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Post by eddie on Sept 14, 2024 12:25:27 GMT
Tony, I too think your alternative compilation to " The First Fifty Years " is very well thought of. Awesome ! Also I agree " Gold " should not be pulled as it is ABBA's most successful compilation and as Tony has already said " iconic ". The record ignited the whole ABBA renaissance. Say no more !
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Post by bjorenny on Sept 16, 2024 9:52:11 GMT
Thinking about it, if all the tracks from Gold are having the Dolby Atmos treatment for release at a later date, then I'm guessing this new compilation won't usurp Gold's standing as the 'greatest hits of choice', otherwise they would have given all the tracks on The Singles - The First Fifty Years the Atmos treatment and released it with the accompanying fanfare regarding it being the only compilation album you can hear in full Dolby Atmos - which would at least have offered something new in a way to us hardcore fans.
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Post by richard on Sept 16, 2024 12:56:45 GMT
Of course, we'll have to wait to hear if Dolby Atmos will provide a significant/exciting improvement to the sound of Gold. Maybe I've read too much into it, but if vocals can be repositioned in the 3-D space with Atmos, then that - if done well, according to me - would perhaps make buying Gold again a welcome compensation for the lack of anything worthwhile in celebration of the 50th anniversary. So I'm really intrigued with what Atmos Gold might offer.
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Post by baab on Sept 16, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
Benny maybe has invested some few million Dollars for the Atmos treat,but what does it take for us listeners to really hear the difference? A Dolby Surround Speaker Combination? A soundbar?
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Post by richard on Sept 16, 2024 20:08:32 GMT
I wonder about that, too, baab . I've read that listeners can hear the difference that Atmos provides through headphones only. But I bet a surround sound speakers set up, as you suggest, will reveal the best of Atmos.
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Post by johnny on Oct 1, 2024 11:43:59 GMT
Amazon Update
CD + VINYL best sellers #384
I think it's fair to say this won't do well.
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Post by justabba on Oct 1, 2024 13:24:46 GMT
I think its fair to say its their worst release probably ever and deserves to do as badly as it most surely will. Inexplicably both HMV and Amazon have RAISED the cd price to £24.99!! Its £16.99 on the official universal store page.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 1, 2024 14:12:43 GMT
Scandalous that they're raising the price.
I wonder if the antipathy is being felt yet at ABBA Central? Are team members watching the fans' reaction, or will they just wait for the shock of the sales reports? It's a shame that they've run out of road in terms of having time to correct the course, to pull something decent out of the hat and rescue the 50th anniversary.
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Post by Alan on Oct 1, 2024 15:32:52 GMT
Well, if so few units are being sold, they’ll have had to raise the price so that they can still make a profit on the ones that do shift?
I saw someone in a FB group that said they were getting it, and it was someone I wouldn’t have expected to.
It was never going to do well as The Essential Collection didn’t, did it? This has five Voyage tracks added but anyone who wanted those would have bought the Voyage album (and still can).
That must be how it works these days. Rip-off the diehards and it’s still commercially viable for them.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 1, 2024 15:38:40 GMT
This might as well go here as anywhere....
Just in case ... Bobbys Brother is back on YouTube with all his latest updates, sometimes he comes up with a gem that " we " don't know of , but most of the time it's old news, usually does a months worth of news at a time...BTW, Bobby isn't interested in "50" at all, says something for a diehard....
There is a contradiction, which is interesting and of course what you choose to believe or interpret.. The section on Bjorn, ( yes we know he can tell some tall stories, but sometimes like us all , did he slip up here? ) . He had two interviews, on the first he said it's not the end, stupid interviewer didnt pick up on it, second interview... all over.....
So again what to believe.... I thought I'd share it with you, and no doubt make up our own minds.... Personally another 3 months to see if any strong rumours otherwise a big thank you and goodbye.....
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Post by johnny on Oct 1, 2024 15:48:04 GMT
£17 on ABBA Voyage shop but £24.99 on HMV.
CDs cost very little to make and distribute there's no excuse for a double album to be over £20.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 1, 2024 16:05:48 GMT
It was never going to do well as The Essential Collection didn’t, did it? This has five Voyage tracks added but anyone who wanted those would have bought the Voyage album (and still can). That must be how it works these days. Rip-off the diehards and it’s still commercially viable for them. Sounds like it. I think for casual listeners, the ship has sailed and Gold + Voyage is what to get. It's two tested and established brands and with Gold being midprice and Voyage selling for literally 3-4 bucks these days, it's a much cheaper option and you end up with two well-designed products instead of a dubious mishmash with bad design at collector's price.
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Post by johnny on Oct 1, 2024 16:47:48 GMT
I remember that The Albums bos set selling for £15, such a bargain. People could listen to (almost) all of ABBA's songs and decide fir themselves which they prefer.
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Post by justabba on Oct 1, 2024 17:48:56 GMT
Its almost like someone a year ago had told the worst joke about how bad the 50th Anniversary year would be. The horrendous truth is that the reality has been somewhat worse. Literally a 10 inch vinyl of Waterloo has been the sum total, with this awul compilation with (I think) the worst cover they could have "designed". Ive seen at least 5 fan made covers that are vastly superior. I actually dont know what Universal were thinking.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 1, 2024 19:06:09 GMT
Agreed, justabba. To expand it into the digital only sphere, the Waterloo 10" was supplemented by a digital EP of the English/Swedish/German/French versions of Waterloo (ok, done in five minutes) and the Atmos Mix of Waterloo which is probably the only substential new thing. Then again, these Atmos Mixes are kind of non-releases since they aren't widely available and would take special equipment to listen to as intended. For a larger audience, it takes someone to record the channels seperately and share them to benefit from it, as this YouTube channel did (big shout out to "The Acetaters"!). This way, it's a nice goodie, but then again, it's not even something that comes directly from Universal or the official ABBA channel, and as the outcome of the 50th anniversary, it's tremendously unverwhelming, especially with all the hints by Björn and others surrounding it, but also compared to the 40th anniversary.
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Post by Alan on Oct 1, 2024 19:06:15 GMT
He had two interviews, on the first he said it's not the end, stupid interviewer didnt pick up on it, second interview... all over..... I’m fairly certain “it’s not the end” refers to the Voyage show. There are possibilities with that - other songs added, other venues etc. It’s immortalised ABBA, so in a sense, they will go on and on and it’s definitely not the end. “All over” refers to any further audio releases.
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Post by Alan on Oct 1, 2024 19:11:36 GMT
I remember that The Albums bos set selling for £15, such a bargain. People could listen to (almost) all of ABBA's songs and decide for themselves which they prefer. The Albums box is currently £35 on Amazon. The more recent CD albums box (which includes Voyage but has fewer tracks on the bonus disc) is £44. You’d think that either version would be more enticing than a £25 double CD.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 1, 2024 19:16:54 GMT
Right Alan, especially the £25 double CD won't even supply you with TYFTM. This is a dealbreaker for the entrée buyer. It gives a round picture with the lousy design ( justabba, when I first saw it, I thought it in fact *was* fanmade, and that badly).
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Post by justabba on Oct 1, 2024 21:11:14 GMT
Right Alan , especially the £25 double CD won't even supply you with TYFTM. This is a dealbreaker for the entrée buyer. It gives a round picture with the lousy design ( justabba , when I first saw it, I thought it in fact *was* fanmade, and that badly). Me too! I thought it was fake news!
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Oct 2, 2024 10:53:51 GMT
It is hard to say how 'The First 50 Years' will fare in the International Charts.
It may do well, in some Countries, but very little - if anything - in others.
I recall 'The Essential Collection' doing very badly, in 2012. I knew a Guy, called Dan, at The Official UK Charts, at the time. Halfway through its Release Week, I asked him where it was, in the Mid Week Top 200. I was shocked, when he told me, that it was at No.155! 2 Days later, by Friday's full Week Chart, it had already fallen off The Top 200. So,it never reached the UK Top 200! A huge 'Flop' for ABBA.
It has only sold about 8,000 to 10,000 UK copies, to this Day. Mainly because it was too much like 'The Definitive Collection', from 2001. That ABBA Compilation reached No.17, in the UK, and it had sold over 230,000 there, by 2015. It 'only' reached No.14, in Germany, but it sold many copies there, and it stayed in their Top 100, for a massive 116 Weeks...
The truth is that, it is very hard for Universal, to Sell, ABBA Compilations, when they, (mostly), contain the 'SOS', (Same Old Songs). We already have the Tracks, over and over again. A huge shame, when ABBA have 'Alternative Versions', of many Singles, and Albums Tracks. But, some Fans, excuse it all with: 'ABBA owe us nothing'. Which is no excuse - at all - for Benny and Bjorn OK-ing endless 'Hits' Compilations, over the long, long, Years. I don't blame Agnetha and Frida, as they seem to have Zero say, as to what comes out in ABBA's Name...
We will see how well, (or poorly), 'The Singles - The First 50 Years' - does, around the Globe...
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Post by johnny on Oct 2, 2024 11:22:11 GMT
Colin, can you clarify charting rules.
My understanding is artists can nominate one Hits album for charting purposes. If they don't the biggest seller of compilations, will pick up Streaming "sales"
In that scenario, "50" could chart in week 1, probably selling 1 000 ish to Gold's very low hundreds but by week 2, Gold would be selling more.
Is this right?
The Essential Collection was very similar to The Definitive Collection but did contain album tracks (which had videos) ie Bang a Boomerang and One Man, One Woman - and Side 2 starting neatly with all of 1979 singles
The first 50 years has way too many Voyage tracks (and Ring Ring, which the others had too)
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Oct 2, 2024 12:02:51 GMT
Johnny -- I tend not to 'follow' UK Chart Rules, these Days. However, it is my understanding, that a Record Company can 'Nominate' 1 'Hits', Album, to get a Chart Act's Streams. At present, it is 'ABBA Gold', that Universal have 'Nominated'. It has been 'ABBA Gold', for many Years. But, they can alter it to 'The Singles - The First Fifty Years', when that Album comes out. It may, or may not, help it to 'Sell' better. Even if Universal do 'Nominate' it, it will only be temporary. It will soon revert back to being 'ABBA Gold', that they 'Nominate', to represent ABBA.
By my calculations, 'ABBA Gold', earned a 22nd UK Platinum Disk, several Months ago. It is now on about 6,634,000 UK Sales. Which is 34,000 over, the 6.600.000 that it needed, for a 22nd Platinum Award. The B.P.I. are late in giving it its 22nd UK Platinum Award...
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Post by baab on Oct 2, 2024 13:22:08 GMT
Interesting how different Charts are compiled throughout Europe.
Opposite to the UK Charts the German Charts do not have any regulation to add streaming of songs to a Greatest Hits compilation. Therefore Chart Performance of ABBA Gold relies on physical Sales. Furthermore the German Charts are also based on sales volume. Because of the expensive vinyl Set, the new Compilation might reach a high Charts position, although not for too Long...
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Post by johnny on Oct 2, 2024 15:06:24 GMT
^ I think you mean German charts are based on Value. An expensive vinyl album may have low volume sales. I am not aware of other countries having this system for Music charts. But it's the system for Movie Charts - Box Office.
I don't think streaming should count for Greatest Hits albums - and only Studio Albums if you listen to it all.
In the UK, a streamed song can be counted 3 times, song, studio album, Hits album. Same in America. It doesn't seem right.
Gold, not appearing on many European charts rg Scandinavian countries, Netherlands, Belgioum is probably explained by those charts not adding streaming stats for Hits albums
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Post by justabba on Oct 2, 2024 16:35:49 GMT
I personally think the German system is the most fair these days.
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Post by Alan on Oct 2, 2024 18:00:44 GMT
Am I reading that right, that the higher the price is, the more “units” it counts as for chart purposes? If that’s the case, whilst it might be more fair on the one hand, surely it encourages price increases on the other?
Still better than the UK system though.
I still think that chart positions and sales no longer matter to the music industry though. If they can make a profit by selling these items at premium prices then they’re laughing. And I’m afraid that means that, in this case, they’re laughing at the hardcore ABBA fans that have to have everything.
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Post by baab on Oct 3, 2024 18:07:25 GMT
Am I reading that right, that the higher the price is, the more “units” it counts as for chart purposes? I think it is the overall value which is grossed over 1 week over all formats which is calculated.
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Post by Alan on Oct 19, 2024 7:24:51 GMT
Thinking about this again, it’s really being released so as to effectively re-release The Singles 10 on vinyl isn’t it? A compilation of singles in chronological order hasn’t actually been done on vinyl since The Singles 10.
They’ve even, in most cases, tried to match up the original sides. Side 1 of Ten ends with Fernando, as does Side 2 of 50, having expanded it to two sides.
It falls down slightly with Sides 2 and 3 of Ten as there aren’t enough additional singles to expand them to four sides, so they get one and a half each. Side 3 of Fifty still begins with Dancing Queen, and Side 5 still ends with I Have A Dream.
Side 4 of Ten then reverts back to being expanded to two sides, from Side 6 The Winner Takes It All to Side 7 Under Attack.
The side that was saved by Dancing Queen to I Have A Dream only being expanded to three sides not four is then free to devote to Voyage, Side 8.
Makes more sense this way - it’s a vinyl release that’s merely being issued on CD as an afterthought (or, rather, to placate CD buyers that would still be interested in this). Whether there’s actually much of a market for it is another matter.
Perhaps they could also have released it as a two-disc (vinyl) version as well, though I’m not sure which two tracks of Ten I’d remove to accommodate I Still Have Faith In You and Don’t Shut Me Down. Removing, say, So Long and Ring Ring would completely mess up The Singles 10 sides. And in any case, The Singles 10 sides are considered too long for modern issues on this format.
I’d still prefer it if they’d done it properly, retaining the original Ten artwork and photo, perhaps adding a more recent, Voyage photo of ABBA to the back cover.
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Post by justabba on Oct 19, 2024 13:38:41 GMT
Well the cd is sitting at no. 1705 and the vinyl at no. 9978 on Amazon, so dont expect a high chart position!
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 19, 2024 15:25:47 GMT
Makes more sense this way - it’s a vinyl release that’s merely being issued on CD as an afterthought (or, rather, to placate CD buyers that would still be interested in this). Whether there’s actually much of a market for it is another matter.
That's the question. It rather seems like a Definitive Collection update also put on vinyl to me since it fits nicely on the 2 CDs and makes up for a good format there, where as 4 LP set is not well proportioned. Makes you wonder who would work out a release like this. 3 LP/2 CD as with the Wembley album would have been fine still, I just find this 4 LP flip-through so bulky, it's neither fish nor meat.
Then, I also find the Voyage tracks don't really flow into the 1972-82 tracks particularly on the vinyl version. It's 1972-82 for sides 1-7, and side 8 for Voyage, and that's literally half the album! I can't see the point why one wouldn't listen to the album in the first place. Just as with Gold/DC/EC + Voyage for CD, I think one also does better with a vintage The Singles 10 + Voyage on vinyl.
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