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Post by iiwftn on Aug 21, 2023 9:24:17 GMT
After all these years, I have just realised…
…that ‘Our Last Summer’ was led by Frida and not Agnetha!
What can I say folks? I just assumed!
Hang my head in shame or an easy mistake to make?
Have you ever made your own (incorrect) ABBA assumptions?
Will I get kicked off the forum for this shocking error?
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Post by richard on Aug 21, 2023 15:09:13 GMT
Your honesty, iiwftn, does you credit. But it's not a terrible confession. I remember once reading comments on YouTube about Andante Andante and someone stating something to the effect that what a beautiful, sensuous vocal it was by Agnetha, and someone else pointing out that it was Frida on lead. Although, I don't think I've got it wrong about their leads, I do think their combined singing isn't always as it seems - or at least occasionally I get a probably false impression of what was really happening between them vocally. For example, Fernando strikes me as mostly Frida: the lead and the upper and lower harmonies. Probably totally mistaken, but I think I detect her vocal nuances in those harmonies on the recording. But then again, Agnetha and Frida were likely so adept at matching up their singing to each other that I think it's not always easy to discern who sang what on a track when it comes to their non-lead combined vocals.
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Post by iiwftn on Aug 22, 2023 5:50:35 GMT
Put it another way: on ‘Our Last Summer’, there is no doubt that Agnetha could’ve easily taken the vocal had she been assigned the task.
Whereas other songs are simply made for Frida and vice versa. And as we know, they could both bang out a tune.
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Post by Alan on Aug 22, 2023 19:22:08 GMT
For quite a while from its release, I thought it was Agnetha singing the closing lines of The Visitors (“I have been waiting for these visitors”). In fact, I seem to want to think it’s her now, even though I know it isn’t.
Similarly I’d always thought it was Agnetha doing the “La La La” vocals on Move On. But then someone on a previous forum said it was Frida. I’m now not sure what to think - is it both of them? Agnetha was pregnant when they were making The Album, and had to lie on the floor to record some vocals. Frida had to compensate in places.
The above examples are possibly because both Frida and Agnetha were capable of mimicking the other to some extent. Agnetha could sing lower than her normal register and Frida could sing higher than hers.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 23, 2023 8:52:12 GMT
[...] both Frida and Agnetha were capable of mimicking the other to some extent. Agnetha could sing lower than her normal register and Frida could sing higher than hers. And that mimicry was probably really useful during the sessions for The Album, as you say, for taking pressure off Agnetha. For a long time, I was convinced that both Hey Hey Helen and You Owe Me One were Frida leads, and not The Third Voice. TBH, I still have difficulty accepting that YOMO is a joint lead!
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Post by gary on Aug 23, 2023 13:49:23 GMT
I still hear You Owe Me One as a Frida lead, whatever anyone else says (though it’s hardly a glorious addition to ‘her’ tracks). That also goes some way to balancing out the lead vocals on the 1982 songs.
I always heard Our Last Summer as Frida, but my terrible confession was that I used to think of On And On And On as an Agnetha lead. That made sense, as it balanced out the lead vocals on Super Trouper. But of course Frida actually has one more lead than Agnetha on that album.
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Post by Michal on Aug 23, 2023 15:30:16 GMT
I used to have problems identifying the lead vocalists especially when I started listening to ABBA. Some songs were more obvious than others. Move On was a mystery for a very long time. But after listening to Agnetha and Frida for decades, I'm able to tell who's singing what in most cases. Or at least I think so
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Post by bjorenny on Aug 23, 2023 17:36:40 GMT
As a child I played Greatest Hits Vol. 2 to death, and was convinced for years that 'I Wonder (Departure)' was an Agnetha lead. 40+ years later and I wonder how I could ever NOT hear it was Frida's voice. All I can think is that it was maybe the 'soft innocence' of her singing that particular song.
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Post by richard on Aug 23, 2023 20:49:13 GMT
Seems to be a bit of a pattern here with most of these posts: Agnetha leads, or singing parts, that actually weren't her leads, or perhaps it wasn't her singing those parts, but Frida instead. Interesting that no counter-examples have been mentioned so far: assumed Frida leads that were really Agnetha.
I've often got the no doubt false impression when, I assume, Agnetha and Frida were singing in unison in the midrange (I'm referring to studio recordings) that it was Frida double-tracked; whereas even if Frida was singing 'up there' with Agnetha, it seems very much characterised by Agnetha to me.
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Post by Alan on Aug 24, 2023 6:17:36 GMT
What about Kisses of Fire? I think the original album stated it as an Agnetha lead, but in reality she only sings the first verse solo. The second verse and chorus are both of them aren’t they? Or is Agnetha just singing the second verse in a different way from normal?
Not sure there are many songs in ABBA’s catalogue where the first and second verses are so different, other than the melody. The first verse is a ballad, whilst the second is given the full-on disco treatment.
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Post by richard on Aug 24, 2023 10:41:08 GMT
The verses of WIKTT sound to me, but probably isn't, like double-tracked Frida, with both of them doing the backing vocals from the second verse; and the solo 'bridge breaks' obviously from Agnetha ("One of these days...")
IIWFTN strikes me as having a somewhat similar vocal layout, but with Agnetha's higher vocals predominant in, and characterising, the heavily-layered choruses.
But it's difficult to work out when they're singing together, so just my opinion, of course. This is why I'd like there to appear a book, with audio examples, from a musician with exceptionally perceptive ears: "THE VOCAL MAGIC OF ABBA's AGNETHA AND FRIDA". I'd certainly want to buy such a book.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 25, 2023 10:13:52 GMT
The verses of TACOM ("we can go dancing/we can go walking" etc) always sounded to me like they were sung by Frida, but the filmed performances show them as joint vocals. Likewise, the "Sorry, Cassandra, I misunderstood" line sounds like it's sung by Agnetha, but it's both of them.
Even though lead vocalists have been officially credited, some songs really only have short solo passages before The Third Voice or close harmonising kicks in. I think it underscores that ABBA is a group of equals, and not a lead singer with three back-ups band members. It makes ABBA greater than the sum of its parts.
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Post by evilincarnate on Aug 25, 2023 12:25:57 GMT
[...] both Frida and Agnetha were capable of mimicking the other to some extent. Agnetha could sing lower than her normal register and Frida could sing higher than hers. For a long time, I was convinced that both Hey Hey Helen and You Owe Me One were Frida leads, and not The Third Voice. TBH, I still have difficulty accepting that YOMO is a joint lead! I always thought the same and kinda still do.
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Post by richard on Aug 25, 2023 12:49:08 GMT
The verses of TACOM ("we can go dancing/we can go walking" etc) always sounded to me like they were sung by Frida, but the filmed performances show them as joint vocals. Likewise, the "Sorry, Cassandra, I misunderstood" line sounds like it's sung by Agnetha, but it's both of them. Even though lead vocalists have been officially credited, some songs really only have short solo passages before The Third Voice or close harmonising kicks in. I think it underscores that ABBA is a group of equals, and not a lead singer with three back-ups band members. It makes ABBA greater than the sum of its parts. I agree, Tony. I don't think their filmed performances always accurately reflect the studio recordings, either. This is the case with Fernando, imo, but of course I'm not referring to live performances of the song. And, yes, what gets characterised as a lead can be just a short solo vocal on a track that really is largely a joint vocal, or multi-layered vocals.
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Post by iiwftn on Aug 31, 2023 15:34:07 GMT
The verses of WIKTT sound to me, but probably isn't, like double-tracked Frida, with both of them doing the backing vocals from the second verse; and the solo 'bridge breaks' obviously from Agnetha ("One of these days...") IIWFTN strikes me as having a somewhat similar vocal layout, but with Agnetha's higher vocals predominant in, and characterising, the heavily-layered choruses. But it's difficult to work out when they're singing together, so just my opinion, of course. This is why I'd like there to appear a book, with audio examples, from a musician with exceptionally perceptive ears: "THE VOCAL MAGIC OF ABBA's AGNETHA AND FRIDA". I'd certainly want to buy such a book. Re IIWFTN (the greatest ever ABBA song, no doubt about it 😉 ), although a joint vocal, it certainly gives off major Agnetha-vibes in terms of audio-clarity; similar to the chorus of its cousin, Dancing Queen. Much love to Frida but on these two shared vocal songs, I hear Agnetha more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 10:52:54 GMT
My pitiful misapprehension would have to be that, until embarrassingly recently, I never realised who was doing the lead vocal on 'Suzy-Hang-Around'. In my defence, I hardly ever listen to the 'Waterloo' album and my ears have glazed over (??) long before we get to the final track.
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Post by iiwftn on Dec 10, 2023 0:35:17 GMT
My pitiful misapprehension would have to be that, until embarrassingly recently, I never realised who was doing the lead vocal on 'Suzy-Hang-Around'. In my defence, I hardly ever listen to the 'Waterloo' album and my ears have glazed over (??) long before we get to the final track. I love that album and I think it’s a really good track (other than the nasty tone of the lyrics); it quite unlike any other ABBA song, sound wise. Benny does a good job on the lead vocal. It’s not often his voice really stands out; two other instances are live performances, ‘He is your Brother’ in ‘The Movie’ and his lines in ‘Ring Ring’ from the Tommy Cooper Show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 9:00:21 GMT
I dipped into one early episode and dipped out again pretty damned quickly. Quite literally unwatchable.
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