pronounced it with the full 'Th' sound, as in theatre, which was the logical thing to do. English is a tricky language in terms of how to pronounce a word from its spelling.
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Post by Michal on Nov 20, 2021 9:20:35 GMT
Great news from the charts!
As for the opening night... There was a talk about a preview. The official fan club will have some tickets for it, I think. I suppopse the ABBA members are well aware that many fans have bought the tickets to the opening night with a hope of seeing them in person. So my bet is, if they choose to attend, they will attend both nights.
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Post by Michal on Nov 20, 2021 9:29:15 GMT
After a few more listenings to Voyage, I think I'm prepared to do the ranking too:
I Still Have Faith In You ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ When You Danced With Me ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Little Things ⭐⭐⭐ Don't Shut Me Down ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Just A Notion ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I Can Be That Woman ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Keep An Eye On Dan ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Bumblebee ⭐⭐⭐⭐ ... three and half would be more correct No Doubt About It ⭐⭐⭐⭐ - the biggest grower for me, as I wasn't keen on it on the first listen at all Ode To Freedom ⭐⭐⭐⭐
Generally, the album gets better with each listen, I can't get many of the songs out of my head. But it was the case for me with a few more ABBA albums (Voulez-Vous for example). I'm still not prepared to compare it with the other eight. It kind of stands out as if it was recorded by a different group. But in a way, it is a different group. Nobody can be the same after 40 years...
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Post by gamleman on Nov 20, 2021 10:43:55 GMT
Great news from the charts! As for the opening night... There was a talk about a preview. The official fan club will have some tickets for it, I think. I suppopse the ABBA members are well aware that many fans have bought the tickets to the opening night with a hope of seeing them in person. So my bet is, if they choose to attend, they will attend both nights. Thanks for your reassuring views about the opening night(s), Michal. I'd certainly like to think that ABBA themselves are in touch with their fans' feelings and plans. I guess it's possible that B&B will attend both nights - they may be interested in the reaction of the real fans to the show - but I have my doubts that A&F will hang around in London for two nights. Your scores of the album tracks are not dissimilar to mine and I would also give "Bumblebee" three and a half stars, if we could use halves.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 20, 2021 11:31:57 GMT
The Voyage site says "UK only" and refuses to deliver to Ireland. I tried ordering from the German and Belgian versions and was refused service too. I was eventually able to order from the ABBF fanclub shop (it seems to be some kind of link to the Voyage/Universal site with the payment/delivery managed by Platenzaak - P&P is three times the price of the CD - ugh). It's now available on German Amazon too, if anyone is interested. The shipping costs are much more reasonable and the handling of returns is much quicker too (I have already received a new copy of the defective orange vinyl). This will teach me to develop some patience! Since Brexit started adding big customs bills to orders from the UK store, I have started ordering from the French and German branches instead. I'm trying to cancel the order I placed so that I can save a tenner by shopping with Amazon. Platenzaak do NOT make it easy!
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Post by Michal on Nov 20, 2021 11:53:25 GMT
It's now available on German Amazon too, if anyone is interested. The shipping costs are much more reasonable and the handling of returns is much quicker too (I have already received a new copy of the defective orange vinyl). This will teach me to develop some patience! Since Brexit started adding big customs bills to orders from the UK store, I have started ordering from the French and German branches instead. I'm trying to cancel the order I placed so that I can save a tenner by shopping with Amazon. Platenzaak do NOT make it easy! I have stopped ordering from UK completely for the very same reason. Until Brexit, Amazon UK was my first choice. The new EU import laws made things even more complicated, so I have limited my orders from the "outside world" to absolute minimum. Not only because it's more expensive but also because I can't be bothered with filling in a customs declaration for every single package from outside of the EU even if it's worth one cent.
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Post by gary on Nov 20, 2021 19:06:38 GMT
Colin, all that chart news is very good indeed. Let’s hope it encourages ABBA to make a tenth album! I have a question: if those 626,000 sales of Queen’s Greatest Hits are excluded, as they should be, which has sold most, the Queen album or the ABBA album? Gary -- I've tried to work out the UK Sales of Queen's 'Greatest Hits', (One - 1981), with the 626,000 'Enhanced Sales' included. They are 6,899,945 copies. Then you subtract the 626,000 'Enhanced Sales', to get its 'Stand-A-Lone' UK Sales. That gives a Total of 6,273,945. So, it has really sold around 273,945 more than 'ABBA Gold', and not a massive 899,945 more Sales.
Many Queen Fans, really don't like, the 'Enhanced Sales' being mentioned, as they feel that it is accusing Queen of being dishonest, about 'Greatest Hits' UK Total. Some People think, that the 'Enhanced Sales' Saga, is a made up 'Story'. That it is only an 'Opinion', that 'Greatest Hits' has 626,000 Sales from 2 other Queen Compilations. It is not made up. It is 100% true. It was first revealed in 2006. Then, in September 2009, Alan Jones, the UK's top 'Chart Expert', confirmed it. He said that 626,000 'Enhanced Sales', were also added to Queen's 2nd 'Hits' Album, from 1991. 'Greatest Hits III', (1999), got 560,000 'Enhanced Sales', from the 2000 Triple CD, as it was not part of the 1994 Double CD, so it was not given any Sales from that. Thanks Colin. But presumably if ABBA Gold has awards for 6 million sales, it is likely to have actually sold more than 6 million (though less than 6.3 million). So the difference between Gold and the Queen album may be even less than 273,000.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 19:26:28 GMT
The counting of Queen's sales is unfair. They get to be double counted. A third of The Platinum Collection goes to Greatest Hits but the Platinum Collection also gets its own sales.
Anyway, this is meant to be about Voyage. Sorry.
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Post by gary on Nov 20, 2021 19:47:18 GMT
My ratings (out of five):
I Still Have Faith In You ⭐️⭐️⭐️ When You Danced With Me ⭐️⭐️ Little Things ⭐️ Don’t Shut Me Down ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Just A Notion ⭐️⭐️ I Can Be That Woman ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Keep An Eye On Dan ⭐️⭐️ Bumblebee ⭐️ No Doubt About It ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Ode To Freedom ⭐️⭐️⭐️
All in all, a disappointment. Only Frida comes out well.
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Post by gamleman on Nov 20, 2021 20:01:22 GMT
I think the ABBA marketing people have missed a trick. They could have offered boxes of Christmas cards with the LT design on. Provided they weren't vastly overpriced, I think they would have been popular. They could even have put the cover of "Voyage" on the back as an advert. And of course, they could have donated a percentage of the profits to charity.
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Post by Alan on Nov 20, 2021 22:48:21 GMT
I’m still not prepared to compare it with the other eight. It kind of stands out as if it was recorded by a different group. But in a way, it is a different group. Nobody can be the same after 40 years... My sentiments entirely. For me, The Visitors remains ABBA’s last album. Voyage, though it is an ABBA album (or at least by the same members of a collective once known as ABBA), can’t really be compared to what’s gone before. They are 39 years older, and so am I. I was just a child when I first heard the other albums, and only 11 when they stopped in 1982. I’m now 50 (or will be on Monday). I could never rank this alongside albums recorded that long ago. It’s very much its own entity.
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Post by tagaytay on Nov 20, 2021 23:18:49 GMT
My sentiments entirely. For me, The Visitors remains ABBA’s last album. Voyage, though it is an ABBA album (or at least by the same members of a collective once known as ABBA), can’t really be compared to what’s gone before. They are 39 years older, and so am I. I was just a child when I first heard the other albums, and only 11 when they stopped in 1982. I’m now 50 (or will be on Monday). I could never rank this alongside albums recorded that long ago. It’s very much its own entity.
Sadly, its the same for me. its like an epilogue or a coda. ABBA are tying loose ends, saying their proper goodbyes, quick respectful nod to the past and advising us to be good fans and be on our way. They want us to remember them as they were.
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Post by joseph on Nov 21, 2021 0:49:18 GMT
Only Frida comes out well. Oh really.
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Post by Michal on Nov 21, 2021 0:51:08 GMT
All in all, a disappointment. Only Frida comes out well. It makes me wonder - with such low rankings, do you feel they shouldn't have bothered? Or are you still glad they made the album but you're disappointed, because it did not live up to your expectations?
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