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Post by ed on Oct 7, 2024 18:02:14 GMT
I have often asked myself why " Happy New Year " was omitted from More ABBA Gold. The song was released as a single in The Netherlands and achieved success in the Dutch charts. Such a pity as it is a beautiful song and more worthier of inclusion than " I Wonder " which should not have been added.
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Post by Alan on Oct 7, 2024 21:14:28 GMT
Happy New Year hadn’t been a single in the Netherlands at the time of More ABBA Gold’s release. It was only a hit around the millennium. It was originally only a single (in its English version) in Portugal. It’s therefore not a surprise it wasn’t on More Gold. It wasn’t on the 4-CD Thank You For The Music set in 1994 either (even though six other tracks from Super Trouper were), nor on The Definitive Collection in 2001. Indeed, it isn’t even on the new The Singles 50.
I Wonder was once a staple of ABBA compilations. It appeared as the only non-single on Greatest Hits Vol 2 in 1979, so its inclusion on More Gold was perhaps to be expected. It’s only since 1993 that the song has fallen out of favour.
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Post by Michal on Oct 8, 2024 10:06:53 GMT
I Wonder was a B-side to a highly successful single and that's why it was included. Originally it was meant to be the live version (which was previously unreleased on CD at the time, making its potential inclusion even more interesting), but Michael Tretow asked Universal to choose the album version instead, as he's always been ashamed of the live recording (the fact I will never understand). The song has always been Benny's favourite too (he's even recorded it for his Piano album).
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 8, 2024 10:55:10 GMT
Happy New Year is really one of the songs you'd think should be on More ABBA Gold, but I Wonder is wholly suitable there as well. I guess there's just more than 20 more ABBA gold songs in the end. Interestingly, there's two budget compilations sold at the museum store: 18 Hits (the Swedish edition) and Classic ABBA. Whilst I think 18 Hits is not least there because it's the latest and only available imprint of all four 1973/74 Swedish versions, Classic ABBA contains several of these songs that wouldn't be out of place on More ABBA Gold, but aren't there, alongside HNY: MLML, WDIHTBM, IIWFTN, and STMF. With both HNY and IIWFTN having been concieved as singles, but relegated in favour of Super Trouper and Chiquitia, and MLML, WDIHTBM and STMF having been included in the Mamma Mia movies, plus additional key tracks from the early years like PNL and Hasta Manana, this compilation could serve as sort of an ABBA Gold Vol. 3, or as an ABBA entrée, mixing original hit singles with recently elevated songs. This is a bit the direction I had thought an ABBA Platinum compilation would take, alas it turned out as The Singles The First Fifty Years, which doesn't. N.b.: 18 Hits contains Happy New Year as well.
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Post by richard on Oct 8, 2024 11:10:37 GMT
I agree with Ed about Happy New Year being a beautiful song - for me, it has the best melody on the Super Trouper album. Pity, imo, that its lyrics probably confine the song for many to a narrow window of the year.
And I agree with Benny's high regard for I Wonder. Superb melody and singing from Frida. But, like Ed, a lot of ABBA fans don't seem to go much on it. I find that a pity.
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Post by ed on Oct 8, 2024 18:09:15 GMT
Thanks Richard. " Happy New Year " also features a sublime lead vocal from Agnetha. Such a shame it wasn't chosen for inclusion on " More Gold ". However, I have never been fond of " I Wonder ". Yes, Frida delivers a powerful vocal but only Benny and herself feature within the song. I don't think Agnetha contributed to the chorus as I can't hear her vocals at all. So strictly speaking only half of ABBA recorded the song.
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Post by johnny on Oct 9, 2024 7:36:59 GMT
I would have omitted several songs from More ABBA Gold, Lovelight, Cassandra, The Way Old Friends Do, I Wonder (Departure)- and not have included Happy New Year.
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Post by justabba on Oct 9, 2024 8:42:53 GMT
I would have omitted several songs from More ABBA Gold, Lovelight, Cassandra, The Way Old Friends Do, I Wonder (Departure)- and not have included Happy New Year You forget More ABBA gold started life as "The other side of ABBA", so would explain why Cassandra and Lovelight are there.
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Post by johnny on Oct 9, 2024 9:43:36 GMT
There's plenty of really good album tracks that could be described as "the other side of ABBA". It seems odd to include B Sides. In the case of Lovelight not good enough to make VV...
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Post by Alan on Oct 11, 2024 12:12:28 GMT
As Happy New Year wasn’t included on the following year’s Thank You For The Music set, I don’t see it as an omission. Aside from The Essential Collection (as it had a video) or 18 Hits (which was a budget compilation anyway) it doesn’t generally get included. It wasn’t originally a single in any significant country. Posts that originally followed johnny’s above have been moved to a new topic, as discussion moved into a different subject worthy of its own thread: abbachat.com/thread/1922/alternative-mixes-officially-released
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Post by johnny on Oct 11, 2024 14:20:54 GMT
More Gold was good for it's time, though of course not perfect. But that was before Mamma Mia! and the now popular track Slipping Through My Fingers. Before Voyage too, both album and show so no I Still Have Faith in You, Don't Shut Me Down, Hole in Your Soul.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 11, 2024 14:33:08 GMT
Exactly. I doubt any compilation would ever be perfect. We'd never be left not wanting something more. Your point is well made and circles us back towards that earlier discussion about an anniversary release. While the Mamma Mia! franchise might not be the most beloved thing among fans, it did at least elevate the profiles of some otherwise hidden gems, so it makes even less sense that those songs weren't gathered for a compilation.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 11, 2024 14:52:07 GMT
Going slightly off topic... But I love how different we all in our likes and dislikes.. thank God for that....
I love Lovelight, always have , preferred it over Chiquitita ( never sure of spelling without looking..lol ) , in my humble opinion, should've made the album and perhaps should've been a single..Other great " B" sides that should've made an album first time out , Elaine , Cassandra, Should I Laugh Or Cry... really are to good
I know I've said it before. And it's only a pipe dream , along with a few other hidden gems, IATC, JLT, even YOMO... we have another album.. which to be honest I'd buy over "50 " any day.... I guess we just create our own downloaded albums these days though....
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Post by ed on Oct 11, 2024 16:35:18 GMT
The Netherlands is a significant country as it yields a huge ABBA fan base and it is the country where The Official International ABBA Fan Club magazine is written and published every March, June, September and December. OK so " Happy New Year " wasn't released as a single until 1999 long after " More ABBA Gold " as Alan pointed out. I still consider it a much better song than some of the tracks included on " More Gold ". Notably " I Wonder " and dare I say " I Am The City ". Despite quirky joint vocals from both Agnetha and Frida the song for me does not quite match the standard as per " Cassandra " or " The Day Before You Came ". " You Owe Me One " is possibly the worst song within the band's catalogue. Sorry, Foreverfan.
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Post by Alan on Oct 11, 2024 18:26:00 GMT
Reissues don’t tend to count as proper singles, hence why it rarely appears on a compilation. And I did say “it wasn’t originally a single in any significant country” meaning 1972-1982. If reissues counted it would be on the new The Singles 50, but it isn’t.
Based on its track record since 1993 (one major full-price compilation - The Essential Collection), even if More Gold was first released now, Happy New Year wouldn’t be on it.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 11, 2024 21:51:40 GMT
A point I give ed is that the ABBA story tends to be UK- and Sweden-centred, probably even more and more so with the years, and that thus one could easily overlook other countries like the Netherlands. For example, ABBA never really had the big valley of tears after Waterloo in Australia, Germany or the Benelux countries. Both Honey Honey and I Do I Do I Do were more or less big hits in these countries (Honey Honey being particularly successful in Germany, peaking at #2 for weeks, and I Do I Do hitting the #1 spot in Australia and being a top 3 hit in the Netherlands and Belgium), and even So Long, which entirely failed to chart in the UK, almost cracked the top 10 in Germany, peaking at #11. That said, Happy New Year also was issued as a millenial single in 1999, but I'm with Alan that this is a retrospective single. It still raises the question where to draw the line with the silly "The Singles The First Fifty Years" concept. As with Happy New Year on More Gold, I think this is one of ABBA's precious songs that show you that you are not done with one compilation. Not even with two (or a double disc compilation). Because there is a top notch track like this that could easily have been a proper single, it's got a video and an iconic TV performance even, but it's just on the album. So, this is where to dive into, ultimately.
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Post by johnny on Oct 12, 2024 9:53:09 GMT
On post Waterloo success the extremes were Germany (with Austria and Switzerland) where Honey Honey was Top 5 in all 3 countries contrasted with the UK (and Ireland) with total flops for next 18 months.
But in between those, the follow up to Waterloo in most countries was Honey Honey. It reached only #30 in Australia and wasn't that big in Benelux only scraping into Dutch and Belgain Top 20.So Long failed to make the Top 40 in those countties. It reached #42 in Belgium and no chart entry at all in The Nethrrlands. It was released there.
It was a year after Waterloo, in Spring 1975 that ABBA got their next huge hit in Belgium/Netherlands with I Do x6. A bit of re-writing of history to say ABBA struggled only in the UK.
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Post by johnny on Oct 12, 2024 10:16:46 GMT
If Gold and More Gold followed the Dutch success we'd have Head Over Heels (#1 on one chart) but not Mamma Mia which didn't make the Top 10. No Lay All Your Love On Me (Erasure cover UK #1 and ABBA's original Top 10 in UK) There was an Australian version which included Rock Me. What? ? I used to think the GOLD tracklisting should have been more International and less UK centric. I was wrong. That would have meant no LAYLOM but I Do x5 included.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2024 10:58:51 GMT
I used to think that the Netherlands and Belgium were the most loyal of countries. As johnny points out, even Head Over Heels was number one in the Netherlands. However, looking at the Wikipedia discography it appears they “only” had ten number one hits there and the likes of Honey Honey, Mamma Mia and Summer Night City didn’t do all that well there (think we had this discussion before but there’s another Dutch chart, isn’t there?) Belgium isn’t shown, but isn’t their discography a bit ridiculous, almost every single number one? I like how the Wikipedia discography does split off the reissues. Happy New Year was apparently a number 4 hit in Sweden in 1999, and number 5 in Norway, so it’s clear to see that retrospective singles don’t count in terms of hits compilations. If it’s not 1972-1982 or 2021 it’s ignored.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 12, 2024 11:59:19 GMT
It just goes to show how lazily The Singles 50 was compiled. Had they included HNY with regards to these 1999 chart places and possibly some others (TYFTM 1983 or 1992ish anyone?), together with a confident picture of ABBA today (as The Singles 10 pictured ABBA in 1982), it would have made for a bold statement - daring, but brave - not the 1972-82 tracks plus half of Voyage pictured by a 1975 shot that hadn't been used for artwork before for good reason with silly title, as it turned out.
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Post by johnny on Oct 12, 2024 12:12:23 GMT
In Belgium (Flanders/Dutch speaking), 13 #1 singles. Walloon (French speaking) only has entries listed until 1979. hitparade.ch/artist/ABBA#chartsIt's funny how success varies in different countries. In 1977-early 1978, 3 UK #1's but failed to get to #1 in The Netherlands. 1979, no UK #1 but all #1's in Belgium. In Germany no #1 after Knowing Me Knowing You in early 1977 until Super Trouper at the end of 1980. hitparade.ch/artist/ABBA#charts
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Post by baab on Oct 12, 2024 12:39:39 GMT
I find it a bit hard to compare all EU countries because within the EU, the multiple record companies responsible for ABBA releases worked in different ways. E.g. Polydor released the highly successfull compilation A wie ABBA or A van ABBA between GH Vol. 2 and ABBA The Singles to have an updated Greatest Hits compilation including TWTIA and Super Trouper, while in the UK no such release was seen. On the other hand, Epic treated the Fans with much more collectors items like picture discs, Box Sets of Super Trouper and the Singles, etc.to enhance Sales while Polydor did ... nothing...
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Post by gary on Oct 12, 2024 17:07:29 GMT
I can’t remember the exact number of number ones, but Ireland is up there as one of the most loyal countries. I think they might be just behind Belgium.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2024 18:19:10 GMT
I can’t remember the exact number of number ones, but Ireland is up there as one of the most loyal countries. I think they might be just behind Belgium. 12 according to Wikipedia. Mostly the same as the UK apart from, additionally, Summer Night City, Chiquitita, Gimme Gimme Gimme and One of Us, but not The Name of the Game (which was no. 2). However, was their chart not entirely sales-based? What were their Belgium number ones?
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Post by baab on Oct 12, 2024 18:43:21 GMT
Anyway, we Germans have named 4 streets in our Capital after each ABBA member. We are THE ABBA loyalists!
:-)
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Post by gary on Oct 12, 2024 19:37:45 GMT
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Post by johnny on Oct 12, 2024 20:07:22 GMT
^Those Belgian chart positions quoted in Abbacharts.com are unofficial, which is acknowledged. ABBA does better in those charts.
In the Ultrapop charts which I quoted, 13 number Ones in Belgium (Flanders region)
Alan, in those days the Irish charts were based on shipments - so that is why they had additional number Ones than the UK. SNC. I recall got a UK Silver disc straight away (shipments). In Ireland it got to #1 because of shipments while UK charts based on sales to customers. The 3 1982 singles did better than in the UK, 11 - 15, I recall, again this was shipments.
The Name of the Game only reached #1 in the UK. In Sweden. Netherlands, Belgium and Ireland held off from #1 spot by the mighty Baccara's Yes Sir I Can Boogie. In Ireland The Carpenters Calling Occupants was also #1 - depriving ABBA
As for loyalty, the Germans were immediately after Waterloo, from late 1975 to early 1977 but not really from mid 1977 to late 1980 when TNOTG got to #7, TACOM to #3 and TWTIA to #4. VV failed to make the Top 10.
In the UK, we have Frida Crescent, Benny Avenue. Agnetha Road and Bjorn Cul du Sac. OK. I made this last bit up 😀
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