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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 11:02:03 GMT
A lot of rock/punk/new waves act like ABBA. I would also add Elvis Costello, Joe Strummer (The Clash),Glen Matlock(Sex Pistols) and Noel Gallagher(Oasis)
If they can like ABBA, why can't ABBA fans like their music? (I do)
No, this "disco" narrative by Hometime is part of his "victimise,distort and bigotise" agenda. And Alan doesn't give a damn. Oh, and by the way, I like disco too - and by some artists who happen to be gay.
I am pretty sure there are SOME people who dislike disco because of perceived and incorrect "gayness" and there are SOME people who associate it with black artists - and they are racist. Hometime doesn't pick up on any racism to anti-disco sentiment.
But perhaps, for MOST, disco just had its day. Like other music genres. Like ABBA in Australia in in 1977 or in the UK in 1982. Maybe there wasn't a broader bigotted movement benind its demise.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 22, 2023 11:50:26 GMT
[...] No, this "disco" narrative by Hometime is part of his "victimise,distort and bigotise" agenda. And Alan doesn't give a damn. Oh, and by the way, I like disco too - and by some artists who happen to be gay. I am pretty sure there are SOME people who dislike disco because of perceived and incorrect "gayness" and there are SOME people who associate it with black artists - and they are racist. Hometime doesn't pick up on any racism to anti-disco sentiment. But perhaps, for MOST, disco just had its day. Like other music genres. Like ABBA in Australia in in 1977 or in the UK in 1982. Maybe there wasn't a broader bigotted movement benind its demise. Hope this helps: I kinda feel that the disco label for ABBA is an American import. Given the homophobic and racist animus that was part of the spittle-flecked campaign against disco in the States in the late 70s, I wonder if "disco" was also code for "gay"? In all seriousness, Johnny, I think your experience here could be greatly improved by simply blocking me. It's not a perfect solution, given the site's technical limitations. But, when you're logged in, you'll at least be warned that I have posted something and you won't see it unless you click then button. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 12:20:42 GMT
ok, you DID pick up on racism of some in anti-disco movement - and that made it easy for you to score a point. Good
On the points of seeking victimhood and distortion of reality you have NO ANSWERS whatsoever. Nor do you respond at all to point about disco just having its day. You of course don't have to respond to points by me. But it's intetesting the ones you do - and don't.
It IS EASY to block people - even on a mobile. I just have to use desktop version - which I have done in the past.
To block someone on Mobile
➡️ Go to desktop version on 3 dots on top right
➡️ Go to Profile
➡️ Go to Edit Profile (same line as Username)
➡️Go to Privacy
➡️ Choose block member by typing in name.
Hope this helps. As Hometime says, you have to be logged in to avoid seeing blocked people's posts
Let's all move forward.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 22, 2023 12:39:19 GMT
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Post by Alan on Mar 22, 2023 13:24:51 GMT
No, this "disco" narrative by Hometime is part of his "victimise,distort and bigotise" agenda. And Alan doesn't give a damn. I very much do give a damn. We’ve had this discussion before and it was explained to you then that the anti-disco backlash was very much homophobic and racist. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either racist and/or homophobic themselves or doesn’t understand the facts. I would hope you are in the latter category. Disco may well have had its day at that point but did that really warrant all the ritual burnings of records and any other silliness that went off in the US? By doing that they were making the point that they hated those who liked disco, which were likely predominantly black or gay. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 13:40:51 GMT
Alan, I can assure you that I am neither racist nor homophobic. To suggest that people who disliked or got fed up with disco are, is pretty low.
I am aware there was an anti-disco backlash. My point it is by SOME. Just because a small, vocal group gets a headline doesn't mean they represent MOST. Perhaps you live too much through Social Media like Twitter? 🤔
For sure, the actions of that nasty minority were racist/homophobic. I was just pointing out they were actions of some people
The actions of a few extremists in the US do not represent the whole of the US, or any or very little of the UK or elsewhere.
By raising this issue of these bigots in the demise of disco some people are trying to give it as a reason for "the death of disco". Some are also by doing this trying to link dislike or disillusionment with disco as homophobic or racist. You can dislike disco without being either. I go back to my earlier point, that disco had its day.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 22, 2023 13:50:02 GMT
[...] The actions of a few extremists in the US do not represent the whole of the US, or any or very little of the UK or elsewhere. Absolutely nobody here suggested otherwise. Re. Johnny's later addition/edit: [...] By raising this issue of these bigots in the demise of disco some people are trying to give it as a reason for "the death of disco". Some are also by doing this trying to link dislike or disillusionment with disco as homophobic or racist. You can dislike disco without being either. Nobody here has made that link. You can dislike any genre without being racist and/or homophobic. To reiterate, part of the Disco Sucks movement was driven by racism and homophobia. That observation was made at the time and continuously since. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 15:24:31 GMT
Hometime: I wonder if disco was also code for gay.
It is clear Hometime is linking the two - albeit with the "I wonder". Clearly you can like disco and not be gay or dislike disco and be gay.
This was a general statement following his point about that US anti disco movement. It is an assertion that dislike or disillusionment of disco is anti'gay - generally and not by that horrible US movement.
Further no wondering if disco meant black. It seems Hometime links disco with being gay rather than being black. And logically the fall of disco is somehow homophobic. Racism is not a factor seemingly for him as he declared "I wonder if disco was also code for gay". This sentence clearly indicates Hometime is more focussed on homophobia - perceived or real than racism.
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Post by lamont on Mar 22, 2023 15:46:11 GMT
I did note in the recent Bee Gees documentary regarding the anti disco movement in late 70’s. This was something I was too young to be aware of, but it was highly frightening noticing that something that brings joy could be derided by so many in such an abhorrent manner.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 22, 2023 15:59:49 GMT
Hometime: I wonder if disco was also code for gay. It is clear Hometime is linking the two - albeit with the "I wonder". Clearly you can like disco and not be gay or dislike disco and be gay. This was a general statement following his point about that US anti disco movement. It is an assertion that dislike or disillusionment of disco is anti'gay - generally and not by that horrible US movement. Further no wondering if disco meant black. It seems Hometime links disco with being gay rather than being black. And logically the fall of disco is somehow homophobic. Racism is not a factor seemingly for him as he declared "I wonder if disco was also code for gay". This sentence clearly indicates Hometime is more focussed on homophobia - perceived or real than racism. Yes, I wondered if, in the casual mischaracterisation of ABBA as a disco act by American media (and punters), it was shorthand for an act commonly loved by gays. ABBA weren't defined as disco in Europe. Hence the reference to the Disco Sucks movement. And, no, in this instance, I did not speculate that characterising ABBA as disco meant black. Because ABBA are Caucasian. Caucasian people are not generally the target of racism. (But-but-but what about "reverse racism" incoming in 3... 2... 1...) Disco is black music that was appropriated by white acts. Had it had its day? Possibly? Musical fashions come and go. It went out of fashion but crept back in fairly soon after: breathing warmth and soul into synth music; harnessing the production maximalism of the 80s to provide hits for acts like The Pointer Sisters, Sheena Easton, Chaka Khan etc. I reckon disco has made more successful returns than pretty much any genre of music. Jessie Ware's new stuff is disco, through and through. It is hugely influential. A fantastically adaptable genre, responsible for some classic and utterly brilliant records. Your "analysis" is ludicrously wide of the mark. Lazy, too. You'll have to try a lot harder to cast me as a racist, or as someone unbothered by racism. A lot harder. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 9:11:31 GMT
Having read into this here are my observations. Disco was largely performed by black artists and was very popular in gay clubs. It is easy to label the backlash racist or homophobic. Whilst there was an element of that you have to look at other factors. In 1979, disco was the dominant music form in America. Whilst the US was and is noted for its genre specific radio stations, the sheer success of disco would have spilled out into the mainstream. On tv, in the newspapers, played at shopping malls, gyms and countless social gatherings. If you didn't like disco you may have felt satuation point had been reached - hence the Demonstration Night which inevitably got out of control and brought in undesireables. Looking at the Billboard Pop charts it was dominated by disco. The first 8 months had nothing but disco at #1. The Bee Geee, and white acts Blondie and Rod Stewart getting in on the act. Then black artists, Donna Summer, Anita Ward and the mighty Chic. It's possible to see how some, who are passionate about their music gentre got fed up with all the disci around. Disco didn't die immediately after that notorious event. But you could say, its decline was hastened. After such domination in the charts - and society, a backlash of some kind was something that might have been anticipated. For the record, I much prefer disco to rock. Here is a list of US Number Ones during 1979. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number_ones_of_1979 |
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