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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 9:47:57 GMT
So which of the nine feels most festive for you? Maybe it's the material itself (explicitly or implicitly) or just the album's general 'feel'. Or maybe it's got personal associations relating to Christmas.
For me, it's Super Trouper. It's the only one I was ever given as a Christmas present (1980, obviously). Then there's the presence of Happy New Year, of course. But more than that, this album has that nostalgic, slightly wistful, somewhat wintry air that's part and parcel of this time of year - all of which comes out not just on The Way Old Friends Do but on tracks like Our Last Summer as well. Even the pagan-y vibe of The Piper locks in rather neatly with the whole solstice thing. No? Probably just me, then! But what about you?
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Post by johnny on Dec 20, 2023 12:20:15 GMT
Super Trouper is the more 'festive' sounding rather than Chrismassy per se.
The title track has a Christmassy feel with the music. Happy New Year IS a song about New Year's Eve - whatever Alan says!
The Way Old Friends Do has a New Year feel to. It's a bit Auld Lyne Sang feel to it. I once described it in an Abba forum as 'hogmonay' and several people had to look up that peculier word.
The Visitors is the most Winter album. Like Narnia, always winter but never Christmas.
People in the Southern Hemisphere associate Christmas with hot, sunny days of course.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Dec 20, 2023 20:27:32 GMT
Gonna go with The Visitors.
When All Is Said And Done - before Little Things I considered this ABBA's most Christmassy song, especially the intro.
Soldiers - takes place in December. More macabre than a typical Christmas song though.
Like An Angel Passing Through My Room - could so imagine an elderly lady saying the words of this song to herself on a lonely Christmas Eve.
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Post by johnny on Dec 20, 2023 21:50:57 GMT
Here's US sketch dhow Saturday Night Live take on ABBA Christmas songs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 14:36:58 GMT
Although 'Super Trouper' is my choice, 'The Visitors' has definitely got to be in the conversation. A winter album in every sense. Quite apart from its date of release, there's the chilly feel of a lot of the material - not to mention the frosty relationships. It all screams 'dark days, long nights' - reflected neatly in the album cover, of course.
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Post by Alan on Dec 21, 2023 16:47:18 GMT
Probably both Super Trouper and The Visitors I would say. They were both released late in the year and, to me, seem very dark. The Visitors is without doubt their darkest album but Super Trouper is very close. Voulez-Vous feels very summery in comparison (and it was released in late April, so even after 44 years it’s kept that).
The Visitors just about edges it, as it even has the lyric about a cold December and most of the songs do feel quite cold (and of course, Head Over Heels tries so hard - too hard - not to be cold and dark but ends up not far off from the other eight tracks). Also ABBA looked completely crap at the time so definitely appeared to be in the winter of their existence (which they were, but not much better to look at in late 1980 though).
December 1981 was cold, so Soldiers was correct - we had snow before New Year and even had three ducks take up temporary residence in our garden for a few days. And I think it went on into 1982.
Today is the darkest day of the year in the northern hemisphere. The solstice happens at 03:28 in the early hours of tomorrow. I much prefer this day than the summer solstice as with that, the days will be getting shorter again.
The thing is, what is Christmas? I’m pretty certain it was invented by someone in the northern hemisphere in order to brighten up the darkest days of the year. It merged with/took over the pagan festival of Yule. It’s unlikely that a certain person - whether real or not (and if real then probably not who they were purported to be) - was actually born at this time of year. It’s all a load of nonsense really but the Christmas lights do break up the winter.
The southern hemisphere should really have their Christmas on 25 June - it would be no less accurate than December!
Sorry if some of my post is controversial and at odds with anyone’s beliefs…
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Post by johnny on Dec 21, 2023 19:04:03 GMT
The Visitors is cerianly more Winter than Super Trouper but I don't think more Chrismassy.
Yep, I'm sure the Christmas date was to replace the Pagan mid Winter festival.
As for the person most associated with Christmas - I can assure you Father Christmas is indeed very real.
The Royal Mail could learn a thing or two about his speed and efficiency. And Amazon. I have a joke about Amazon but the delivery needs working on. Boom boom.
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Post by Alan on Dec 21, 2023 21:57:16 GMT
Changing the subject slightly but…
Is it just me or did ABBA have something in common with The Good Life (classic 1970s self-sufficiency BBC sitcom)? I watched the Christmas special from 1977 earlier for the umpteenth time (it seems to be on every single year). Bear with me…
Barbara Good, played by Felicity Kendal. 28 when the show started, she was by far the youngest member of the cast. Blonde, all the men fancied her, and she was even voted as having the sexiest bottom (or something) at one point. Sound familiar?
Margo Leadbetter, played by Penelope Keith. 34 when the first series was filmed. Brunette. Older than Felicity but glamorous and attractive. Again, who does that remind us of?
Tom Good, played by Richard Briers. Both character and actor were 40 when the series started (12 years older than his wife). Er… not particularly attractive. As the genuine “star” of the show when it began, he was often the spokesperson of the cast. Hmm.
Jerry Leadbetter, played by Paul Eddington. 47 when the first series was shown. Similar to Tom, he was 13 years older than his screen wife. Again, not attractive. The looks were very much focussed on the women. That made him 19 years older than the youngest cast member, Felicity, but there was a somewhat mutual attraction between their characters.
Ages may be more extreme. Age difference in ABBA was only five years or so between oldest and youngest but - sorry - it might have seemed like there was more at times…
If I’m saying anything it’s that ABBA unknowingly fitted in with the culture of the times. Two married couples that were close to each other, attractive women but not attractive men (admittedly, this is arguable as Benny is very definitely some people’s “type”). The Good Life started in April 1975 so was hardly influenced by ABBA.
[It’s somehow OK to slag off the 1970s - hence the Larry Grayson stuff on here a while ago - but sexism/ageism (applying to women) is still rife in TV. The (thankfully departed) Philip Schofield was 19 years older than his former co-presenter Holly Willoughby. The same difference as Paul Eddington was to Felicity Kendal.]
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Post by jchanabbafan on Dec 21, 2023 22:19:09 GMT
Hmmm - that SNL skit was hard to watch ! The only positive thing about it was that the guy said ABBA and not 'Arbuh' We here in Australia are eagerly awaiting official notice of Voyage coming to Melbourne. That would be great if/when it happens. I'm not sure any of ABBA's albums are all that festive but a few of them were released near the end of the year so that made for some nice Christmas presents as a child in the 1970s :-) Festive Greetings to all :-)
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Post by johnny on Dec 21, 2023 22:29:36 GMT
I always thought there was a bit of a "wife swap" thing in The Good Life - not sexual but platonic with the Odd Couple the posh Margot with the nerdy Tom and the "girl next doir" Barbra with the successful Jerry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 22:46:32 GMT
If I’m saying anything it’s that ABBA unknowingly fitted in with the culture of the times. Two married couples that were close to each other, attractive women but not attractive men (admittedly, this is arguable as Benny is very definitely some people’s “type”). The Good Life stated in April 1975 so was hardly influenced by ABBA. In the rather crass terminology of that time - and from a not very creditable superficial perspective - there was definitely a common perception that both B&B were 'punching above their weight' in terms of the ladies in their lives. Ditto the sense that Tom Good had done extremely and surprisingly well for himself by securing Barbara in wedlock. In many ways, Barbara really was 'perfect partner' material. Beyond her physical attributes and highly appealing personality, she was totally and unshakably committed to helping Tom realise his (let's face it) hare-brained self-sufficiency dream, which (against all odds) kind of worked out. There are some parallels there, perhaps, with B&B's ambition to propel a band from 'little old Sweden' to international stardom - a longshot, if ever there was one, but one that nevertheless came to pass. And ABBA did indeed enjoy the good life for a number of years.
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