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Post by dizzymoe33 on Nov 9, 2014 18:18:11 GMT
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Post by littleagnetha on Nov 9, 2014 21:41:39 GMT
AHAHHA I loved it!!!!! Thanks for sharing!
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Post by dizzymoe33 on Nov 10, 2014 18:59:26 GMT
You're welcome Carol, it is a fun picture! )
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Post by 15/11/79 on Dec 9, 2014 20:31:21 GMT
Stig. He's rarely talked about. What is the man's legacy? A genius who managed and cultivated an iconic worldwide group of superstars or a ruthless businessman who fell out with the group members over financial affairs and ended his relationship with the members in acrimony, tainting his legacy? I don't know the details of the final years very well but it's fascinating all the same. He passed away a good while ago so maybe it's ok now to assess the mark he made during those crucial, formative years in the early seventies. What do you think?
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Post by dizzymoe33 on Dec 10, 2014 19:41:07 GMT
Stig. He's rarely talked about. What is the man's legacy? A genius who managed and cultivated an iconic worldwide group of superstars or a ruthless businessman who fell out with the group members over financial affairs and ended his relationship with the members in acrimony, tainting his legacy? I don't know the details of the final years very well but it's fascinating all the same. He passed away a good while ago so maybe it's ok now to assess the mark he made during those crucial, formative years in the early seventies. What do you think? To me he is both! As we say here in America, "He got too big for his britches"! His hard work and energy during the early years was amazing but sadly his actions later on in life tainted the positives he provided.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 18:52:02 GMT
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Post by Liebezeit on Jun 13, 2017 4:10:26 GMT
Photo by Michael Brannäs
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 17:50:06 GMT
Stig. He's rarely talked about. What is the man's legacy? A genius who managed and cultivated an iconic worldwide group of superstars or a ruthless businessman who fell out with the group members over financial affairs and ended his relationship with the members in acrimony, tainting his legacy? I don't know the details of the final years very well but it's fascinating all the same. He passed away a good while ago so maybe it's ok now to assess the mark he made during those crucial, formative years in the early seventies. What do you think? He was a genius of the music business and without him, they never would have broken out of Sweden. ZERO chance. Period. That aspect of their career, the worldwide success, a lot of that happened because of Stig's experience and contacts, and relentless devotion to the band.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 3:11:52 GMT
Stig. He's rarely talked about. What is the man's legacy? A genius who managed and cultivated an iconic worldwide group of superstars or a ruthless businessman who fell out with the group members over financial affairs and ended his relationship with the members in acrimony, tainting his legacy? I don't know the details of the final years very well but it's fascinating all the same. He passed away a good while ago so maybe it's ok now to assess the mark he made during those crucial, formative years in the early seventies. What do you think? He was a genius of the music business and without him, they never would have broken out of Sweden. ZERO chance. Period. That aspect of their career, the worldwide success, a lot of that happened because of Stig's experience and contacts, and relentless devotion to the band. I think you're absolutely right. But the sad, and weird, thing is that he himself lost track of his his true importance to their success once he started picturing himself as the fifth member, making pompous statements about their next project, etc. And by the time their relationship ended up in court, I guess even the group couldn't acknowledge, or remember it anymore.
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Post by shoshin on Jun 23, 2017 15:17:01 GMT
...without him, they never would have broken out of Sweden. ZERO chance. Period... I think you're absolutely right... So certain? I could live with something like 'without him, they might never have broken out of Sweden', but it should be easy enough to demonstrate that they had a lot more than ZERO chance. Are we all agreed that the ABBA couples would have come together musically whether or not Stig was involved in their management, that B & B wrote great songs whether or not Stig had a hand in them, that the girls' vocal skills were exceptional and that the four of them had sufficient drive, motivation and ambition? If the latter is the least certain, we might note that Benny and Frida were parents but made the decision to prioritise their career, while Agnetha's early determination should be self evident. Did they really need Stig to keep them working towards their dream? Forty years later, Benny has never stopped making music, while Agnetha keeps returning to it. What else would they have done during the 1970s, other than keep plugging away in the recording studio? So the question is whether or not they would have had success beyond their national borders. Well, we know that they would have tried. Benny wrote Sunny Girl without Stig, and it was a number one in the Netherlands, while Agnetha put her home stardom at risk by decamping to Germany for a while. Nor did they need Stig to tell them that the UK/US was really where it was at; we have plenty of evidence for this. So they would have tried, but would they have succeeded? I would argue that two events were key elements in developing and sustaining their international career: Eurovision of course, and the superb quality of SOS, which rescued them from the one hit wonder basement. Surely there's little debate about the fact that they would have had a number of Melodifestivalen attempts, whether or not Stig was on the scene. Which Swedish artist of national repute gave it a miss? Frida had a go on her own in 1969, while Agnetha submitted a song in 1968. The four of them would surely have been knocking at the Eurovision door throughout the 1970s, even if Waterloo hadn't given them their ticket in 1974. Would they have ever won the Melodifestivalen without Stig? Well, wasn't his songwriting input mainly restricted to ideas and the odd lyric? As well as Waterloo, Ring Ring was a potential winner, and so was Hasta Manana, and so was Bang-A-Boomerang, etc. There would have been more each year throughout the decade, and it would be a wild leap in the dark to believe that they would all have been unsuccessful with Stig's compositional involvement subtracted. So I'm arguing that a Stigless ABBA could easily have won through to a Eurovision grand final with a strong song, whether in 1974 or later. Then Frida and Agnetha would have turned up, looking like they did and singing like they did. Zero chance of winning? OK, so what about the SOS moment? Stig helped a little with that song, but even in the unlikely event that it was a crucial contribution without which SOS would have bombed, ABBA's singles from SOS to TACOM were so individually distinct that any one of them could have rescued their dwindling fortunes. Finally. Finally. In the early days, did Stig really have all of the international contacts and clout that Wombat mentions? His Wiki entry is very Scandicentric. Would he have needed to put so many of ABBA's eggs in the Eurovision basket if he really did have lots of strings to pull in the UK and US? It's not as if the UK was a completely closed door to continental acts during this period. Focus and Golden Earring didn't need to win Eurovision. To conclude. ABBA had the songwriting and vocal talent to succeed internationally, as well as the determination.They would have made repeated Eurovision attempts with or without Stig. Gorgeous girls with great voices, singing a catchy song, will always stand a chance. Further, B & B showed in the SOS-TACOM period a versatility and adventure in their songwriting that would always have maximised their chances, sooner or later, of stabilising their international career with a post-Eurovision hit. Discuss?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 14:35:45 GMT
I think you're absolutely right... So they would have tried, but would they have succeeded? I think the question could be put in reverse: they would have succeeded, for all the reasons you point out, but would they have tried? They obviously got involved romantically on their own, and Björn and Benny believed enough in their abilities (as well as already having made it as far as they could on their home turf) to start to look abroad for a challenge, but would that exact constellation have been so obvious to themselves, left to their own devices? I agree that Stig's international contacts were not that impressive by most standards today, but at the time they were unique for Scandinavia, and so was his personality. I believe it's hard to imagine how high the mental mountain of a succesful international career to be climbed was for a Swedish pop group at the time. As we know, he kept telling B+B that they would write a worldwide hit one day, which I think was exactly what they needed. I'm not sure at all that either of them (or the girls) had the initial confidence that he supplied, in spades… Sure, the might very well have competed in Melodifestivalen and eventually won, but the fact that there was a follow-up master plan, crafted with his resources, such as they were, was surely necessary? When everything was hanging in the balance, after Brighton, and before SOS, I can easily imagine them slipping back to Sweden, thinking 'at least we tried' and having a pretty good local career if he hadn't been breathing down their necks! Also, Hep Stars' international attempt was pretty desultory, to put it mildly, and Agnetha's German foray ended abruptly, for whatever reason - neither of which can have boosted either one's confidence, I imagine. It must be hard for a non-Swede to fathom what a very special character Stig was, for better or worse - for better, at ABBA's creation, I'm sure!
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