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Post by eddie on Mar 5, 2024 14:30:20 GMT
Hi, Can anyone help ? Does anyone know the date of release re Carl Magnus Palm's new book " ABBA On Record ". I know it is scheduled in March but I would be very grateful if someone could confirm the exact date. Many thanks.
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Post by bjorenny on Mar 5, 2024 14:38:30 GMT
I think it's shipping from the 15th.
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Post by bjorenny on Mar 5, 2024 14:44:41 GMT
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Post by eddie on Mar 6, 2024 11:06:14 GMT
Thanks very much, Bjorenny. I look forward to receiving my copy.
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Post by bjorenny on Mar 12, 2024 19:38:57 GMT
I've just had a UPS email to say it's arriving on Friday 😉
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Post by gary on Mar 12, 2024 20:47:42 GMT
Me too.
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Post by justabba on Mar 13, 2024 16:41:15 GMT
Just seen this comment online , my book not due until Friday from Carl Magnus Palm
Only a mention of what was the working title of 'Ode to freedom'; 'Hit by a train' and 'possibly other unfinished tracks'. At least what what I've read so far, there's 45(!) pages about the Voyage-project.
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Post by Alan on Mar 15, 2024 10:48:39 GMT
Nothing much revealed then. How to spend five years writing a book, take the money at the start, and then finally issue it but have very little on Voyage to say?
Was “My Story Ends With You” as a song title just a myth then, if he’s only aware of Hit By A Train? Has he even heard that song? Guessing not.
I’m curious… how does anyone get excited by his books?
It’s a difficult one… if he had heard them, and given titles, I’d see that as the ultimate trolling of the fans unless they were released. On the other hand, to only have the one title we all knew anyway, and apparently no info on any others, isn’t enough.
I’d be surprised if there’s much info that we hadn’t worked out for ourselves. To be fair, Björn and Benny largely treat the fans as though they think we’re stupid, so can’t fully blame CMP for doing the same. In fact, that’s what the media in general seems to do these days with everything.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 15, 2024 11:22:39 GMT
That's disappointing, Alan . I can't say I find his books hugely exciting but they usually are informative. This particular book seems to promise a different angle to what's gone before. I'm guessing that most people will skip to the Voyage chapter for something that hasn't been retold umpteen times. In his Recording Sessions book, he sometimes tries to describe something only he will be permitted to hear. It's a fool's errand in many respects, because it relies on the reader being able to reconstruct that description as an imagined sound. Who among us can really do that? I'm curious about what the rest of the book offers. Half a decade on sleeves, promo campaigns and reviews seems a lot. I hope it can bring something interesting (if not exciting). I still dip in to the Recording Sessions book. Returning to the BLDS book takes a lot more effort. I read it, cover-to-cover, but I think it really would have needed the cooperation and participation of the ABBA members to properly flesh out the personal biographies. It's a bit more academic than most personal biographies - a bit drier - and that kind of dials down the capacity for excitement. All that said, he can at least be relied upon to avoid the lurid, tabloidesque factoids and "dramatic licence" that reduced virtually every other attempt at a biography to subpar soap opera scripts.
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Post by Alan on Mar 15, 2024 11:37:01 GMT
In his Recording Sessions book, he sometimes tries to describe something only he will be permitted to hear. It's a fool's errand in many respects, because it relies on the reader being able to reconstruct that description as an imagined sound. Who among us can really do that? I never really understood why they let him do that. To me it was like Jim Bowen on Bullseye [1980s darts-based cheap game show] saying “come and look at what you could have won” and on comes the car or boat that the contestants failed to win. If these songs aren’t going to be released, then why let someone (whose musical knowledge appears to be limited) hear them and try to describe them? That was trolling the fans (and all parties doing that, not just CMP). The fact he has done that before but apparently not with the unreleased Voyage songs does offer a tiny glimmer of hope though… they won’t let him hear them because sooner or later everyone else will. Or maybe not…
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Post by justabba on Mar 15, 2024 12:22:09 GMT
You undderate his musical ability Alan. He told me once he could recall every aspect of a song and reproduce perfectly after one hearing. I was a professional singer some 30 years and a conductor the last 10, but couldn't possibly emulate that (!)
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Post by foreverfan on Mar 15, 2024 13:25:37 GMT
Sorry if being a bit thick here....
Has anyone actually read the book yet or is this still all surmising.....
I does feel strange that if it's from the book why such a huge delay for NO surprise or any big reveal ? If that's the case a bit of a con?
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 15, 2024 14:23:01 GMT
I'm similarly curious foreverfan. I suspect that many people will skip to the Voyage chapter first, in case there's anything genuinely new to be discovered. The rest of the book seems to focus on the promotional aspects of each release, which I'm still interested in. It might be another day or two before the first general reviews are in. They'll help me decide whether to order the e-book.
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Post by justabba on Mar 15, 2024 16:15:11 GMT
Yes I have the book . If you're looking for huge revelations you're going to be disappointed. It strikes me he had very little direct access to the sessions information and relies on anecdotes. The most surprising information is Hit by a train was worked on right through 2019. He asserts 3 or 4 songs were unreleased, but he has no information of titles, style etc. One of those seems to be a very different version of ode to freedom. Again he has no title or detail on this
Elsewhere in the chapter he asserts some of these unreleased songs were disliked by Agnetha and Frida, and also Benny is alleged to say the songs will never be released. I'm very uncertain about the validity of these remarks. But that's just my assumption .
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Post by foreverfan on Mar 15, 2024 16:24:15 GMT
Well that seems all very disappointing ^^ if that is the case... perhaps Bjorn was telling the truth !!🤔
With nothing forthcoming in way of surprises music wise that we know of ....... is it all actually over !!
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Post by johnny on Mar 15, 2024 23:26:34 GMT
If ABBA members aren't happy with unfinished or unreleased tracks we should accept that. It would be very sad if they were released and nobody liked them!
At the same time, as I have said several times, Big Mouth Benny shouldn't have revealed there were unfinished songs and even bragging they were "quite good" if there was never any intention of releasing them. I really think he enjoys winding up fans. He can be a prick at times.
I am no fan of CMP. His writing style makes reading a telephone directory seem exciting and he had sod all in revelations.
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Post by Alan on Mar 16, 2024 1:33:43 GMT
I am no fan of CMP. His writing style makes reading a telephone directory seem exciting and he had sod all in revelations. I couldn’t have put it better myself. Sadly there seem to be some fans that hang off his every word. He has very little/zero credible competition though, so he has the market stitched up. And having the AT lot onside is a bonus. He knows what he’s doing.
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Post by gassi on Mar 16, 2024 8:30:12 GMT
I read the Voyage section of CMPs book and find it very exciting that there maybe a lot more tracks considered for the album. At least they exist in an early stage. And 'Hit By A Train' is really not a rumour anymore!
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Post by Alan on Mar 16, 2024 10:06:41 GMT
I read the Voyage section of CMPs book and find it very exciting that there maybe a lot more tracks considered for the album. At least they exist in an early stage. And 'Hit By A Train' is really not a rumour anymore! It’s only exciting if they’re going to be released. It would seem that they aren’t. Hit By A Train wasn’t a rumour - Little Boots mentioned it several years ago so there’s no revelation there. I gather that anything in the book about that song is from what Little Boots said. It seems the Voyage chapter was a mere afterthought, and not the primary focus of the book. 45 pages isn’t that much. He isn’t talking or writing in any official capacity (that’s proven by the fact he can’t use the ABBA logo), but my expectations for this year have rather fallen flat now.
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Post by welshboy on Mar 17, 2024 10:29:55 GMT
Well I enjoyed CMP last book and I am looking forward to this new one too. I think my book is coming sometime tomorrow. I am looking forward to hear about the MT tapes. If there is no more music then I am happy with what we have . What a gift Voyage album and the shows have been. Abba has been such a big part of my life for such a long time it is sad if this is the end as I as a fan would want them to go on. But I want to thank Abba the their gift to us the music.
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Post by justabba on Mar 17, 2024 15:45:42 GMT
I read the Voyage section of CMPs book and find it very exciting that there maybe a lot more tracks considered for the album. At least they exist in an early stage. And 'Hit By A Train' is really not a rumour anymore! It’s only exciting if they’re going to be released. It would seem that they aren’t. Hit By A Train wasn’t a rumour - Little Boots mentioned it several years ago so there’s no revelation there. I gather that anything in the book about that song is from what Little Boots said. It seems the Voyage chapter was a mere afterthought, and not the primary focus of the book. 45 pages isn’t that much. He isn’t talking or writing in any official capacity (that’s proven by the fact he can’t use the ABBA logo), but my expectations for this year have rather fallen flat now. Since then I asked Carl to produce context regarding the interview he mentioned. It turns out it was in the Guardian in October, a good 3 weeks BEFORE Benny's much more positive spin on the 2 tracks on German TV. So all may not be lost. We will see.
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Post by Tiger76 on Mar 18, 2024 18:36:23 GMT
I received my copy on Friday, and I must say it’s an excellent read and immaculately produced. The chapter on the Michael B Tretow Tapes is almost worth the price on its own. I can (partly) understand people being a bit underwhelmed at the lack of ‘exclusives’ on any new/unreleased material from the Voyage sessions, but if there are such hidden gems in the locker, Abba will want to announce that themselves, so his hands may have been tied – particularly when his book came out before the 50th anniversary of the ESC. If there are no hidden gems to get an official release, it’s hardly his fault either.
What matters is that he has good access to material that others cannot get their hands on, and can bring something new to the table that other publications cannot. He did start working on the book years ago, long before anyone knew there would be a new Abba album, and his blogs regularly informed the reader that the book was being delayed as a result. The book was never meant to be about Voyage, and I am pleased he did delay publication to include it. It's been worth the wait.
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 13:41:42 GMT
I received my copy yesterday and read the Voyage section last night. As already discussed, there wasn't much more revealed except 'Hit By A Train' was worked on throughout 2019/2020 and there are many early versions of 'Ode to Freedom'.
I finished the Tretow tapes section this morning and this was the chapter I was most anticipating. Although it's a nice read, I must say I found it a little underwhelming and my expectations were probably way too high. I think I was expecting to read about lots of alternate versions of familiar songs with different lyrics and vocal leads. The problem is that the Tretow tapes are soo scattered and random that you only get a few minutes from recording a backing track or vocals and they are not really complete. After the first read, the parts that stand out are:
Recording the vocals for 'That's Me' - the tapes include an hour of the sessions starting with a heated argument between the girls and the control room about the sound mix in their earphones
Complete early versions of 'Big John', 'Joanne', and 'Love For Me Is Love Forever', which would become 'Move On'. There's also a full demo titled: 'Golden Dreams and Golden Lies'.
Early version of 'One Man, One Woman' with vocals split between Agnetha and Frida with different lyrics
Early version of 'Hole In Your Soul' with lyrics titled 'High On Your Love' - features vocal lines from Agnetha, Frida and Bjorn;
Early version of 'Andante, Andante' with full completely different lyrics about a man leaving his wife for another woman - (Benny would leave Frida for another woman later that year)
Full recording of 'I Am That Woman' - a demo from 1981 with Agnetha on lead vocals and the chorus later used in 'I Am The Seeker'
The version of 'Another Morning Without You' included in the demos medley is actually the start of a full complete band recording
There wasn't much on the tapes from pre-1977 and disappointed there aren't recordings such as Gypsy Girl (Money, Money, Money) or Rio de Janeiro (When I Kissed The Teacher). There was more info from 1981 than I was expecting however. Obviously these chapters are only appendices to the main book so I think I'm being too harsh.
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Post by jj on Mar 20, 2024 15:20:06 GMT
Thanks, Matt. These new facts are the only things I'm interested about knowing regarding this book, so thank you for sharing.
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Post by lamont on Mar 20, 2024 15:47:04 GMT
I’ve had quick read, read Super Trouper and The Visitors/82 chapters. There is a lot there, it’s interesting to read how the UK record company were desperately trying to keep Abba relevant and urging them to make more up to date music videos and being unhappy with certain song choices. I’m looking forward to delving in more.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 20, 2024 16:06:13 GMT
Thanks for that matt. It shoots down the tried old nonsense about nothing being left in the vaults. Nice try, Bjorn! That's the sort of stuff that makes this book attractive, lamont. I think I'm edging towards ordering a copy.... Possibly.
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Post by Alan on Mar 20, 2024 16:54:11 GMT
Do these demos actually exist now, and has he heard them? This is where I have problems with it. If they exist and he’s heard them but no one else will, I’m not that sure I want to know about it! Ignorance is bliss and all that… I’m probably in the minority there, and clearly enough people do find it interesting (and thanks matt for posting the info), but I just have real problems with it. You’ve got Björn fibbing his way through an interview and not long after CMP issuing his book and, if he has heard it, being the envy of the fans.
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Post by matt on Mar 20, 2024 17:20:22 GMT
Yes the demos/early versions exist and CMP was granted access to listen to the tapes. He was also given permission to listen to every surviving mix tape for the revised TCRS a few years ago.
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Post by Alan on Mar 20, 2024 17:30:17 GMT
Thanks matt. Definitely not for me, I think I’d only be interested in it if we were to get to hear it. It’s like Benny mentioning the two unreleased Voyage tracks - either let us hear them or keep your mouth shut! I’m assuming he only got to hear them the once, or for a limited time period, and wasn’t allowed a device on him which could have recorded anything. Even so, I do find it quite torturous to read about it!
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Post by foreverfan on Mar 20, 2024 17:30:28 GMT
Ignorance is bliss if we are never to hear them.. The frustration of knowing they exist is not fair if someone has been aloud to listen and life long fans not......
That's life I suppose....
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