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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 11, 2024 22:15:12 GMT
Hot take, but I Am Just A Girl blows those other three songs out of the water.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 10:06:41 GMT
Hot take, but I Am Just A Girl blows those other three songs out of the water. [Referring to Intermezzo No. 1] Not as bad as ‘I Saw It In The Mirror’. Full disclosure - bloomin' love TFTPOO and always have. And I rather like ISIITM. Don't even mind Crazy World too much. Maybe I've just got a soft spot for Bjorn's hangdog 'three-time-loser' vocal outings. I think he does that stuff rather well! I do massively struggle with IAJAG, however. Just not my bag at all. On another topic, is LT actually improvable?
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Post by Alan on Jan 12, 2024 10:14:38 GMT
Hot take, but I Am Just A Girl blows those other three songs out of the water. Full disclosure - bloomin' love TFTPOO and always have. And I rather like ISIITM. Don't even mind Crazy World too much. I think we are the only ones, or certainly two of the very few, that do like them. It seems to be in the ABBA fan rule book - you must hate these but worship Just Like That with every bone in your body. If there was such a rule book, I’d happily tear it up! I like that we go against the grain, though it’s not intentional. I’m glad I can appreciate those. Crazy World less so, but the other two I have never disliked and actually always saw them as highlights of the albums they appear on. For ABBA dross, I’d pick Åh, Vilka Tider and You Owe Me One. And for actual singles, I’m not over-fussed with either Under Attack or Super Trouper. Oh, and Little Things. I only ever listen to it in December, but even that can’t save it. I’d rather listen to Slade or Roy Wood for the thousandth time than that one!
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Post by gary on Jan 12, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
I bow to no-one in my dislike of Little Things, which rivals I Am Just A Girl for the worst thing in the ABBA catalogue, but a while back someone on here posted a nice gentle piano-only (?) version and it really was quite nice. So I guess it could be improved.
I’ve compiled my own Greatest Hits 3 before now, with exactly the songs that Alan mentions. There are easily enough genuine hits.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 12, 2024 15:21:23 GMT
Hot take, but I Am Just A Girl blows those other three songs out of the water. Full disclosure - bloomin' love TFTPOO and always have. And I rather like ISIITM. Don't even mind Crazy World too much. Maybe I've just got a soft spot for Bjorn's hangdog 'three-time-loser' vocal outings. I think he does that stuff rather well! I do massively struggle with IAJAG, however. Just not my bag at all. Two For The Price Of One is perfectly listenable and an OK song in its own right- my only real beef is how it's so ill fitting on The Visitors album. I can sympathise with why many don't like I Am Just A Girl because the melody is average and the lyrics banal, but the vocals on it are just so magnificent I can look past its many glaring flaws. Back on topic, I rather like Intermezzo no. 1. I'd have loved it even more with some of A + F's vocals on top but it's a pleasant listen.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 12, 2024 15:24:38 GMT
If it is an EP then I expect it will be a Voyage Platinum EP - the two songs plus remixes of the two hits and maybe an improved LT as it got so much contempt! On another topic, is LT actually improvable? Listen to Matt Pop's Little Things remix and you'll have your answer. It makes the song instantly ten times better. That said my initial dislike for it was because I kept seeing it as a 'poor man's I Have A Dream'. Once I stopped comparing them I enjoyed it much more
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Post by HOMETIME on Jan 12, 2024 18:39:41 GMT
Agreed: that Matt Pop mix is fantastic.
I think Little Things would be far better if it was stripped back to just piano and one voice, in the main. Make it really sparse and delicate. Subtle reverb to sustain notes here and there. Get rid of the flutes and stuff. Nix the kids from the coda and make it instrumental - throw in strings and sleighbells for this section. Make it end like Chiquitita rather than I Have A Dream.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jan 12, 2024 18:50:25 GMT
I'm largely indifferent to Intermezzo No.1. I don't usually skip it. It's fun.
I'm one the few who doesn't mind ISIITM. I prefer it to Rock & Roll Band and MABABB. As for IAJAG, the vocals are part of the problem for me: that breathy Lift Muzak Singers style is very unABBA and makes my teeth itch. It's like something that would have been part of that awful Black And White Minstrel Show or The Good Old Days - cloying nonsense that passed for light entertainment in the early '70s. As for Just Like That, a tenner says it could be firmly mid-ranking on most lists of favourites if it had actually been released. Great chorus with an ill-fitting verse and some clunky lyrics. I think that DSMD is a very similar kind of song, but done much, much better.
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Post by mymamasaid on Jan 12, 2024 20:54:33 GMT
Hot take, but I Am Just A Girl blows those other three songs out of the water. Full disclosure - bloomin' love TFTPOO and always have. And I rather like ISIITM. Don't even mind Crazy World too much. Maybe I've just got a soft spot for Bjorn's hangdog 'three-time-loser' vocal outings. I think he does that stuff rather well! I do massively struggle with IAJAG, however. Just not my bag at all. I've been humming ISIITM most of the afternoon, is that wrong?
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Post by bennybjorn on Jan 12, 2024 23:24:37 GMT
Agreed: that Matt Pop mix is fantastic. I think Little Things would be far better if it was stripped back to just piano and one voice, in the main. Make it really sparse and delicate. Subtle reverb to sustain notes here and there. Get rid of the flutes and stuff. Nix the kids from the coda and make it instrumental - throw in strings and sleighbells for this section. Make it end like Chiquitita rather than I Have A Dream. The main problem with Little Things is the ghastly lyrics. It's like Bjorn bought a Christmas cliches machine and just cranked them out. The music has always been pretty good, and there's nothing an altered arrangement can do to change the awfulness of the lyrics.
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Post by jj on Jan 13, 2024 4:48:18 GMT
Pardon me if this is similar to another existing thread, and please feel free to incorporate it into an older one, Alan, but a song I have always liked and ("I'm not ashamed to say") gives me much enjoyment (though it never "almost makes me cry") is, <drum-roll>... I Am Just A Girl. Yes! You heard it. I love it! Go have a lie down and take an aspirin now if you need one. I am unashamed and unrepentant.
I didn't add this post to the "Songs I made peace with" because I've always loved it, ever since 1976 on my first hearing. Even though it certainly wouldn't make my top 50 favourite ABBA songs, I still do love it. So there.
"Two for the Price of One" is also a firm favourite, as is ISIITM and My Mama Said. I love the verses of Bobby's Brother, it's the chorus that I get bored with. It (the chorus) sounds like something a teacher would force a class of kids to sing on the bus for a school excursion.
I have the same misgivings others have about JLT, and I agree the chorus is very nice despite the awkward lyrics. The song's verse lyrics are even clunkier.
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Post by Alan on Jan 13, 2024 8:48:11 GMT
I’m liking both your post and the thread title, jj. 😃 Excellent. What has inspired and provoked us is, I’m afraid, this post:I find this attitude quite dismissive - it’s almost saying no one’s allowed to like these songs as the rule book says you can’t. The post made me want to go “Then again maybe yes, yes, yes!!” And @thisboycries agreed, I think! But yes, thanks jj for creating this thread (the words used in the title may have been mine but their use in the title wasn’t). I have moved some posts to it.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jan 13, 2024 13:07:26 GMT
[...] I am unashamed and unrepentant.
And that's exactly how it should be. We're not answerable to anyone else for what we like/dislike. Too many of us (including me) have a tendency to express opinions like they're cast iron facts, when the truth is that they utterly subjective, sometimes irrational and often uninteresting personal views.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 13:41:08 GMT
Taking Alan's point a bit further, it's always nice to be able to come to the defence of a song or whatever that you think gets unjustly maligned. And picking up on Tony's, the great thing about personal views on music is that they can be highly individual, totally unreliable, subject to change - and don't even need to be justified. Not that that stops us, of course. Not sure what page of the rulebook I'll find JLT on, but I'll probably skip over it anyway. It's a real 'meh' song, for me, and I really can't work myself up into a dudgeon - high or otherwise - over whether it should properly see the light of day. As far as I'm concerned, it's just another of the underwhelming Class of '82. Not a colossal fan of any of those songs tbh, though TDBYC is clearly comfortably the best of the bunch. As for TFTPOO, I AM genuinely surprised it attracts SO much 'stick'. Full of lovely little melodies and musical touches, just the faintest whiff/hint of musical theatre and, most of all, what about those backing vocals?! A&F's 'If you are dreaming" bit really is one of my favourite things in the whole ABBA catalogue and "we-eeeeeeeee may be the answer"... Just fabulous!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 13:46:15 GMT
On another topic, is LT actually improvable? Listen to Matt Pop's Little Things remix and you'll have your answer. It makes the song instantly ten times better. Can't seem to find that on YouTube.
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Post by iiwftn on Jan 13, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
The difficult-to-decipher acronyms are strong on this thread!
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Post by johnny on Jan 13, 2024 18:59:54 GMT
This reminds me of discussions about "guilty pleasures".
Why be ashamed of your subjective liking of a song because "they" don't like it...
The flip side of this is songs that get positive reviews but you don't like. I nominate The Day Before You Came.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 13, 2024 20:01:58 GMT
I'd like to toss my hat in the ring for a song that I believe to be thoroughly underrated - Gonna Sing You My Love Song.
I absolutely love it, it's probably my favourite Waterloo album song after the title track and Honey Honey.
Frida's vocals on it are gorgeous throughout, the chorus harmonies are great, the bridge is magnificent... but what I also like is the hidden 'sinister' meaning behind the lyrics, disguised by how saccharine the rest of the song is.
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Post by Alan on Jan 13, 2024 22:36:48 GMT
As for TFTPOO, I AM genuinely surprised it attracts SO much 'stick'. Full of lovely little melodies and musical touches, just the faintest whiff/hint of musical theatre and, most of all, what about those backing vocals?! A&F's 'If you are dreaming" bit really is one of my favourite things in the whole ABBA catalogue and "we-eeeeeeeee may be the answer"... Just fabulous! Couldn’t agree more. I think the backing vocals are: If you are dreaming of someone that would be right for you Why don't you call us and then you’ll get two for the price of one We may be the answer to your problem, if by chance you feel blue Why don't you call us and then you’ll get two for the price of one Or: [“then” removed] It’s probably a similar reason why I like I Saw It In The Mirror. You get A & F repeating what the guys say but also some other lines (“Cry, I never thought I could cry for you”). I love it!
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Post by evilincarnate on Jan 14, 2024 10:14:46 GMT
Whilst I'm not a major fan of either "I Saw It In The Mirror" or "Two For The Price Of One", there is no denying the backing vocals are splendid, particularly the more complex vocal arrangement on the latter - pure genius!
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Post by HOMETIME on Jan 14, 2024 15:18:23 GMT
I'd like to toss my hat in the ring for a song that I believe to be thoroughly underrated - Gonna Sing You My Love Song. I absolutely love it, it's probably my favourite Waterloo album song after the title track and Honey Honey. Frida's vocals on it are gorgeous throughout, the chorus harmonies are great, the bridge is magnificent... but what I also like is the hidden 'sinister' meaning behind the lyrics, disguised by how saccharine the rest of the song is. A truly gorgeous song, production and performance. My favourite from the Waterloo album by quite a distance. I'm not sure I'd agree that it's in any way sinister. I see it as casting Frida as "the other woman" - as she was a few times in her early solo career (Tre Kfart Fran Nu, Aldrig Mej etc.). The theme is very similar to Dusty Springfield's "Breakfast In Bed" - the guys come to Dusty and Frida in tears because of how their wives have treated/upset them and Frida/Dusty offer succour. It's clear in both songs that the guy has been there before. A racy enough theme for the otherwise cute'n'cuddly ABBA we were being sold in those early days.
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Post by iiwftn on Jan 14, 2024 23:44:27 GMT
I'd like to toss my hat in the ring for a song that I believe to be thoroughly underrated - Gonna Sing You My Love Song. I absolutely love it, it's probably my favourite Waterloo album song after the title track and Honey Honey. Frida's vocals on it are gorgeous throughout, the chorus harmonies are great, the bridge is magnificent... but what I also like is the hidden 'sinister' meaning behind the lyrics, disguised by how saccharine the rest of the song is. My all-time second favourite ABBA song. It is magnificent. Whilst ABBA’s biggest and most famous hits belong to everyone, this early album track belongs only to the fans who know them best.
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Post by tagaytay on Jan 15, 2024 0:30:22 GMT
On another topic, is LT actually improvable?
Ha! I liked Little Things from the get-go. not my favorite but i definitely dont hate it and i dont skip over it when playing the album. I also didnt like the video but only because I didnt see the two ABBA ladies there. Definitely a matter of taste, and this is from a ABBA die hard fan who is also a big fan of Black Sabbath-the ozzy years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 11:24:13 GMT
On another topic, is LT actually improvable?
Ha! I liked Little Things from the get-go. not my favorite but i definitely dont hate it and i dont skip over it when playing the album. I also didnt like the video but only because I didnt see the two ABBA ladies there. Definitely a matter of taste, and this is from a ABBA die hard fan who is also a big fan of Black Sabbath-the ozzy years.
Excellent. I'm one of the very few who absolutely loves BS's Never Say Die album! And the fact that the word ABBA lurks inside Black Sabbath is simply brilliant, of course.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 15, 2024 15:04:02 GMT
I'd like to toss my hat in the ring for a song that I believe to be thoroughly underrated - Gonna Sing You My Love Song. I absolutely love it, it's probably my favourite Waterloo album song after the title track and Honey Honey. Frida's vocals on it are gorgeous throughout, the chorus harmonies are great, the bridge is magnificent... but what I also like is the hidden 'sinister' meaning behind the lyrics, disguised by how saccharine the rest of the song is. A truly gorgeous song, production and performance. My favourite from the Waterloo album by quite a distance. I'm not sure I'd agree that it's in any way sinister. I see it as casting Frida as "the other woman" - as she was a few times in her early solo career (Tre Kfart Fran Nu, Aldrig Mej etc.). The theme is very similar to Dusty Springfield's "Breakfast In Bed" - the guys come to Dusty and Frida in tears because of how their wives have treated/upset them and Frida/Dusty offer succour. It's clear in both songs that the guy has been there before. A racy enough theme for the otherwise cute'n'cuddly ABBA we were being sold in those early days. It's probably not an opinion shared by many, but GSYMLS gives me full 'emotional manipulation' vibes. 'No one can love you like I do', 'oh but would she even CARE if you weren't there?' kinda vibes. Plus it's on the same album as 'Watch Out' and 'Sitting In The Palmtree'.
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Post by mymamasaid on Jan 20, 2024 15:34:31 GMT
Ha! I liked Little Things from the get-go. not my favorite but i definitely dont hate it and i dont skip over it when playing the album. I also didnt like the video but only because I didnt see the two ABBA ladies there. Definitely a matter of taste, and this is from a ABBA die hard fan who is also a big fan of Black Sabbath-the ozzy years.
Excellent. I'm one of the very few who absolutely loves BS's Never Say Die album! And the fact that the word ABBA lurks inside Black Sabbath is simply brilliant, of course. Hahahaha!
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Post by mymamasaid on Jan 20, 2024 15:37:05 GMT
Taking Alan's point a bit further, it's always nice to be able to come to the defence of a song or whatever that you think gets unjustly maligned. And picking up on Tony's, the great thing about personal views on music is that they can be highly individual, totally unreliable, subject to change - and don't even need to be justified. Not that that stops us, of course. Not sure what page of the rulebook I'll find JLT on, but I'll probably skip over it anyway. It's a real 'meh' song, for me, and I really can't work myself up into a dudgeon - high or otherwise - over whether it should properly see the light of day. As far as I'm concerned, it's just another of the underwhelming Class of '82. Not a colossal fan of any of those songs tbh, though TDBYC is clearly comfortably the best of the bunch. As for TFTPOO, I AM genuinely surprised it attracts SO much 'stick'. Full of lovely little melodies and musical touches, just the faintest whiff/hint of musical theatre and, most of all, what about those backing vocals?! A&F's 'If you are dreaming" bit really is one of my favourite things in the whole ABBA catalogue and "we-eeeeeeeee may be the answer"... Just fabulous! Totally agree on TFTPOO. Clever, elegant, ironic. Delightfully mature song-writing.
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Post by Alan on Jan 20, 2024 16:29:08 GMT
Totally agree on TFTPOO. Clever, elegant, ironic. Delightfully mature song-writing. It is great to see posts like this and the one you were quoting. Followers of the fan rule book irritate the hell out of me. Do some people feel afraid to go against the grain? Fear of being ridiculed? And also, if you’re not over-enthusiastic about, say, Just Like That you’re somehow a traitor against the community and are personally responsible for it not being released. To add to the rule book, liking anything Agnetha releases. Not making it obvious that you might prefer her to Frida, but enough to stamp on anyone that doesn’t agree with you (which is what killed the A+/Where Do We Go From Here thread stone dead, as few will now go near it).
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Post by bjorenny on Jan 20, 2024 18:13:21 GMT
I think I go against the grain re: Just Like That in that I prefer the beautiful verse melody, and find the seemingly more popular chorus to be the least interesting part of the song (the breathy repetition in the backing vocals of "Just Like That" being the worst bit of all, as well as the demo-level lyrics ("smug as a cat... temporary home in my flat"). Don't get me wrong, I do like the song and wish for an official release, but the verse melody that became the "When The Waves Roll Out To Sea" demo is gorgeous. I could do without the sax in the final version, too.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 21, 2024 1:02:33 GMT
Just Like That has both a nice verse and a nice chorus, they just don't go very well together. I too would love to see an official release but get why Bjorn and Benny aren't big fans of it.
Another 'against the grain' take incoming- I love You Owe Me One, and even managed to convert a university friend (who's only passingly familiar with ABBA) into loving it too. The layered vocals in the chorus are a work of art, and its combination of upbeat camp with sarcastic lyrics make it enjoyable in ways similar to The King Has Lost His Crown.
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