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Post by HOMETIME on Dec 8, 2021 19:37:21 GMT
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Post by foreverfan on Dec 9, 2021 9:55:53 GMT
Could Little Things be the first single since So Long not to chart for ABBA...
Its no where to be seen in any of the other charts..Like I Tunes and Spotify...
Oh dear... no matter whats said , if it doesn't chart , it will be a major disappointment, not only for themselves, Universal , but for UNICEF..
Only today to go to turn it around, unlikely....
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Post by lamont on Dec 9, 2021 10:27:00 GMT
What I do not understand is the naivety of the little Things release, we’re they really expecting it to chart high rivalling the other contenders? Is it a Universal/Polar release? Then so far it’s badly thought out, especially when they saw results of Just A Notion. Either, Little Things should have been a single only release or a new B side added. I want to believe that they are not that naive, and ABBA have something else up their sleeve between now and Christmas. A surprise performance? Filmed in Stockholm? I’d like to think so. I personally love Little Things, though I do like Christmas songs, and I have a Christmas playlist on my iPod, and Little Things slots nicely behind Judy Garland’s Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas. I’m happy they finally have a wee Christmas song.
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Post by Michal on Dec 9, 2021 10:33:39 GMT
A little bit of a moan here. I use my real name - as does moderator Alan... I use my real name too but I can understand why some members don't. I used to take care of the web of the Czech ABBA fanclub for a few years, both as an editor and moderator and used a nickname. However I revealed my real name too at some occasions and then one reader mistook me for another member of the same name, who was a bit mean to him in one discussion. The person turned out to be obsessive and almost paranoid and he harassed me quite badly, even going to such lengths as finding out where I live etc. It was very unpleasant. Internet can be a nasty place and it's definitely wise to be cautious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 10:39:59 GMT
I agree with you, Michal. The internet is pure evil. Joseph, I really am very sorry if I offended you. I am going through a very rough time at the moment with this situation facing all of us. I was only trying to inject a little humour to the forum. Sorry !
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Post by Michal on Dec 9, 2021 10:47:31 GMT
I'm doubtful about Just A Notion. I was initially positive about it but I'm baffled by how it was touted as a fan favourite? Really? I always believed that to be Just Like That. Still, out of all those demos, it could've been worse Well, obviously Just Like That is out of question and Just A Notion was the only other song from Undeleted that ever got any attention at all, being mentioned by C.M.Palm as another track suitable for release and actually considered for the deluxe version of Voulez-Vous. Personally I'm glad it's finally released, even if the the arrangement could have been better. The vocals are great. Maybe iť would be interesting to start a thread about unreleased fan favourites to provide Universal with some suggestions :-) Mine would be Rubber Ball Man (or Under My Sun), Hamlet and Monsieur, Monsieur. And Just Like That of course.
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Post by gamleman on Dec 9, 2021 10:55:01 GMT
What I do not understand is the naivety of the little Things release, we’re they really expecting it to chart high rivalling the other contenders? Is it a Universal/Polar release? Then so far it’s badly thought out, especially when they saw results of Just A Notion. Either, Little Things should have been a single only release or a new B side added. I want to believe that they are not that naive, and ABBA have something else up their sleeve between now and Christmas. A surprise performance? Filmed in Stockholm? I’d like to think so. I personally love Little Things, though I do like Christmas songs, and I have a Christmas playlist on my iPod, and Little Things slots nicely behind Judy Garland’s Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas. I’m happy they finally have a wee Christmas song. I don't understand their naivety either - perhaps they thought they were going to do a repeat of "I Have A Dream", but the world has moved on. The singles of "Voulez-vous" and "Thank You For The Music" released in the 90s didn't chart in the UK either, but these were re-issues of songs that had already charted. In their heyday, ABBA did have one album that didn't chart in the UK - "Gracias Por La Musica" - but it wasn't promoted.
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Post by bennybjorn on Dec 9, 2021 11:21:21 GMT
For those of us who grew up in the 70s/80s/90s it's quite hard to believe/understand, but the aim of putting out singles no longer really has anything to do with reaching a certain position in the singles chart. It's all about getting the song on radio station playlists which in turn leads to increased album sales. So, the issue with Little Things is whether it's actually doing this, not whether it's going to chart at any particular position (or even at all). So far, I'm only aware that it's on the Radio 2 b-list (and Voyage remains top 5) so, arguably, it is just about doing what the band/record company hoped it would.
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Post by gamleman on Dec 9, 2021 11:33:42 GMT
It's possible/probable that LT is helping to keep "Voyage" in the Top 5, but would it have plummeted without LT? I doubt it - not at this time of year when ABBA albums are probably being bought as Christmas presents. I suspect that the record company were hoping for a return to No 1 or No 2. I supposed there is still time for this to happen.
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Post by bennybjorn on Dec 9, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
It's possible/probable that LT is helping to keep "Voyage" in the Top 5, but would it have plummeted without LT? I doubt it - not at this time of year when ABBA albums are probably being bought as Christmas presents. I suspect that the record company were hoping for a return to No 1 or No 2. I supposed there is still time for this to happen. Yes indeed. And if its only current exposure in the Radio 2 b-list, I doubt this is having much impact on album sales. Be good to see the airplay chart next week - I expect it won't be in the top 40 if virtually no other stations are playing it.
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Post by lamont on Dec 9, 2021 11:53:08 GMT
I understand charts have moved on, and that singles are used for album sales, I see Little Things is quite high on an Apple Music Christmas playlist, but when the press are touting ABBA as a potential contender for the Christmas No’1, if Universal were serious, then why not go for broke. I remember in Kylie’s first year, the press were touting Kylie & Jason were contenders for Christmas No’1, despite PWL records saying no song was forthcoming, according to Pete Waterman (stay with me!) it was only when PWL received 200,000 advance orders that a single was written and recorded.
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Post by gamleman on Dec 9, 2021 12:54:25 GMT
I understand charts have moved on, and that singles are used for album sales, I see Little Things is quite high on an Apple Music Christmas playlist, but when the press are touting ABBA as a potential contender for the Christmas No’1, if Universal were serious, then why not go for broke. I remember in Kylie’s first year, the press were touting Kylie & Jason were contenders for Christmas No’1, despite PWL records saying no song was forthcoming, according to Pete Waterman (stay with me!) it was only when PWL received 200,000 advance orders that a single was written and recorded. How can 200000 advanced orders be made for a non-existent record? A record store would need a catalogue number to pre-order stock. I realise you're saying this was Pete Waterman's claim, but it doesn't sound at all credible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 12:55:01 GMT
Names - I am not against people using an alias rather than real name. Just got confused when reading first names but nobody posting under that!
Little Things - I reckon ABBA/Universal were expecting it to be a bit I Have a Dream in terms of success. If Little Things does miss the charts then When You Danced With Me will be the last ABBA chart entry - even though not released as a single.
I think Voyage would have stayed Top 5 regardless of any single released now. People will buy it for their parents or dare I say grandparents!
Looks like Voyage will be #4 this week - but might return to Top 3 for Christmas. I expect sales will drop a bit in January.
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Post by lamont on Dec 9, 2021 13:05:18 GMT
I understand charts have moved on, and that singles are used for album sales, I see Little Things is quite high on an Apple Music Christmas playlist, but when the press are touting ABBA as a potential contender for the Christmas No’1, if Universal were serious, then why not go for broke. I remember in Kylie’s first year, the press were touting Kylie & Jason were contenders for Christmas No’1, despite PWL records saying no song was forthcoming, according to Pete Waterman (stay with me!) it was only when PWL received 200,000 advance orders that a single was written and recorded. How can 200000 advanced orders be made for a non-existent record? A record store would need a catalogue number to pre-order stock. I realise you're saying this was Pete Waterman's claim, but it doesn't sound at all credible. Ha ha! Yeh! I think Pete and Stig had that in common.
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Post by Alan on Dec 9, 2021 13:17:21 GMT
For those of us who grew up in the 70s/80s/90s it's quite hard to believe/understand, but the aim of putting out singles no longer really has anything to do with reaching a certain position in the singles chart. It's all about getting the song on radio station playlists which in turn leads to increased album sales. So, the issue with Little Things is whether it's actually doing this, not whether it's going to chart at any particular position (or even at all). So far, I'm only aware that it's on the Radio 2 b-list (and Voyage remains top 5) so, arguably, it is just about doing what the band/record company hoped it would. I agree with this, though I grew up in the 1970s and 80s and completely understand that singles aren’t released for chart positions anymore, or even to chart. I actually find it harder to understand why more people don’t get that. The idea that Little Things, or any other post-album release single, was ever going to chart highly is laughable. It was never going to happen. What still does surprise me is that the first two singles did so well. I honestly never expected that, I thought they wouldn’t scrape the top 50. Just A Notion definitely helped to remind people that the album was either soon arriving, or that it had been released. Being a big chart hit in its own right never came into it. It was a success because it promoted the album and got airplay on the radio. Little Things less so though, if it’s only made the Radio 2 b-list, but it doesn’t mean it’s a failure
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 13:26:23 GMT
There is no evidence that Voyage is staying in the Top 5 because Little Things get some airplay on Radio 2.
Voyage was always likely to stay in Top 10, ideally Top 5 until the New Year.
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Post by Alan on Dec 9, 2021 13:37:59 GMT
There is no evidence that Voyage is staying in the Top 5 because Little Things get some airplay on Radio 2. Voyage was always likely to stay in Top 10, ideally Top 5 until the New Year. There’s no evidence to the contrary either, but I’m inclined to agree with you though. However, it will inevitably be picking up some album sales, even if it’s not enough to alter its chart position. There are always positives. Plus, as a single, it means it can possibly appear on future Christmas compilations. As an album track with no video, it may have stayed hidden. Happy New Year was from a very different time so can’t really be compared.
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Post by bennybjorn on Dec 9, 2021 14:15:20 GMT
There is no evidence that Voyage is staying in the Top 5 because Little Things get some airplay on Radio 2. Voyage was always likely to stay in Top 10, ideally Top 5 until the New Year. Indeed there is no evidence - but there isn't any evidence suggesting that this is not the case either. However, in my experience of analysing these things, songs need to get in the top 20 airplay chart before they start to revive flagging albums, and the R2 b-list will not be enough alone for it to reach this level (or even the top 40). I don't know whether any other stations are playing it at all. We'll find out in next week's airplay chart.
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Post by lamont on Dec 9, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
There is no evidence that Voyage is staying in the Top 5 because Little Things get some airplay on Radio 2. Voyage was always likely to stay in Top 10, ideally Top 5 until the New Year. Indeed there is no evidence - but there isn't any evidence suggesting that this is not the case either. However, in my experience of analysing these things, songs need to get in the top 20 airplay chart before they start to revive flagging albums, and the R2 b-list will not be enough alone for it to reach this level (or even the top 40). I don't know whether any other stations are playing it at all. We'll find out in next week's airplay chart. That’s why I think there is maybe another plan, ABBA only need 1 week to grab the Christmas No’1, elevate it to A list on Radio 2, and a specially recorded performance. I am doubtful but hopeful!
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Post by joseph on Dec 10, 2021 0:04:54 GMT
I like his present from AꓭBA! I want one!
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Post by HOMETIME on Dec 10, 2021 9:08:14 GMT
Matt Pop has just released his remix of Little Things. I couldn't imagine where he's take the mix, given his style and the very "unpop" feel of the song, but I think he's done a terrific job. He even managed to bring in a little something from 40 years ago....
What do you think?
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Post by foreverfan on Dec 10, 2021 9:27:58 GMT
Hes Always been a remix weakness of mine, I think he does a good job...
The above, more radio friendly ? dare I say.....
Apparently the Knitting clip of Bjorn and Sir Ian Mckellan has gone viral, ( whatever that really means... )
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Post by HOMETIME on Dec 10, 2021 9:38:12 GMT
There's a limited time download available - the link is under the video on YouTube. I downloaded it and was thrilled to discover that he's even created a kind of B-side: a lovely merging of Agnetha's and Frida's respective versions of När Det Lider Mot Jul. He managed to make it sound like they recorded it together. Amazing!
As for the Little Things remix, I think it's really addictive. I think it may be his best ABBA remix since his superb mix of The King Has Lost His Crown. His mixes often add sugar. This time, he's taken it away. I really love this.
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Post by foreverfan on Dec 10, 2021 9:48:26 GMT
I Agree ^^ TKHLHC is a great remix, one of his best, some dont work like DQ , but hey how can you improve on perfection... I know some hate these sort of remixes, a bastardization of the true.. However, some of these remixes are actually very good, not just Matt Pop..
Personally i think its a shame he's not officially released or allowed to release any of his remixes, especially in what i call those fallow years...
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Post by HOMETIME on Dec 10, 2021 9:57:53 GMT
If I had any power in ABBAworld, I'd have officially released that mix of TKHLHC as a single in the "fallow years." The mix really elevates the song. The Little Things mix feel very unMatt Pop. Those bracing drum sounds from Soldiers and the added synth patterns make the song feel almost indie. I never thought this song could work like that because, as Benny says here, "it's not pop music."
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Post by johnb on Dec 10, 2021 11:34:51 GMT
Matt Pop has just released his remix of Little Things. I couldn't imagine where he's take the mix, given his style and the very "unpop" feel of the song, but I think he's done a terrific job. He even managed to bring in a little something from 40 years ago.... I immediately thought "Creature Comfort" by Arcade Fire when I heard the intro. It's different though.
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Post by bennybjorn on Dec 10, 2021 12:30:29 GMT
Not sure if reported elsewhere but album sold another 125,000 worldwide last week and is now #6 in the global album chart. Total sales just under 1.25 million. www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm
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Post by lamont on Dec 10, 2021 12:32:08 GMT
Matt Pop has just released his remix of Little Things. I couldn't imagine where he's take the mix, given his style and the very "unpop" feel of the song, but I think he's done a terrific job. He even managed to bring in a little something from 40 years ago.... What do you think? Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 13:59:46 GMT
I bought the singles ISHFIY and DSMD from Amazon. Also, I purchased a copy of JAN from The Official ABBA Store. I won't be buying a copy of LT as it already appears on " Voyage ". All the others were available to buy before the release of ABBA's new album. Obviously the record company and promotors want to rake as much cash from gullible buyers as possible. Not from me they don't.
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Post by Alan on Dec 10, 2021 14:12:37 GMT
I bought the singles ISHFIY and DSMD from Amazon. Also, I purchased a copy of JAN from The Official ABBA Store. I won't be buying a copy of LT as it already appears on " Voyage ". All the others were available to buy before the release of ABBA's new album. Obviously the record company and promotors want to rake as much cash from gullible buyers as possible. Not from me they don't. I don’t think it’s necessarily that. There are many people that (like myself) have all of ABBA’s singles physically. These new four were just souvenirs for them, they weren’t essential purchases. I got Little Things just to complete the set. I did notice that it’s just a two-panel sleeve though. The first three singles were three-panel jobs. Yes, I love the drums from Soldiers in that Matt Pop mix of Little Things.
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