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Post by chelseacharger on Sept 12, 2015 19:36:11 GMT
Vallentuna, 1973
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Post by Fafner on Sept 12, 2015 20:10:21 GMT
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Post by Fafner on Sept 16, 2015 23:28:52 GMT
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Post by Fafner on Sept 19, 2015 13:23:56 GMT
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Post by Fafner on Sept 20, 2015 16:23:44 GMT
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Post by dizzymoe33 on Sept 20, 2015 17:33:55 GMT
Thanks fafner  |
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Post by Fafner on Sept 22, 2015 12:04:08 GMT
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Post by dizzymoe33 on Sept 22, 2015 21:48:11 GMT
^^Great find that is new to me thanks |
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Post by Fafner on Sept 27, 2015 18:43:31 GMT
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Post by shotdowninaction on Sept 28, 2015 16:28:05 GMT
Scan of original slide  |
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Post by Fafner on Sept 28, 2015 16:41:58 GMT
Different cropping  |
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Post by Fafner on Sept 29, 2015 17:19:41 GMT
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Post by Fafner on Oct 3, 2015 22:19:00 GMT
Agnetha's in the air   |
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Post by shotdowninaction on Oct 6, 2015 9:37:45 GMT
Two golden girls shining on stage  |
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Post by Fafner on Oct 6, 2015 22:30:19 GMT
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Post by Fafner on Oct 8, 2015 15:56:29 GMT
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Post by shotdowninaction on Oct 9, 2015 14:24:37 GMT
No idea who uploaded it but I love it  |
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Post by Fafner on Oct 9, 2015 14:27:02 GMT
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Post by Fafner on Oct 12, 2015 22:08:28 GMT
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Post by mwilson on Oct 12, 2015 23:41:40 GMT
Poor Frida. She looks great in that silver outfit but how can anyone's eyes not go to Agnetha's red getup.
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Post by shoshin on Oct 12, 2015 23:51:08 GMT
Poor Frida. She looks great in that silver outfit but how can anyone's eyes not go to Agnetha's red getup. Yet the drummer seems more drawn to Frida  How come behind Frida there is another Frida from a different hair era?  |
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Post by Fafner on Oct 12, 2015 23:56:07 GMT
Poor Frida. She looks great in that silver outfit but how can anyone's eyes not go to Agnetha's red getup. Yep... Remember this clip? (the applause at the beginning... poor Frida) |
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Post by mwilson on Oct 12, 2015 23:55:50 GMT
[quote author=" shoshin" How come behind Frida there is another Frida from a different hair era? [/quote] Good observation, Martin. Perhaps they were performing in an alternate universe. |
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Post by shoshin on Oct 13, 2015 0:37:14 GMT
Poor Frida. She looks great in that silver outfit but how can anyone's eyes not go to Agnetha's red getup. Yep... Remember this clip? (the applause at the beginning... poor Frida) I can't seem to find the Waterloo performance on YouTube any more, so have got it from Dailymotion. During the choruses, the cameraman seems determined to get a shot of Agnetha from the back. First chorus he goes round clockwise, second chorus he tries his luck anti-clockwise, but she's got all the angles covered. Then she has to stop twirling to do the last 'win when I lose' direct to camera and they niftily switch the shot to the other side so that she is facing the wrong way. High fives in the control room. |
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Post by Fafner on Oct 13, 2015 0:47:17 GMT
Yep... Remember this clip? (the applause at the beginning... poor Frida) I can't seem to find the Waterloo performance on YouTube any more, so have got it from Dailymotion. During the choruses, the cameraman seems determined to get a shot of Agnetha from the back. First chorus he goes round clockwise, second chorus he tries his luck anti-clockwise, but she's got all the angles covered. Then she has to stop twirling to do the last 'win when I lose' direct to camera and they niftily switch the shot to the other side so that she is facing the wrong way. High fives in the control room. I think that she just forgot to turn around like the others And what about 1:02? |
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Post by mwilson on Oct 13, 2015 2:37:01 GMT
Oh that was totally a goof on Agnetha's part. She turned the wrong way. It's on this video of various bloopers, many of which involve just the girls. Among the highlights are the two of them nearly cracking up at the most serious moment of "Fernando" and Frida patting Agnetha on the head while performing "Mamma Mia"
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Post by shoshin on Oct 13, 2015 8:04:40 GMT
Oh that was totally a goof on Agnetha's part. She turned the wrong way. It's on this video of various bloopers, many of which involve just the girls. Among the highlights are the two of them nearly cracking up at the most serious moment of "Fernando" and Frida patting Agnetha on the head while performing "Mamma Mia" lol, I did embellish the tale there to support the general appreciation of the outfit; I wasn't actually under the impression that lecherous cameramen were conspiring and eventually succeeded I'm not on message regarding it being Agnetha's blooper though. Agnetha didn't turn the wrong way. In fact, throughout the song she seems to be the only member of the group who has remembered rehearsals in terms of the camera movements and changes. She has to deliver that last line to the camera behind; that's what it has been positioned there for. She also has to finish the line before she turns. The switch to the front shot happens too quickly; you can see the camera that Agnetha had been facing, still being wheeled away fast when the shot changes to the front stage view. That rear camera shouldn't be in shot from the front if they had worked this out properly It's a camera operator or control room error. The front shot should have been on one or more of the remaining members, giving the rear camera time to pull away and Agnetha time to turn away from it, then zooming out when she had turned. Wonderwoman couldn't have spun fast enough to keep up with that camera switch. Edit: Just looked in more detail (it's a video that's always well worth a detailed look!). I haven't got the timings quite right above, have I? But I still maintain that Agnetha is following camera directions and hasn't turned the wrong way; it's the camera shot that changes. She thinks her camera is going to wheel round to the front again, so starts to move her head and body to match it. When it doesn't, she sticks with it to deliver the first word of the chorus, then the camera retracts so she has nowhere to go but to face the front again. The reason I'm confident that this was a camera/control room error is that it's often said that cameras unfairly focused on Agnetha, but I would argue that it was the other way round: she was always extremely good at following detailed camera directions and noticing which one was active. For example, in the highly popular 'Agnetha turns her back' SOS clip (American Bandstand), she looks back over her shoulder momentarily in the first chorus for a very brief and detailed angle change. And of course, in the Fernando (Poland) blooper Agnetha is facing the right way We need a thread to test out my theory that Agnetha paid more attention to the active camera than Frida, resulting in the claim that the cameras were paying more attention to her. |
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Post by mwilson on Oct 13, 2015 13:19:32 GMT
Oh that was totally a goof on Agnetha's part. She turned the wrong way. It's on this video of various bloopers, many of which involve just the girls. Among the highlights are the two of them nearly cracking up at the most serious moment of "Fernando" and Frida patting Agnetha on the head while performing "Mamma Mia" We need a thread to test out my theory that Agnetha paid more attention to the active camera than Frida, resulting in the claim that the cameras were paying more attention to her. You have a point. I see at "so how could I ever refuse..." Frida is late and Agnetha is right on time. In fact, watching the whole video, I'm seeing that a lot. You wanna start the thread or should I? |
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Post by shoshin on Oct 13, 2015 14:10:32 GMT
We need a thread to test out my theory that Agnetha paid more attention to the active camera than Frida, resulting in the claim that the cameras were paying more attention to her. You have a point. I see at "so how could I ever refuse..." Frida is late and Agnetha is right on time. In fact, watching the whole video, I'm seeing that a lot. You wanna start the thread or should I? I can get round to it later this evening if you like: ABBAangles maybe? I'll be stressing that no Frida bashing is involved; very happy to see 'proof' to the contrary. Could be a fun thread if everyone submits their 'evidence' with links that jump straight to the moment in question. Going to get my 'Frida's Fernando in Poland' boot in first though, before the even-handedness takes over |
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Post by chelseacharger on Oct 13, 2015 14:47:11 GMT
It might be a little bit of a blooper on both sides. I think back in those days there were different systems for changing camera views and I guess too that multiple views, especially front and back of such performances were still quite novel. Depending on the country and/or network, camera's often had lights on them to signify they were the ones that were filming at that moment. When the light went off, the performer would know it was time to face another way. Other TV studios would have a director/technician who would point to another camera at the right moment. Bjorn and Frida turn together (not sure if one is following the others lead there) so there must have been some sort of signal. It does though look like a small howler caused by the signalling because you're right, shoshin. The other camera shouldn't really have been caught in shot when they switched.
It's all quite endearing really seeing their occasional choreography mishaps and struggles with the imaginative minds of TV show directors. That 'Studio 2' one was particularly challenging what with Frida seemingly flummoxed for most of 'Fernando' with what camera was actually on. Then they're asked to do the second performance of the song while climbing a steep set of steps covered in slippery plastic and no handrail..in stiletto's.
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