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Post by shoshin on Aug 21, 2015 10:19:25 GMT
An abbachronism is when an ABBA related event, whether musical or biographical, has apparently occurred at a point that should be impossible given the conventional view of time as a causally related progression from past to future. A few miscellaneous examples to illustrate: The introductory bars to Eagle have obviously been heavily influenced by Pink Floyd's Another Brick In The Wall, while Arrival owes much to the spirit of Mull of Kintyre. Documentary makers and youtubers portray happier times in Agnetha and Björn's doomed marriage by showing them skating together at Leysin. ISA is clearly the sequel to TWTIA Just a bit of fun. Any more?  |
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Post by shoshin on Oct 27, 2015 23:46:36 GMT
An ABBAchronism to try to breathe life into this thread. B&B's One Night In Bangkok, with its Brit-rap verses, was clearly an attempt by the middle aged ex-ABBA composers to emulate the success of the much hipper breakthrough Pet Shop Boys number 1 West End Girls. Except that ONIB preceded WEG |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 22:33:07 GMT
Don't know if it's an anachronism, a premonition or a subconscious giveaway, but in the official 'One of Us' video, Agnetha packs up…a Garbo biography.
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Post by shoshin on Nov 25, 2015 22:52:45 GMT
Don't know if it's an anachronism, a premonition or a subconscious giveaway, but in the official 'One of Us' video, Agnetha packs up…a Garbo biography. A perfect ABBAchronism, thanks |
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Post by WATERLOO on Sept 18, 2016 8:15:53 GMT
The introductory bars to Eagle have obviously been heavily influenced by Pink Floyd's Another Brick In The Wall So that's what people write? Because Another Brick was only released in 1979, long after Eagle had been recorded. Is that the ABBAchronism? Maybe that's the reason why this thread is so empty because it was not easy to understand what you actually mean. You mean instances in which the media or whoever use something ABBA-related to illustrate something that was impossible to happen that way because it had either not happened yet or happened long ago? |
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Post by Alan on Sept 18, 2016 16:13:34 GMT
^^ Shoshin did write:
"An abbachronism is when an ABBA related event, whether musical or biographical, has apparently occurred at a point that should be impossible given the conventional view of time as a causally related progression from past to future. "
Not sure how I Stand Alone being a sequel to The Winner Takes It All can be considered one though. It isn't, but timewise, that's how it did happen. Unlike the others, it isn't impossible.
Anachronism:
a thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.
"the town is a throwback to medieval times, an anachronism that has survived the passing years"
the action of attributing something to a period to which it does not belong.
"it is anachronism to suppose that the official morality of the age was mere window dressing"
Must admit, I mixed it up with "acronym" af first and wondered what the topic was about!
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Post by shoshin on Sept 18, 2016 22:30:21 GMT
^^ .. Not sure how I Stand Alone being a sequel to The Winner Takes It All can be considered one though. It isn't, but timewise, that's how it did happen. Unlike the others, it isn't impossible.. I'm sort of imagining someone who isn't an ABBA fan reading the lyrics to ISA and feeling pretty confident that TWTIA must have been written first. In ISA the singer is recovering from the TWTIA low-point and is now in 'I Will Survive' mode: 'I was a loser then [in that 'earlier' song TWTIA] but I'm a winner now' etc. |
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Post by shoshin on Sept 28, 2016 23:36:55 GMT
Agnetha wrote the lyrics to this, capturing beautifully, as only a mother can, her devotion to her children. Except..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 19:30:39 GMT
"So that's what people write? Because Another Brick was only released in 1979, long after Eagle had been recorded. Is that the ABBAchronism? Maybe that's the reason why this thread is so empty because it was not easy to understand what you actually mean. Yes, somewhat confusing.... |
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Post by Alan on Sept 29, 2016 19:47:15 GMT
A very confusing post there, Johnny, but perfectly understandable. Shoshin's quote is empty and it looks as though you've just quoted Waterloo with nothing added, but I've worked out the last line is yours.
Why is this format of forum so hard to quote posts on? I went to quote Johnny's post and saw "[ br ]" no fewer than nine times!! What's that all about?
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Post by Zeebee on Sept 29, 2016 20:51:48 GMT
Why is this format of forum so hard to quote posts on? I went to quote Johnny's post and saw "[ br ]" no fewer than nine times!! What's that all about? That's odd. I haven't seen "[ br ]" anyplace. And I've never had a problem quoting here. |
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Post by Alan on Sept 30, 2016 1:57:12 GMT
^^ I'd take a screenshot but I can't see how to post photos either! Not in the mobile view anyway.
Johnny's post has since been amended, so my post doesn't make much sense now.
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Post by shoshin on Sept 30, 2016 16:54:42 GMT
^^ I'd take a screenshot but I can't see how to post photos either! Not in the mobile view anyway. Johnny's post has since been amended, so my post doesn't make much sense now. The *br* is an html line break (well, html would usually be <br>, long story). Not sure how you ended up seeing them on this occasion, but to briefly explain, if you are in the default 'preview' mode and choose to make some text bold for example, then switch to the 'BBCode' tab, you will see that the word 'bold' isn't bold now, but instead is enclosed by a *b* and a */b*. So the 'BBCode' tab allows you to view, and indeed edit, the html code required to make your text bold. I think the *br* has somehow been introduced into Johnny's post as a result of this kind of process. I've found that when quotes cause problems on this site, it's often because someone has edited the text within a quote to make it shorter or to remove an image (which is to be encouraged). Unfortunately, when they then try to exit the quote box to write their own reply, the cursor has become trapped within the quote and doesn't move to the expected place. So instead the reply gets accidentally typed within the quote. It is a bit of a pain I must admit. The workaround that I use is to switch to 'BBCode' mode to position the cursor outside the quote box. There's a reason why I had to use asterisk rather than square bracket above, but it would be even more 'tldr' if I explained |
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Post by Alan on Sept 30, 2016 17:50:42 GMT
I don't see a BBCode tab! All I see when writing a post is the box for text, a "Bookmark this thread" tick box and the "Create Post" button. Absolutely nothing else shows. I'm using an iPhone, with the forum in mobile view - does that make a difference?
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Post by shoshin on Sept 30, 2016 21:25:34 GMT
I don't see a BBCode tab!...I'm using an iPhone, with the forum in mobile view - does that make a difference? Ah yes, I think so. I view abbachat on my mobile, but never post using it. So I just checked for the first time and it appears that only the BBCode mode shows on mine, with all of the html. This might also explain why Zeebee did not recognize the symptoms. I think you can download a forum app, Tapatalk, which will probably give a better mobile experience, though I haven't tried it myself. |
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Post by shoshin on Sept 30, 2016 22:08:37 GMT
....Maybe that's the reason why this thread is so empty because it was not easy to understand what you actually mean. Yes, somewhat confusing.... I thought that the Sov Gott video might clear things up, but it hasn't helped at all  In this thread I'm interested in assumptions that non-ABBA fans either make, or might well make with apparent justification, but that ABBA fans would realize cannot be correct because they would be anachronistic. So to take an extreme example, YouTube comments on GGG sometimes state that the song is a rip-off of Madonna. Or someone will say of KMKY that the girls were very brave to sing it, given that their marriages had broken down. But I'm really looking for something a bit more subtle than that; maybe even something that would make an ABBA fan think twice about before spotting the ABBAchronism. I have another thread, 'Confusingly affectionate photos', which is sort of ABBAchronistic. These are images in which the couples appear to be too happy in each other's company for the photo to have been taken after their marriages were over. www.abbachat.com/thread/578/confusingly-affectionate-photos |
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Post by Alan on Oct 1, 2016 9:33:00 GMT
I've downloaded Tapatalk and am posting with it now. Still can't see how to change to bold or italics though, but photos possible.
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Post by WATERLOO on Oct 3, 2016 10:42:25 GMT
I thought that the Sov Gott video might clear things up, but it hasn't helped at all Well, if I got the Sov gott-thing right, that I'd say it isn't much of a surprise. According to all ABBA-biographies, Agnetha always wanted to have children. Didn't she even cut out little children from magazines or something like that? It's been a long time since I read Bright light …, maybe I confuse that. But I guess it was easy for Agnetha to come up with the lyrics to Sov gott even three years before she had Linda because she had that strong wish to become a mother. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 21:59:29 GMT
How about this? "You were married…" "We still are!"
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Post by dougw on Jan 3, 2017 17:32:09 GMT
You mean like if people thought that Hey Hey Helen was a sequel to KMKY?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:39:25 GMT
^^^
KMKY is a prequel in its own right, as well as an ABBAchronism. Rather astonishing actually, when you think of it, to hear two married/to-be married couples singing a smash break-up hit!
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Post by shoshin on Oct 31, 2017 1:33:54 GMT
ABBAchronistic video:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 4:42:56 GMT
^^^
Well, it's not their worst lip sync I've seen...
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