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Post by Michal on May 28, 2024 6:53:09 GMT
Yes, the matter of JLT was brought up twice. The first time it was an outright plead "Please, finish the song for us", which got no reaction if I can remember. The second time was when they were asked what their favourite B-sides were. To which Bjöfn replied that he didn't remember what the B-sides were anymore. So they twisted the question to underrated album tracks. Then the guy, who asked the question named his favourites and he said "Just Like That even though you don't like it", to which Benny replied "I haven't said that" (well, don't we have a video proving he did?) and continued with the story of the chorus and the verse being too different in style but concluding that the song "is actually not bad".
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Post by Michal on May 28, 2024 7:00:57 GMT
Some of the questions were quite trivial. The ones I can remember:
"Which of the songs you haven't written would you wish to be credited for" (Benny changing it the songs they wish they had written) - Benny: "Silent Night" Björn named two and I can remember Eine Kleine Nachtmusik
Then they were asked about their greatest achievements personally and profesionally. Björn: personal - having children Benny: proffesional - having been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
Do they have any unfulfilled ambitions? Björn: "To climb Mt. Everest" Benny's reply was something in the vein that he still works every day and hopes some more good songs will come of it.
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Post by Michal on May 28, 2024 7:02:23 GMT
Were Frida and Agneta at the 2nd anniversary tonight also . They were not.
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Post by richard on May 28, 2024 7:44:54 GMT
Of course, DSMD uses the same device as ST (the song): the chorus melody slowed down to serve as the preamble or intro to the song. More generally, it seems to me Benny just doesn't like the contrast between verse and chorus if JLT (whereas I, as a listener, now love it) and 'musical theatre' vs 'pop' is a rather shorthand explanation of his dissatisfaction with the song
Again, as a listener, my dissatisfaction is that I think the verses could have been done so much better because I think the melody itself is great and sets up the superb chorus wonderfully. But that draggy, uninspired guitar riff for a start... Just my opinion.
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Post by Alan on May 28, 2024 8:10:30 GMT
Many thanks, Michal, for your reports on the Q&A. Did you see anyone there with a “Justice for Just Like That” T-shirt on by any chance? Apparently Ludvig was in the foyer at one point and saw the guy with the T-Shirt, and remarked to him, “I’m working on it.” He could mean he’s working on Benny to change his mind, or that he is actually working on the recording. Who knows?!
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Post by northernlights on May 28, 2024 13:02:45 GMT
Hi, I’m new to the forum but I’ve been thinking about creating an account for some time.
I was there last night. I found it incredibly frustrating that the focus was on the famous people and their questions - what was the point in getting fans to submit?
On JLT, Benny did seem a bit …smirky to me when discussing that. Take that with a pinch of salt but I do wonder. However he did then say his usual speech about the verses and choruses not matching.
Overall I’d say the Q&A was a disappointment especially with the subservient attitudes toward the random group of celebs rather than the ABBA fans themselves
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 29, 2024 2:15:30 GMT
I love how ABBA fans will never give up their mission to get 'Just Like That' released it will happen eventually I have faith in that no one thought Just A Notion would ever get released in full and surprise surprise it got released.
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Post by Tinneke on May 29, 2024 5:40:53 GMT
Are we any wiser because of this Q and A? Future releases? Hit me by a train?
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Post by Visitor1982 on May 29, 2024 6:13:31 GMT
As long as Benny and/or Ludvig do not touch the 1982 final mix of Just Like That, I'm fine. I do not want a BAOish re-recording of the song (like with Just A Notion) or a new mix. The 1982 mix or bust!
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Post by johnny on May 29, 2024 6:24:55 GMT
Are we any wiser because of this Q and A? Future releases? Hit me by a train? Perhaps a fan did ask but the question wasn't selected. Instead they had crap questions from celebs.
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Post by Michal on May 29, 2024 6:59:56 GMT
Did you see anyone there with a “Justice for Just Like That” T-shirt on by any chance? Apparently Ludvig was in the foyer at one point and saw the guy with the T-Shirt, and remarked to him, “I’m working on it.” I didn't see anyone with that T-shirt. But Ludvig's remark sounds promising.
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Post by Michal on May 29, 2024 7:06:21 GMT
Are we any wiser because of this Q and A? Future releases? Hit me by a train? Perhaps a fan did ask but the question wasn't selected. Instead they had crap questions from celebs. They probably wanted to avoid these kind of questions completely, otherwise it would have been all about the unreleased stuff and B&B have expressed what they think about the matter so many times before. If they changed their minds, it was not the right place to announce it. The same goes for any future releases. However, the way it was presented, it was a bit boring at places (even the notorious story of Take A Chance On Me lyrics was brought up, fortunately Björn turned it into a joke, replying "The legend has it", explaining he doesn't remember it anymore but it must be true).
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Post by Michal on May 29, 2024 7:10:13 GMT
As long as Benny and/or Ludvig do not touch the 1982 final mix of Just Like That, I'm fine. I do not want a BAOish re-recording of the song (like with Just A Notion) or a new mix. The 1982 mix or bust! Really? I think the vocals are perfect but the backing track would benefit from a few tweaks. I will be happy with any version, as long as they keep the vocals. (What about an a-capella mix? 🙂)
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Post by Visitor1982 on May 29, 2024 7:16:25 GMT
As long as Benny and/or Ludvig do not touch the 1982 final mix of Just Like That, I'm fine. I do not want a BAOish re-recording of the song (like with Just A Notion) or a new mix. The 1982 mix or bust! Really? I think the vocals are perfect but the backing track would benefit from a few tweaks. I will be happy with any version, as long as they keep the vocals. (What about an a-capella mix? 🙂) No, I love the 80's production style. No tweaks, no remixing, no adding instruments or removing them... Keep it as it is, including the bum note from the sax.
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Post by Michal on May 29, 2024 7:19:29 GMT
Ok, each to their own. I'll take anything. You can always use earplugs 😀
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 30, 2024 8:52:34 GMT
I love the Saxophone Version of 'Just Like That' which is the final finished version of the song and that's the one I hope that gets released its been 30 years since we got a snippet of the song which was the 2nd and 3rd choruses at the end of the song, 'Just Like That' is a fantastic song and the verses do make sense as they explain what the woman's life and feelings are about especially in the 2nd verse 'now the tears have dried its become a pleasant break' meaning she has spent time crying over a man.
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Post by Terry Haygarth on May 30, 2024 19:20:29 GMT
Please can you not dismiss your 2 ex wives please in your Q and A Voyage. They were the Face of Abba and a major ingredient to your brilliant music. With their superb voices. All 4 of you were super brilliant . Whatever your past differences please come together tomorrow for your well deserved appointment. I have followed you since I was 10 I'm now 58 I know you absolutely completely . I love all 4 of you . Please don't spoil that secret amazing thing you 4 achieved Sorry B and B needed to get this off my chest to you both. Agnetha and Frida made you the most successful pop group in the World.
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Post by Alan on May 30, 2024 19:48:25 GMT
Regarding the above post from Terry. This is supported by a friend of mine who was there for the Q&A and told me earlier in the week:
“They were quite dismissive of A&F again. Just briefly at the end. They must realise how much the fans love A&F and are interested in them but were asked “where are they tonight?” to which Benny said, “why would we know where they are?” And Bjorn said, “we don’t really see each other much” which all rather dispels that “fantastic bond” myth that they were peddling when the Voyage album came out. Benny did say that they will be together on Friday in Sweden for that award thing. It would have been nice if they’d bothered to find out what A&F were up to as they must realise any little bit of news about them would set the fans’ hearts racing. Or had a little message from them for the fans. There was just no effort really.”
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Post by Tinneke on May 30, 2024 20:07:34 GMT
No effort...that's true I guess. They were there for a Q and A not for the fans but to promote Voyage. That's what's left of it.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 30, 2024 22:02:28 GMT
Regarding the above post from Terry. This is supported by a friend of mine who was there for the Q&A and told me earlier in the week: “They were quite dismissive of A&F again. Just briefly at the end. They must realise how much the fans love A&F and are interested in them but were asked “where are they tonight?” to which Benny said, “why would we know where they are?” And Bjorn said, “we don’t really see each other much” which all rather dispels that “fantastic bond” myth that they were peddling when the Voyage album came out. Benny did say that they will be together on Friday in Sweden for that award thing. It would have been nice if they’d bothered to find out what A&F were up to as they must realise any little bit of news about them would set the fans’ hearts racing. Or had a little message from them for the fans. There was just no effort really.” What does it take to dispel the notion of Benny as the avuncular, twinkly-eyed cuddlebunny that Polar PR has always peddled? That was disrespectful - not just to his super-talented colleagues, but to the fans who keep him in a very comfortable lifestyle. Bjorn's response was a little better. But just a little. It can't have been a surprise to anyone involved with this event that fans would ask about Frida and Agnetha. At the very least, they should have prepared a simple "the ladies can't be here, but they send their love." Would that have been so hard? Unless, of course, our heroines have zero effs to give either. Unlikely, I'd have thought. But an awkward question remains: have ABBA just become a bit more disconnected from their fans?
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Post by truedogz on May 31, 2024 7:31:38 GMT
As to B&B being dismissive of A&A I think to some extent this is a bit of a cultural thing. I know a few Swedes who have divorced that I know care about their ex partners. There seems to be a thing for want of a better word of appearing detached from the ex when you actually do remain in contact or have any connection. I could be wrong in this case but I think it reflects an outlook of some older Swedes. A bit equivalent to the American 'macho'. The message was that they live their own lives so they couldn't answer those questions. Nothing malicious in it. Over the years B&B have given a huge amount of praise to the girls and on occaisions attributing the majority of the band's success to them.
I'd add that Bjorn is pretty fluent in English, Benny less so particularly its nuances. Benny has been misinterpreted a few times eg. when he said that TYFTM was a good song, bad recording - by comparison to others. Bad was a poor term to use BUT remember English is his second language.
I've heard from others what took place at the Q&A. I believe there was nothing malicious in it regarding A&A and that it has been misinterpreted.
I think though that their comments truly relect that, as they have said previously, "ABBA is no more". They are now in retirement and will be publicly together for the last time when they receive their medals.
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Post by johnny on May 31, 2024 9:14:25 GMT
Truedodz, Benny's English is perfect. It's his manners and social skills that need working on.
Agree totally with Hometime's comment
"At the very least, they should have prepared a simple "the ladies can't be here, but they send their love." Would that have been so hard?"
Clearly they were going to be asked about Frida and Agnetha.
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Post by Alan on May 31, 2024 9:19:14 GMT
truedogz, I think you’re being too kind to Benny. I don’t believe it’s anything to do with his English. Nor are ABBA two normal divorced couples, Swedish or otherwise. They were part of one of the biggest music acts ever. Why does Benny agree to do these things when it’s so obvious he doesn’t really want to be there?
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Post by truedogz on May 31, 2024 10:15:51 GMT
Why does Benny agree to do these things when it’s so obvious he doesn’t really want to be there? No one can know another person's mind but I can speculate: he felt obliged to be there. Why? To support Bjorn and probably genuinely for the fans. The Q&A might have been a bad idea and it might have not been theirs. All of us have agreed at times to be some place to please others when we did not wish to be there. Rather than a negative the fact that you do so because you care is a positive. People have complained that they have not done enough for the 'anniversary'. And when they have there have been complaints. I suspect there might have been pressure to do some other things for the anniversary which might have been entertained for a time - the sort of things that we speculated about or were hinted by connections. From all I have read I have concluded that they collectively decided to draw a line in the sand with ABBA to bring closure, with B&B tidying up a some things. Increasingly they are delegating the business aspects of ABBA. They gave us something we never expected and that was a new album. And ongoing concerts. And over the past couple of years have re-engaged with the media, even Agnetha. And they have said that as a group it is over. Having done all of the above it is clear that 3 of them at least want to retreat to their post ABBA lives. They owe us nothing. I put Benny's rebuff down to what I said earlier (if he had said it in Swedish there may have been better nuance in the delivery) and the tiresome (sometimes trivial) questions they continually get which must be annoying. Manners and social skills are cilturally based and so differ between cultures. B&B are Swedes and having dealt with plenty of Swedes I understand how we can mis-interpret things and vice a versa. He genuinely didn't know what the girls were doing because having been reformed briefly for the Voyage album and concert project they have returned to their former lives. Communication is limited social contact or as business interests dictate. He wasn't prepared to lie and say that the girls had sent their love when it is likely that he has not had a conversation with them about his appearance at the Q&A. I always try to 'walk a mile in someone elses shoes'. That is my opinion and if others disgree that is fine.
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Post by richard on May 31, 2024 10:29:22 GMT
Since ABBA came to an end in '82, BAO - and maybe one or two other non-ABBA musical activities - have obviously been Benny's primary interest when it comes to music; and ABBA and Voyage are just a tolerated, hoped-for, money-making opportunity, mostly. That's what I feel, anyway. Were the two new songs at the time (ISHFIY and DSMD) likely written under some sort of ' obligation' as a little bonus for the ABBA Gold Voyage show, and the album morphed from that? But the 'ABBA is no more again' messaging happened very soon.
Seen in this light, it seems obvious to me now (and I admit it took me a long time to realise!) that there would be no interest from Benny in their doing something special for their 50th anniversary; and I'd definitely be gobsmacked if anything was done now.
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Post by Tinneke on May 31, 2024 10:36:45 GMT
Abba is very much alive and present trough the voyage show. And suddenly they decide Abba is no more. That's not how it works.
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Post by Michel on May 31, 2024 11:10:57 GMT
I guess they marked the difference between ABBA the brand (which is still very much alive) and ABBA the actual group of four members (which is not). It's clear that Agnetha and Frida have no interest whatsoever in promoting ABBA in any way.
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Post by Gina on May 31, 2024 12:47:19 GMT
I think if they want to draw a line in the sand they could just release any decent unheard songs and JLT and then that will be it. Most big rock groups have released an anthology with literally everything that was recorded.
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Post by baab on May 31, 2024 13:29:18 GMT
It's clear that Agnetha and Frida have no interest whatsoever in promoting ABBA in any way. And wasn't that the deal anyway, that A+F would "sing-in" the Voyage album but have no further obligations in promoting it or ABBA or the Voyage show? Benny's answer to what the Ladies were doing on that Anniversary Night might not have been very smart but it was honest. It just confirmed that A+F do not have any obligations with Voyage, apart from the possibility to sometimes "bathe"in the Fans admiration after the show, like Frida took this opportunity twice already.
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Post by Alan on May 31, 2024 14:46:22 GMT
Sorry, but I just don’t buy this defence of Benny. The same old “they don’t owe us anything” line can be used to excuse anything. But likewise, we owe them nothing either. He could have just said, “we don’t know where they are today but we will be seeing them on Friday”. And talking of which… This might be the last time we ever see all four members of ABBA together in public (though to be fair, up until January 2016, we hadn’t seen them together at all for 30 years - the Mamma Mia! premiere in 2008 doesn’t count as only A&F were stood together).
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