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Post by Alan on May 19, 2023 21:29:58 GMT
The SGO box was a real treat and very nicely handled, in spite of the fact that the only extra audio was the 7" edits of IKTSGO and HWS (I think they should have included the 7" edit of TTTS... I heard the edit of To Turn The Stone for the first time today. I’m not sure I was aware of it until I saw your post. It’s quite a brutal edit isn’t it? I guess it couldn’t not be as it lops a full two minutes off a five and a half minute track, but it seems to be over before it’s barely begun! I agree that if it exists, it should have been on the deluxe. There’s also the Alternate mix of Here We’ll Stay (still with Phil Collins on). I’m assuming it’s a bootleg remix. It misses out the “here we are” vocals in the chorus. The West German compilation “From ABBA With Love” came up in my eBay searches the other day, and has the single edits of both To Turn The Stone and Agnetha’s Wrap Your Arms Around Me. 20 years ago I would have been desperate for such a CD. I’m assuming it’s the only such release of both edits.
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Post by evilincarnate on May 20, 2023 8:06:12 GMT
The SGO box was a real treat and very nicely handled, in spite of the fact that the only extra audio was the 7" edits of IKTSGO and HWS (I think they should have included the 7" edit of TTTS... I heard the edit of To Turn The Stone for the first time today. I’m not sure I was aware of it until I saw your post. It’s quite a brutal edit isn’t it? I guess it couldn’t not be as it lops a full two minutes off a five and a half minute track, but it seems to be over before it’s barely begun! I agree that if it exists, it should have been on the deluxe. There’s also the Alternate mix of Here We’ll Stay (still with Phil Collins on). I’m assuming it’s a bootleg remix. It misses out the “here we are” vocals in the chorus. The West German compilation “From ABBA With Love” came up in my eBay searches the other day, and has the single edits of both To Turn The Stone and Agnetha’s Wrap Your Arms Around Me. 20 years ago I would have been desperate for such a CD. I’m assuming it’s the only such release of both edits. I always preferred the single version of "To Turn The Stone". It was probably my immediate favourite upon first playing the 'Somethings' Going On' album but always thought it was a little bloated. Although a radical edit (as you've stated), I think it works particularly well. You're correct regarding the 'From ABBA With Love' compilation featuring the single edits of both "To Turn The Stone" and "Wrap Your Arms Around Me". I didn't pick this cd up until about ten years ago, not knowing digital versions existed until then (from memory, I discovered another compilation cd that features the "To Turn The Stone" edit but can't recall the title.) The embarrassing admission I must make is that I had so wished for a digital copy that I painstakingly edited together my own replica version of the single mix using the 2005 cd remaster prior to this discovery. It turned out quite well but I wouldn't have bothered if I'd known it already existed.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 20, 2023 9:31:17 GMT
Yep, TTTS was my favourite track when I first got the album. It's still a lovely song and performance. The album version was definitely too long for 7" release but that edit was a bit loveless. At this distance, I think it should probably have been slightly remixed too: it might have made it easier to edit the guitars and percussion in the instrumental section (and possibly downplay some of the dreamy/sleepiness of the arrangement). It was daft not to include it on the reissue and make the set complete. That alternate version of HWS wasn't a bootleg, Alan , it was accidentally placed on the first pressing of the reissued CD in place of the official mix! I think it was withdrawn pretty quickly, but a number of fans got it through normal retail channels at the time. Apart from one-territory singles like Tell Me It's Over (Japan), I See Red (South Africa) and Twist In The Dark (France), most of Frida's English language singles were different to their album versions. That should have been a decent selling point for a compilation - even though she vetoed such a release. I heard from a German friend that the mix of Come To Me released there was shortened, and had a different drum sound. I only have the Swedish release, which is the standard mix, but I'd love if these alternate mixes were officially gathered, mastered, and released.
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Post by Alan on May 20, 2023 12:57:37 GMT
A consequence of Voyage (the album) for me is that it’s somehow made me look at the 1980s solo albums differently. For such a long time, I saw them as dated and part of ABBA’s 1980s death. It was the darkest time for fans as ABBA were seemingly being written out of history.
Now though, with Voyage having happened, it’s almost changed history. I can watch that Breakfast Time interview with Agnetha and her comment “ABBA is resting for the moment but we’re sure gonna do some more records. I hope so anyway” and think, well, yes they did! The 1980s solo albums therefore have become the start of that journey to Voyage and I’ve found a new appreciation for all five of them.
Another side-effect is that it’s made me wish Frida had done more albums. She sounds so good on Voyage that I’m wondering what might have been. Three post-ABBA albums versus Agnetha’s five* isn’t so bad but it’s a pity there weren’t more.
* Six if we reluctantly include a vanity project. I downloaded that Agnetha and Christian album yesterday… like the Christmas album with Linda, I don’t expect it to be very good but for me it’s some unheard Agnetha.
[Not sure if anyone noticed but I discovered I’d somehow liked my own previous post! This was by accident and I’ve removed the like. I also put “lobs” instead of “lops” so corrected both my post and a quote of it].
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Post by HOMETIME on May 20, 2023 14:00:33 GMT
Interesting how you approach the solo albums. For me, it felt a little like ABBA had outgrown ABBA in the 80s, so when the group recordings stopped, it was as if the girls had taken the baton, and took turns in giving us more. And all of the projects expanded our horizons, in many ways. Agnetha's material was a steady continuation of the pure pop style. It was almost business and usual, in some respects - despite different writers and producers being on board. Frida's music felt a little like it was born of frustration - some of the stuff she released would never have come her way in ABBA. It was as though she could breathe out a little. And, on a personal level, she helped open me to relatively leftfield styles. Chess also seemed to come from a different place of creative frustration. I absolutely love it. Some amazing songs. That original album is gorgeous.
The Gemini material - the first album, in particular, actually made me glad that ABBA had stepped back. The production and songwriting lacked so much of the spark that seemed essential to ABBA's sound. OK, so Karin's histrionic vocal style didn't help, but the song structures lost some of the immediacy and vim that was at the heart of ABBA. They even muddled up Just Like That: the verses and the lyrics were an improvement on the original, but the extra section in the chorus just derailed a potentially great pop moment. The second album was much more like what I'd expected of an Andersson/Ulvaeus production, and I can even hear some of it on Voyage. It's my favourite of the two.
It seems that Frida was working on an album with Jon Lord in 2009. Four songs were recorded: The Evening Dress In Red; Gloomy Tuesday; Keep The World With All Its Sin; I Can't Go On Like That Forever. Apparently in a trance/trip-hop style! And it seems that the lyrics of Gloomy Tuesday are about the death of Lise-Lotte. I imagine that Jon's estate will have power of whether it's released at any point. I wonder what Frida's feelings on the subject are. It seems sad that the project remains dormant.
Work on a Christian Falk-produced follow-up to Djupa Andetag started in 1997 but was - understandably - abandoned following the deaths of Lise-Lotte and Ruzzo. It looks like five tracks may have been recorded? I imagine the project may be associated with too dark a place in Frida's life to engage with it any further. But it'd be fantastic if some of all this unreleased material could find its way to our ears.
Oops, looks like I've derailed the thread celebrating Agnetha's albums.... Soz!
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Post by Michel on May 20, 2023 17:29:51 GMT
The West German compilation “From ABBA With Love” came up in my eBay searches the other day, and has the single edits of both To Turn The Stone and Agnetha’s Wrap Your Arms Around Me. 20 years ago I would have been desperate for such a CD. I’m assuming it’s the only such release of both edits. "From ABBA With Love" was actually a compilation by Polydor Netherlands. Though the CD was manufactured in Germany, the album was never released there. Like many other countries around the same time, Germany had its own compilation called "I Love ABBA". That included the edit of "To Turn The Stone" as well. Apparently it also had a slightly different version of "The Heat Is On" (with a faint count-in). The "Wrap Your Arms Around Me" single edit was also included on a Dutch 1989 compilation called "Love Songs". I never understood why the "To Turn The Stone" edit was never included on any of the SGO reissues. It really should have been there.
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Post by evilincarnate on May 21, 2023 5:18:04 GMT
It seems that Frida was working on an album with Jon Lord in 2009. Four songs were recorded: The Evening Dress In Red; Gloomy Tuesday; Keep The World With All Its Sin; I Can't Go On Like That Forever. Apparently in a trance/trip-hop style! And it seems that the lyrics of Gloomy Tuesday are about the death of Lise-Lotte. I imagine that Jon's estate will have power of whether it's released at any point. I wonder what Frida's feelings on the subject are. It seems sad that the project remains dormant. Work on a Christian Falk-produced follow-up to Djupa Andetag started in 1997 but was - understandably - abandoned following the deaths of Lise-Lotte and Ruzzo. It looks like five tracks may have been recorded? I imagine the project may be associated with too dark a place in Frida's life to engage with it any further. But it'd be fantastic if some of all this unreleased material could find its way to our ears. I never knew about Frida working on potential albums with Christian Falk and Jon Lord. For some reason, I thought (or read) that a follow-up to Djupa Andetag was planned with Anders Glenmark at the helm but the possibility of a Christian Falk collaboration in particular really excites me. I'm fond of the work Falk did with Robyn, Neneh Cherry and others so a project with Frida could have been incredible. I adore that Frida was always interested in experimenting and not content to remain strictly within the confines of a conventional pop structure outside of ABBA - beautiful lady. The song titles mentioned for the Lord sessions sound intriguing - one can only hope that these (and other unreleased material) eventually get an official release. Thanks for the info Tony.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 21, 2023 11:43:56 GMT
Lest anyone think I'm some kind of font of knowledge, I should say that this information comes from Remko Van Drongelen's superb book. The Christian Falk sessions are repeatedly referred to as a dance album. It's not mentioned in the book, but someone in the know (?) on the previous forum seemed to know that they had recorded a version of Wonderwall by Oasis. I have some difficulty imagining how that might sound (mostly because I hate the song). Sorry Alan, do we need to splinter this off as a separate thread? I didn't intent to so comprehensively derail the WYAAM/A discussion.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 21, 2023 11:58:27 GMT
A consequence of Voyage (the album) for me is that it’s somehow made me look at the 1980s solo albums differently. For such a long time, I saw them as dated [...] ...a vanity project. I downloaded that Agnetha and Christian album yesterday… like the Christmas album with Linda, I don’t expect it to be very good but for me it’s some unheard Agnetha. There can't be many albums by any artist of any era that aren't dated within a few years of release. Agnetha and Frida renewed their solo careers at a pretty nice time of the 80s with some hot producers. To avoid the contemporary sounds, they might have had to go retro or completely off-piste with song/production style. Might that have limited their audiences too much? I'm trying to think of albums from that era that haven't dated in some way. I haven't heard more than one track each from the albums with Agnetha's kids. They're not for me but it's nice that Agnetha did something so special with them. Special to them, I mean. I understand that many fans will probably adore these releases but they feel more like gifts to her children. I imagine she might have taken some critical flak for them at the time?
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Post by Alan on May 21, 2023 14:54:23 GMT
Sorry Alan, do we need to splinter this off as a separate thread? I didn't intent to so comprehensively derail the WYAAM/A discussion. Yes, although there have been bits of Agnetha, it’s primarily been Frida solo in the recent part of this discussion so I’ve split it off accordingly. Another thing that’s always bugged me… why is Time / Belle not on any of the reissues? Time was a Polar release so shouldn’t be any problems there. Belle wasn’t, but shouldn’t be too difficult to get hold of. The Way You Are wasn’t a Polar release but has still turned up on various Agnetha reissues/compilations. Would B A Robertson be the stumbling block? Or do Bjorn and Benny not like the use of Arrival in that way? I heard Belle for the first time ever on Friday as well. I was expecting it to be the same arrangement as Time and was quite surprised it wasn’t.
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Post by Alan on May 21, 2023 17:04:40 GMT
OK then, so generally I have most of Agnetha’s output. There’s more of it than there is for Frida but usually tied-in with album projects, compilations or reissues. If I’m missing anything, I’m not aware of it. For Frida, it’s a different story. I’ve got 1967-72, Ensam (2005 issue), Something’s Going On (deluxe), Shine (all tracks on 2005 reissue), Djupa Andetag, To Turn The Stone (edit), Here We’ll Stay (Alternate mix), Time, Belle. There’s more I haven’t heard on the Wikipedia discography en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anni-Frid_Lyngstad_discography , but is there much else I should be checking out? With this I generally mean what’s officially been released on download, streaming, vinyl, cassette or CD.
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Post by foreverfan on May 21, 2023 17:07:03 GMT
Just when you think at my age..lol.. that you've heard all that there is...... TTTS edit turns up... wonderful, always one of my favourite solo tracks.. ( 1982 onwards )... will now search out the edit of WYAAM , still my favourite solo, and never heard of the edit mix...
Where have I been !!!
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Post by HOMETIME on May 21, 2023 18:12:09 GMT
As far as Frida's solo stuff goes, Alan, you seem to have most of the official stuff. There's the acapella Dancing Queen that she recorded with The Real Group (there are also some Vinny Vero dance remixes of it). The three jazz songs she performed live on TV in 1970 have been bootlegged in great quality on CD - My Man, Just One Of Those Things, Mad About The Boy (our first dance, when we got married, was Mad About The Boy). There's also the German release Frida - The Mixes, which gathers the remixes from the Djupa Andetag singles. It includes a really lovely, very dreamy remix of Alla Mina Basta Ar - no drums, loads of atmospherics. The Lemon mix of Ogonen and the club version of Aven En Blomma made it to the expanded Djupa Andetage in the box set, I think? There's a Polar single (a big hit, too) from 1972 that was added to the expanded reissue of Ensam. The B-side is especially lovely. Her duet with Ratata Si Lange Vi Har Varann/As Long As I Have You is available to stream in both languages, I think. The stuff she did with Dan Daniell seems only to be available on CD, I think? Probably because they were all charity/fundraisers.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 21, 2023 18:19:14 GMT
PS, if you haven't heard them, the excellent 2015 remixes of IKTSGO are available to stream. Given that they were officially commissioned, it would have been nice to pop them on a CD for the box set.
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Post by evilincarnate on May 22, 2023 12:32:37 GMT
It's not mentioned in the book, but someone in the know (?) on the previous forum seemed to know that they had recorded a version of Wonderwall by Oasis. I have some difficulty imagining how that might sound (mostly because I hate the song). Agreed - "Wonderwall" has to be a contender for worst song of all time. Absolutely hideous.
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