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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2023 12:35:22 GMT
I was thinking that about some of the photos too, HOMETIME, especially the leaning on the piano one. I even put that on one of the posts but I quickly edited it out as I wasn’t sure. Oh well, at least they’re photos we haven’t seen before. |
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Post by joseph on Sept 1, 2023 14:02:04 GMT
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Post by joseph on Sept 1, 2023 14:17:46 GMT
Incidentally, I should clarify that the negative comments I read about Agnetha's new single were on YouTube and some on facebook. I know, I know...I shouldn't have read them and usually I don't bother. It's true (from what I can gather, anyway) that the single has had a lot of positive feedback but it's certainly not universal. For what it's worth, I don't think it's amongst her best work. I am a big fan, I've loved her voice since first hearing her sing with ABBA but I'm far from blinkered in my admiration. She's recorded some stinkers in her time lol I feel pretty certain even Agnetha would agree with that and even laugh about it. It's the same across the arts....amazing directors have directed some dreadful films and even the best actors have appeared in some dodgy ones. It's no biggie.
Regarding the picture I posted of Agnetha (which I really like btw), this kind of real photograph showing the human being behind the sometimes glamorous persona is what I wish she'd bring to her music more. If I have one 'complaint' it's what I personally feel to be overuse of autotune and filtering or whatever the jiggery-pokery goes on in the studio. I get why it's been used and it's all modern and that but old timers like me would be more than happy with Agnetha's mature voice- wobbles, cracks and all.
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Post by evilincarnate on Sept 1, 2023 14:28:47 GMT
I realise this will be an unpopular comment, but I'm rather glad the single is so poor and that Agnetha herself has had minimal input regarding the album.
I understand she claims to have initiated the project and has approved the new mixes, but I was somewhat disappointed at the prospect of her having been toiling away on a solo album for an extended period (as was indicated in the press release or perhaps rumoured?).
I'm not keen on her reigniting a solo career and would prefer she dedicate her last vital years to ABBA - just as I do the other members.
I do realise that anything beyond two or three ABBA tracks being released in 2024 is unlikely, but if there is a possibility of one last album (or more than just a handful of new recordings), they all need to be focussing on group activities and not watered-down solo projects, none of which are ever truly satisfying.
I must say the new single further highlights the deterioration of Agnetha's voice, which is more apparent when the actual material is so lacking. Benny and Bjorn really know how to play to the girls' strengths and the quality of songwriting present on 'Voyage' is even more evident when compared with this latest solo effort. "I Can Be That Woman" and "Keep An Eye On Dan" are perfect examples of how the boys have crafted songs around Agnetha's reduced vocal range and diminished power because she actually sounds rather splendid on these recordings. I love her mature, husky voice and want to actually appreciate it rather than be assaulted by unnecessary distortion and production that distracts one from the perceived shortcomings.
Agnetha and Frida in particular are a force to be reckoned with and need to harness their combined magic whilst it's still attainable.
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2023 15:43:45 GMT
Clearly not an unpopular comment at all, evilincarnate, as you have six likes for it! 😀 |
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 1, 2023 16:33:04 GMT
UKs radio 2, a huge advocate of ABBA , and Agnetha, has just published next weeks top playlist, categories A, B, C and Agnetha, No where to be seen..
After all that publicity and interview with Zoe Ball..
Makes you wonder 🤔
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Post by johnny on Sept 1, 2023 16:55:17 GMT
Chart News: Agnetha
UK Singles Sales #27
UK Downloads #25
itunes UK #5
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 1, 2023 17:05:33 GMT
My thinking is "why not both?" In my experience, creativity begets creativity. And there's that adage that recommends asking a busy person if you want something done. Agnetha and/or Frida working on solo music would only be, I think, beneficial to any new ABBA project. It keeps their voices limber, their creative juices flowing for harmonies and the other production contributions they tend to make to recordings. Given that Benny and Bjorn tend to hog the studio for quite a while before Agnetha and Frida arrive for their parts, I don't see why the women can't go and do their own thing on their own time.
In an ideal world, Agnetha could be recording in Stockholm, Frida recording in Zurich, Stockholm, London or Majorca (or wherever Princess Jetset finds herself). The beards could be noodling away to their hearts' content in Benny's studio. Result: three great new albums in succession. Remember how it was in the eighties? 1981 - new ABBA album; 1982 - new ABBA singles and compilation + a new Frida album; 1983 - Agnetha serves an album; 1984 - Frida returns the volley and B&B chip in with Chess; 1985 and 1988, Agnetha delivers more albums. True, everyone concerned is considerably older. But they can still write and produce. They can still sing.
Make hay while the sun shines, ladies. That grumpy bloke and his wordy sidekick are not your bosses. If the Voyage album and the show have lit a creative fire under you, get yourselves into some studios. I'll buy the LPs/CDs.
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Post by bjorenny on Sept 1, 2023 17:46:12 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a Scrooge, even in these 'cost of living crisis' times, I was just about to order one of the bundles off the official Agnetha website (which I can't really afford but can't resist) and there's a section to add a promo code. Does anybody know of any available codes before I place my order?
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2023 18:20:39 GMT
Not aware of any code, bjorenny. I saw that when I ordered. Even though she’s changed record companies, it appeared to have remembered my log-in from ten years ago. Doubtless someone, somewhere, has a code but I doubt it’s widely publicised. If you haven’t actually ordered yet, prepare yourself for the postage costs. All going well until that point, but they don’t reveal that until the last minute, which is after they’ve sucked you in with what appear to be fairly reasonable prices! (As with the evening of the live stream on 2 Sept 2021, I got a bit trigger-happy with my order. Wed in haste and repent at leisure, as they used to say. Or was that just Mrs Mangel?) |
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Post by bjorenny on Sept 1, 2023 18:26:03 GMT
Not aware of any code, bjorenny. I saw that when I ordered. Even though she’s changed record companies, it appeared to have remembered my log-in from ten years ago. Doubtless someone, somewhere, has a code but I doubt it’s widely publicised. If you haven’t actually ordered yet, prepare yourself for the postage costs. All going well until that point, but they don’t reveal that until the last minute, which is after they’ve sucked you in with what appear to be fairly reasonable prices! (As with the evening of the live stream on 2 Sept 2021, I got a bit trigger-happy with my order. Wed in haste and repent at leisure, as they used to say. Or was that just Mrs Mangel?) |
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Post by bjorenny on Sept 1, 2023 18:28:14 GMT
Thanks, Alan. I'll just do Paypal 'pay in 3' and spread the cost. It was worth a try. Mrs Mangel - now there's a blast from the past! 😁
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2023 18:34:54 GMT
Mrs Mangel - now there's a blast from the past! 😁 I’ve just been trying to think when she said that, and I believe it was Des and Daphne’s wedding where they eloped, thinking that Des had broken his arm on his buck’s night. He hadn’t, so in true Neighbours style they were contacted in time and then married properly. evilincarnate mentioned Lou Carpenter earlier so I must have late 1980s Neighbours lodged in my mind forever! |
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Post by evilincarnate on Sept 2, 2023 6:43:36 GMT
My thinking is "why not both?" In my experience, creativity begets creativity. And there's that adage that recommends asking a busy person if you want something done. Agnetha and/or Frida working on solo music would only be, I think, beneficial to any new ABBA project. It keeps their voices limber, their creative juices flowing for harmonies and the other production contributions they tend to make to recordings. Given that Benny and Bjorn tend to hog the studio for quite a while before Agnetha and Frida arrive for their parts, I don't see why the women can't go and do their own thing on their own time. In an ideal world, Agnetha could be recording in Stockholm, Frida recording in Zurich, Stockholm, London or Majorca (or wherever Princess Jetset finds herself). The beards could be noodling away to their hearts' content in Benny's studio. Result: three great new albums in succession. Remember how it was in the eighties? 1981 - new ABBA album; 1982 - new ABBA singles and compilation + a new Frida album; 1983 - Agnetha serves an album; 1984 - Frida returns the volley and B&B chip in with Chess; 1985 and 1988, Agnetha delivers more albums. True, everyone concerned is considerably older. But they can still write and produce. They can still sing. Make hay while the sun shines, ladies. That grumpy bloke and his wordy sidekick are not your bosses. If the Voyage album and the show have lit a creative fire under you, get yourselves into some studios. I'll buy the LPs/CDs. Tony, I certainly understand your position and agree to an extent with the points you make. However, I suspect that at this stage of the game, any effort exerted by either Agnetha or Frida solo-wise may remind them of the reasons they remained out of the limelight for such lengthy periods. It would seem that the recent press release concerning Agentha's new album was at best misleading in terms of her input and any potential promotion she's willing to undertake. My concern is that her appetite for more ABBA-related projects might wane, particularly with the advancement of age and the rather mediocre (at best) new track, which most probably will be forgotten within weeks (in terms of the general public's interest). That said, I purchased the single from iTunes within minutes of it being available and have pre-ordered a couple of the vinyl/cd bundles from the official website as I will always support any of the band's endeavours, particularly physical media releases. I wish Agentha well but continue to harbour concerns. I certainly subscribe to the idea of both Agentha and Frida keeping their voices in check and being involved in the creative process, but A+ would not suggest Agnetha has had any major input or autonomy this time around. The 'reimagined' album is the work of the associated production team and Agnetha's vocal contribution to the new single is, well, not exactly up with her best work (in my opinion, of course). Whilst I concede that the recording studio is indeed the domain of Benny and to some extent, Bjorn (these days), I would prefer that the ladies be increasing their time with them where possible, being involved in the whole production rather than just summoned to lay down vocals at intervals. Of course, this courtesy would most likely never be extended their way, but it could reap wonderful rewards. (Wishful thinking on my part, I know.) Unfortunately, we're no longer living in the 1980's and I'd be surprised if the impetus to create in the way they did back then still existed for any or all of the band members. It's certainly my impression that Agnetha did not necessarily have any creative input regarding her latest project other than in name - and of course, her sub-par vocals on "Where Do We Go From Here?". My other concern is that I don't believe there is anyone out there, other than Benny and Bjorn, who know how to write for Agentha and Frida in a sympathetic and meaningful way, as evidenced by the smattering of solo releases over the years. Granted, Frida sounded fantastic on the one-off tracks she's had involvement in during the last twenty years and Agnetha was in fine voice on 'My Colouring Book', but that was a collection of 'classic' covers - i.e. established songs that were simply reinterpreted (the quality of actual songs is undeniable). I even believe portions of 'A' (from 2013) were quite impressive - there are about four, maybe five good to excellent tracks from that album, but none of them compare with ABBA's stellar compositions/productions. What I do fear is that Agnetha seems to be impressed by the vocal manipulations of the production team behind 'A+', which makes me wonder if she has lost confidence in her current vocal capabilities? I hope I'm wrong about this and that she is having the time of her life, feeling completely liberated and in control these days. I would just also hope that she remains keen on ABBA as an entity, which seemed to be the case as recently as the 'Voyage' premiere last year. I suspect she is.  |
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Post by johnny on Sept 2, 2023 8:16:48 GMT
Very good points, Evilincarnate.
We are indeed not in the 1980s and time is running out for ABBA if they want to do another album or indeed just a few tracks.Realstically, the Voyage album was it. Maybe though we might get those unfinished songs. It would be very much in hope rather than expectation we'll get something new.
In particular, Agnetha's vocal range has diminished and the new song demonstrates it needs to be manipulated. I notice Agnetha's best vocal performances on Voyage were recorded earlier. The chorus of ISHFIY and the leads on DSMD and ICBTW. 'Dan' was very much in that speak-sing style and on joint vocals Agnetha's voice isn't clear. Was that deliberate?
I think the information sent to the press about "a new album" was either misinterpreted - by everyone, or more likely, imo, a deliberate attempt to "sex up" what is essentially a deluxe edition release with one new song. It is a new album of course but expectation was it was a new studio album.
Spot on about Benny and Bjorn knowing how to write for Agnetha and Frida. Through their solo careers they lacked for the most part great writers and producers. We need all four to have that magic.
Final thought, wouldn't it have been interesting if the Bee Gees could have written for the girls in the 1980s? They worked their magic on -and revived the careers of Barbra Striesand, Dionne Warick, Diana Ross and that duet by Kenny and Dolly. If only....
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Post by Michel on Sept 2, 2023 8:26:48 GMT
According to the latest fanclub magazine Agnetha's song is accompanied by an animated video so I assume that will be released shortly.
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Post by johnny on Sept 2, 2023 8:28:39 GMT
^Hopefully The Simpsons. It might generate some interest then....ouch!
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Post by Alan on Sept 2, 2023 8:31:51 GMT
According to the latest fanclub magazine Agnetha's song is accompanied by an animated video so I assume that will be released shortly. Guessing that will explain the picture disc design (which on its own seemed a bit bonkers!). Presumably they can’t use the Agnetha-tar so have had to resort to animation instead. What I’d like to see in that is Agnetha through the ages, all the various looks she’s had over the decades (so the picture disc design would just be one of them). I’m thinking of something like George Michael’s Shoot The Dog (ignoring the political stuff in that).  |
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Post by voyage2 on Sept 2, 2023 10:00:06 GMT
My favourite English language album by Agnetha is by far My Colouring Book, love it. I'll never forget hearing If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind on the radio for the first time, wonderful. I'm sure the composer said somewhere that he loved Agnetha's version the most?
I do feel sympathy for Agnetha and Frida, as anything they do will always, unfairly, be compared to ABBA's output. Maybe we should compare to other female singers, I'm sure most have pretty mediocre songs on their albums too, as do most artists. And of course, it's all down to personal taste at the end of the day. I like the new song, but unsure of the vocal treatment, it's ok and not as manipulated as I thought it would be. Plus I doubt the older tracks on 'A' need much, if any, altering.
On the 2 unreleased ABBA tracks, Benny saying they are good is high praise coming from him!
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Post by joseph on Sept 2, 2023 11:05:23 GMT
I think I'm guilty of a couple of things. Going by the title, I allowed myself to go on a flight of fancy that the title meant the song might be an introspective, reflective ballad on the meaning of life. All haunting and angsty and deep and stuff. That's what I'm mostly drawn to I guess. Then that the vocals wouldn't be somehow treated. I mean, that's par for the course these days. I do feel it was brave of Agnetha to record again, especially given that she's an introvert (at least in my estimation). I'm going to say what I like about the song so far: The lyrics and the summery, balmy feel of the track. I like the verses because you can tell it's Agnetha but if I'm honest I'm not 100% certain I'd recognise Agnetha from that chorus at all, which is shocking to me because I pride myself on believing that I'd know Agnetha (and Frida's) voices anywhere, even the merest whisper in a busy shopping centre would prick up my ears.
I don't hate the track and I'm hopeful I'll grow to like it more over time. I'm also hopeful that A+ will be refreshing and a joy to my ears. I'm not crazy about the original album although I do love Bubble and Past Forever. It's no secret that My Colouring Book is, for me, the highlight of her solo career for me on a very personal level. The whole album is an indulgent joy to me and a bit of a wallow-fest lol Selfishly, I'd have been more than happy with My Colouring Book part 2 but it's not about what I want.
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 2, 2023 11:16:50 GMT
Good rebuttal, Phil!
Frida summed up her resistance to the idea of a new album in that gorgeous interview a few years back: why expose yourself to all that criticism? And she has a point: even we fans are criticising Agnetha's latest new-but-not-really venture. To be clear, I'm criticising the song (writing, production and, to be fair, the performance - Agnetha deserves better and has delivered better). But I think Voyage has shown them how things can be done. Their status as living legends and their age afford them a certain amount of leeway in terms of the levels of promotion they undertake - or don't. I think Voyage has blown some oxygen into the bedded embers of their creativity. From what they've said, I get the sense from both women that being back in the studio was a tonic. The footage showed some happy faces and, when they were recording, proper engagement behind the mic. I'd be confident that both women could deliver new solo projects and let their well-paid teams do the heavy lifting in the market place.
I take your point about the varying quality of solo material released over the years. As oppressive as Stig's meddling was at certain points (especially with the first English solo albums from each), the women themselves chose and approved the bulk of the material. While some of it was more "successful" than others (depending on your definition of success - hopefully not just commercial), the less "successful" tracks were often pretty reflective of the women themselves. B&B took two very different, very talented interpreters of song and moulded them into an ABBA shape. That made it difficult for them to forge their own identities as solo artists afterwards. Agnetha was slower to discard that shaping - or maybe it was more aligned with her sensibilities. Frida moved away from it more emphatically straight away. And yet we couldn't help ourselves when it came to seeing whether Twist In The Dark or We Should Be Together feel enough like ABBA songs. But I think there are writers who can write for them. In the 80s, though, they relied on people who were performers themselves and kept the better songs, offering more tepid creation to our heroines. We know you had better than The Way You Do, Bryan Ferry - Frida would have killed with More Than This. And Jeff Lynne did Agnetha dirty with One Way Love. Then again, maybe it's have shone like Xanadu if he had produced it. There are moments where certain solo albums satisfy me way more than an ABBA album. These brilliant women bring so much to the table.
So, yeah, the idea that ABBA, Agnetha, Frida, BAO might leapfrog releases at the rate they did in the 80s is ridiculous. My bad. It would be ideal if the women were involved in all aspects of the studio work for a new ABBA project - but would Benny really allow that? I get the impression that even Bjorn has had to wait until he's spoken to before he speaks.
I wonder how different our response to the new project would be if Agnetha's team hadn't prick-teased us to within an inch of our lives? If it had started off honestly with a "guys, I got to thinking..." rather than "sell a kidney, you're gonna want EVERYTHING" would we have reacted to the new song with a different kind of interest? Would it be more like "oh, right, I see what you're doing" and not "where is the carefully crafted new music that's going to rule our collective existence for the foreseeable?" There remains a solid core of affection for A but which of its fans would suggest that WDWGFH would have been the credible lead single? The criticism - such as it is - is not Agnetha bashing, it seems focused on an over-sold second-tier single. And that's where Agnetha's team have let her down, I think. Like you say, Phil, it suggests that she has little autonomy here. And she seems so enthusiastic about her music - is she settling for this in the absence of anything more fulfilling? I hope she truly loves what they've done with the album (if they've wrecked Past Forever, I'll take a rolled-up magazine to the backs of their legs).
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Post by richard on Sept 2, 2023 12:06:29 GMT
I realise I dislike this song in itself, regardless of who sang it; and I dislike this vocal manipulation, regardless of whose voice was being manipulated this way. For me, either use an AI model of Agnetha's younger voice (that is, an emulation of her natural, untreated, younger voice), or songs that somehow accord with that lovely 'unadorned' photo of today's older Agnetha that Joseph posted. Or either option in different contexts.
It's likely that the first option will be increasingly deployed in the future by, and for, older artists, anyway.
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Post by Tinneke on Sept 2, 2023 12:43:22 GMT
You are stuck in the past. Vocal manipulation is common these days. I love it on this great catchy song. Bravo Agnetha!
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Post by evilincarnate on Sept 2, 2023 13:02:43 GMT
Tony, thank you for your insightful and once again, extremely amusing post, prick teasing and all! I'll start readying those magazines just in case!!  Talk about coincidence... I was explaining to my partner last night (who couldn't care less for anything ABBA-related) about how, for me, Agnetha's 'Eyes Of A Woman' album, was the nadir of her career, despite having members of 10CC and ELO involved. I actually referenced that if Jeff Lynne had offered up a song approaching the calibre of 'Xandadu' and Eric Stewart something in the ballpark of "I'm Not In Love", she could have been onto a winner. Instead, she had perhaps the thinnest sounding album of the decade with songs that bordered on amateurish. The memory of this period actually makes my blood run cold. Richard, I too would have disliked "Where Do We Go From Here?", irrespective of who had recorded it. As for the chorus vocals, I don't know whether they are a combination of Agnetha's vocals altered beyond recognition or a host of fembots mimicking her - perhaps both? Joseph, I too was hoping the new track would be introspective and perhaps channel the melancholia so well mined during ABBA's heyday, but alas, it's just a disposable slice of s**t. Whilst 'My Colouring Book' isn't necessarily my favourite Agnetha solo album, I do rate it highly due to her vocals and phrasing being top notch. She sounds magnificent throughout. Just on a completely unrelated note, has anyone else noticed at the 3:09 mark of "Bubble", Agnetha's double-tracked harmony vocal on the line "rainbow skies" sounds uncannily like Frida accompanying her? I've always thought this and wondered if I was simply going insane? |
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Post by richard on Sept 2, 2023 13:08:55 GMT
If my opinions about this track get up your nose, Tinneke,, you know what to do - sneeze. And I'll avoid you from now on.
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Post by Alan on Sept 2, 2023 13:11:32 GMT
You are stuck in the past. Vocal manipulation is common these days. That doesn’t mean we have to like it, and have every right to say we don’t. Someone on another forum said “Shame about the vocal processing but everyone does that these days” as though that makes it OK. We have to accept it. Er, no we don’t! If this is the way it’s going, I’ll be listening to even less new music than I do already. And I’m absolutely fine with that. I’ve got about 18,000 songs on my phone (OK, so a lot of duplicates). More than enough there and some I’ll probably never listen to again. I therefore certainly don’t need to waste my time listening to modern, fake vocals. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 2, 2023 13:45:11 GMT
You are stuck in the past. Vocal manipulation is common these days. I love it on this great catchy song. Bravo Agnetha! I'm willing to bet that if WDWGFH had been released (with the same arrangement and production) by Frida, you'd have been sneering about it being "proof" that she couldn't sing. Maybe you think we don't see you, Tinneke. Getting aggressive with people who don't share your view is not going to change their minds. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 2, 2023 13:54:21 GMT
I realise I dislike this song in itself, regardless of who sang it; and I dislike this vocal manipulation, regardless of whose voice was being manipulated this way. For me, either use an AI model of Agnetha's younger voice (that is, an emulation of her natural, untreated, younger voice), or songs that somehow accord with that lovely 'unadorned' photo of today's older Agnetha that Joseph posted. Or either option in different contexts. It's likely that the first option will be increasingly deployed in the future by, and for, older artists, anyway. For all that autotune is a stylistic part of modern production, it has been laid on very thickly here. The layering of the vocals in the chorus is odd. It's like they've tried to make it sound like a single voice, where a more obviously layered mix would have given the feel of multiple voices - and might have lifted things. The technique seems to have thinned the vocal sound, which is an odd choice for a chorus. There have been times where Agnetha has been backed by other singers - especially the WYAAM album - and she has shone because of it. The song itself might be the culprit. For me, the chorus takes too long to deliver a hook and it's not the greatest hook either when it appears. Take a song like When You Really Loved Someone: there are hooks from the very beginning of the verse and the chorus sounds even greater because of it. This time around, the arrangement is cluttered and pushes hard against what Agnetha is doing, undermining her. The problem is the song. Not Agnetha. Not even the heavy-handed autotune. The song is relying too much on production to elevate it. EDIT: You mention AI replicating Agnetha's younger voice. Personally, I'd hate that. I like the age in her voice. It keeps warmth and humanity there. Choosing material to suit that would be my preference. |
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Post by lamont on Sept 2, 2023 14:53:42 GMT
I noticed some saying that A had some auto tune adjustments manipulated into the sound, I wonder if Agnetha’s voice was faltering then. I recall Agnetha saying that she was in tears hearing her voice in the home studio of Jorgen, whereas he was raving about it, maybe to boost her confidence etc, and knowing he could improve it.
Agnetha did sound great on Voyage, though in some choruses it’s more Frida lead than Agnetha.
There was a chap on YouTube who analysed their vocals on DSMD and stated there is only one phrase that is auto tuned in the whole song, and that’s in the verse.
I wonder if B&B really then know how to produce their vocals getting best out of them, or if Agnetha took more singing lessons. Her voice on WDWGFH, though beautiful on the verses, is croaky. The chorus is ok too, though the song is too similar to Perfume In The Breeze and Back On The Radio. It is like an outtake. Good on Agnetha returning though.
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Post by richard on Sept 2, 2023 15:18:23 GMT
For me, that's the best critique/review of the track I've read, Tony.
Agree, too, about the coldness that's likely to be an aspect of AI vocal models, no matter how brilliantly done otherwise. Mind you, I think such current studio vocal manipulation that I've heard is often producing at least similar fakery, and thereby taking away the warmth from someone's older voice, including Agnetha's.
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