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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 21, 2017 1:31:45 GMT
Yes, there was a topic about Frida's albums being reissued this year. I decided to create a survey about this particular album's reissue, in the anticipation of Record Store Day 2017. Within a few miles and not more than 30 miles, I tried to find a record store that participates in Record Store Day 2017, but fortunately, I was saved (maybe), finding a retail record store, and I got to talk to the cashier about this album. The cashier said that he has no idea if this album would be delivered there, but he said they'll be there tomorrow for preparing the Record Store Day (the day after tomorrow). Sometimes non-English albums can be rather hard to find on mainland USA? Not a strange occurrence of it, I thought. A few of the indie record stores that were over 30 miles away from where I live, got Anni-Frid Lyngstad the recognition she had, but only a minimum interest. A survey was created in this thread not for curiosity but for discussions (the audio mastering, packaging, and tons of stuffs...) about this album that was reissued... expectedly. (Coincidences includes Frida's 50 years of her Swedish solo career since her inception on Hylands Hörna in 1967, and me sending Music on Vinyl a note that this album should be reissued) Infos: 
ANNI-FRID LYNGSTAD – FRIDA (1971) (2017 RSD EXCLUSIVE)Limited edition, pressed in 3,000 copies (Thanks Michal for the info!) Confirmed release: Australia, France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden (500 copies)United States and Canada (1500 copies)MSRP: $21.98 USD (feel free to translate from this currency to your currency) If you're wondering if your country participates RSD, you can check this link here Link: International Venues of RSD Select one answer at a time when taking part of this survey. :-)
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Post by Alan on Apr 21, 2017 5:30:25 GMT
I don't like RSD. You can queue for hours and then find out the item is sold or was never there in the first place. I somehow can't imagine that participating stores will have it, but I'm sure it will turn up on eBay for extortionate amounts.
I wish it was possible to pre-order or reserve what you want, and select the store to get it from. You'd still have to go to the shop and pay there, but if I could do that I'd be more interested in RSD. A few years ago I queued for ages at a small-ish shop for a Kate Bush picture disc but halfway into the queue I noticed one of the staff had a list and what I wanted was crossed out as it was already sold. Since then I vowed never to bother again.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Apr 21, 2017 7:23:58 GMT
I'm gonna look for it and have recommended the album to a shop. My fingers are crossed so hard that it hurts.
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 22, 2017 1:01:43 GMT
I didn't realize there was a pre-RSD review until now! Haha  SPOILER ALERT: |
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Apr 22, 2017 10:06:28 GMT
I couldn't get Frida and I asked for it the previous Saturday but what I did get was Dr Who and The Pescatons.
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Post by Alan on Apr 22, 2017 10:22:55 GMT
I couldn't get Frida and I asked for it the previous Saturday That's why RSD is so flawed. I don't think even the shops know what they're getting, so even if you mention it to them there's probably not a lot they can do. Read this on BBC News: "Kate Tempest has recorded two new tracks directly to vinyl for a special Record Store Day release. Joined by long-term collaborator Dan Carey, the spoken word artist performed People's Faces and Intravenous at London's Abbey Road studio. "The songs were cut on a vinyl lathe in one take. The only physical copy of the 10" has been hidden in an independent record store somewhere in the UK for a music fan to find on Record Store Day. " No idea who Kate Tempest is, but if I was a fan, I'd be quite annoyed about this. Now it's been publicised, it's clearly going to get in the hands of someone who will sell it for an extortionate price on eBay. The chances of a fan finding it and keeping it must be extremely low. |
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Apr 22, 2017 10:26:20 GMT
I don't know how to get that album now other than eBay.
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Apr 22, 2017 10:28:43 GMT
In fact, the previous customer had a list of maybe 15 products he wanted and only 5 products were available for him.
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Post by Alan on Apr 22, 2017 10:38:38 GMT
I know some would say it would defeat the object, but why can’t you order an item so it’s guaranteed to be there? You’d have to go to the shop to order (say, by four weeks before the day), show ID and could only order one of the item. You'd then have to go to the shop on the day and buy what you've reserved. If you don't go by a certain time, they are free to offer it for sale to any customer.
If this was possible, more people might be interested. As it stands it's a lottery, and you've got about as much chance of getting what you want as you have of winning the jackpot on that.
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Post by Alan on Apr 22, 2017 10:41:46 GMT
Two on eBay right now. Wonder how much they will go for?  (The 10 international items only include these two of "our" Frida). |
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 22, 2017 12:22:44 GMT
Two on eBay right now. Wonder how much they will go for? (The 10 international items only include these two of "our" Frida). I don't trust eBay very well for some reason. Bidding doesn't appeal to me much, which I think can be prone to deception; I only like bidding if it's about real estate like a 'pristine condo built in 1945, restored in 2015'. I'm very skeptical of the sellers on eBay, let alone, relying on Amazon since Amazon has better ways of dealing with the customers and sellers... It's just not for me. Since I live in the USA, I might even have a decent bit of chance of obtaining it online if I could, as a last resort via an indie record store's online website due to the favorable copies RSD puts out for the country, comparing to the international who has barely 500 copies.. ouch! But about the bidding, I bet this will go around $800 USD at the end of the auction and around 2-5 months after Record Store Day. I cannot imagine it as bearing the price of $6,500 😆 |
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 13:32:01 GMT
That's why RSD is so flawed. I don't think even the shops know what they're getting, so even if you mention it to them there's probably not a lot they can do. Just an off-the-cuff thought here, and one that's playing devil's advocate a bit, but the pot-luck/lucky dip aspect of this type of event could be seen as having one positive side effect, in that it gives obsessive fans a chance to take a good look at their must-have-everything-in-triplicate urges. I've often thought that having a disproportionate interest in a single artist is a not altogether healthy thing in any case, and have found that people who have such obsessions can be quite dull, knowing all there is to know about one or two artists, and giving the indication of huge gaps elsewhere, in terms of their experiential handle on other stuff. They don't seem to have much of an urge to explore beyond their one true love, and you find that those few other artists they do like mine a similar musical seam to the one mined by their favourite (think of how many ABBA fans you know who like a bit of ambient/drone - a huge field, by now - say, or improvisational jazz, as opposed to how many you know whose second or third faves after ABBA are Queen and Kate Bush). It can't be a bad thing to broaden your interests and to develop as catholic a taste as you can, and maybe one upshot of a Record Store Day frustration is people thinking about that. |
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Post by shoshin on Apr 22, 2017 15:51:28 GMT
...you find that those few other artists they do like mine a similar musical seam to the one mined by their favourite...second or third faves after ABBA are Queen and Kate Bush... I'm just imagining myself, a teenager back in 1974, being told that the artists responsible for Seven Seas of Rhye and Waterloo respectively would one day be considered to have mined 'a similar musical seam'  And how much more experimental and eclectic could Kate Bush get?  |
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Post by Alan on Apr 22, 2017 17:20:31 GMT
I have to say I don't really understand orf's post. No one on here has suggested that they're only interested in ABBA. I'm certainly not. The issue is whether a rare item can be obtained on Record Store Day. It's the rarity of the item that's of interest.
It seems a bit unfair to be stereotyping people like this, and making assumptions. It's the first I knew that many people like ABBA, Queen and Kate Bush. Elsewhere on here there is a topic about Steps. I personally can't stand them but I'm not going to patronise people and say that if you like ABBA, you might be into Steps as well.
The US-based eBay one I posted earlier went for $43. The one in Sweden is currently at £73 with 16 hours to go.
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 22, 2017 17:56:27 GMT
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 18:34:03 GMT
how much more experimental and eclectic could Kate Bush get? I thought this might get challenged and I almost put in the caveat that Bush is experimental, up to a point - as well as being hugely talented, you'd never get me saying otherwise (I have big problems with her singing voice, which essentially has two modes: frighten-the-horses banshee shriek and cloying coquettish, but that's for another discussion). But it's a polished, highly planned and contained, even-though-I-don't-understand-it-I-can-appreciate-the-effort-involved sort of experimental. She's never been, as far as I'm aware (and I'd welcome being shown otherwise) music-concrete-sound-collage experimental, like the Beatles (Revolution 9), or atonal feedback-and-effects-buzz raucous, like Lou Reed or Pat Metheny (Metal Machine Music, Zero Tolerance For Silence), or proto-ambient instrumental experimental like David Bowie (the second halves of Low and "Heroes"). She's been a very inventive and rich artist, no doubt about it, but always within certain limits As far as I know she's never risked alienating her fan-base outright, as those other artists have been prepared to do on occasion. That was the sort of experimental I had in mind. |
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 18:46:39 GMT
In any case, looking back at my reply, I didn't claim that Bush wasn't experimental (although maybe I made it possible for that to be inferred), I just said she seems to be a popular second choice artist for ABBA fantatics. I had thought that some of what I said might've chimed with you, shosh, as someone who'd had trouble drumming up interest in an M83 thread!
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 19:11:37 GMT
I have to say I don't really understand orf's post. No one on here has suggested that they're only interested in ABBA. I'm certainly not. The issue is whether a rare item can be obtained on Record Store Day. No one would probably ever say it; I'm commenting more on the generally feeling you get, on the basis of the focus of certain threads, the way their themes develop, or don't develop. I'd like to get more involved here, but don't sometimes know how to (I'm definitely hobbled by not having as wide a knowledge of ABBA's output as a lot of you), so I ended up doing a bit of a turn as devil's advocate, here. I'm aware it probably came across a bit presumptuous and arrogant (on top of not being strictly on-topic). It wasn't meant as an attack anyone specific, it was just done to stir up a bit of debate. |
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Post by Fafner on Apr 22, 2017 19:17:13 GMT
how much more experimental and eclectic could Kate Bush get? I thought this might get challenged and I almost put in the caveat that Bush is experimental, up to a point - as well as being hugely talented, you'd never get me saying otherwise (I have big problems with her singing voice, which essentially has two modes: frighten-the-horses banshee shriek and cloying coquettish, but that's for another discussion). But it's a polished, highly planned and contained, even-though-I-don't-understand-it-I-can-appreciate-the-effort-involved sort of experimental. She's never been, as far as I'm aware (and I'd welcome being shown otherwise) music-concrete-sound-collage experimental, like the Beatles (Revolution 9), or atonal feedback-and-effects-buzz raucous, like Lou Reed or Pat Metheny (Metal Machine Music, Zero Tolerance For Silence), or proto-ambient instrumental experimental like David Bowie (the second halves of Low and "Heroes"). She's been a very inventive and rich artist, no doubt about it, but always within certain limits As far as I know she's never risked alienating her fan-base outright, as those other artists have been prepared to do on occasion. That was the sort of experimental I had in mind. In my view it has little to do with Abba fans, it's just that most people in general don't care about this kind of music (what you call 'experimental'), so it shouldn't be much of a surprise. |
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 19:35:27 GMT
In my view it has little to do with Abba fans, it's just that most people in general don't care about this kind of music (what you call 'experimental'), so it shouldn't be much of a surprise. I don't always care to listen to it (sometimes I do, e.g. Vangelis' two albums of abstract electronica, or the Byrds country experiment, Sweetheart Of The Rodeo - see, an experiment doesn't have to be formally experimental), but I do often get off on the idea of it; that a popular artist is prepared to recklessly push-the-boat out in such a potentially career-altering way; the gesture of them doing it is often as important as the content of the work itself; is the content of the work, in a certain sort of way (I don't think that Lou Reed for one moment expected his fans to sit through all four sides of Metal Machine Music). Come on, doesn't the alternative-universe idea of ABBA proposing to release an album, one half of which will consist of a continuous, side-long atonal improvisation, tickle you?! Stig rocking back-and-forth with his head in his hands, as it gets the green light! |
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Post by Fafner on Apr 22, 2017 19:46:49 GMT
the gesture of them doing it is often as important as the content of the work itself; is the content of the work Yeah, well, that's why I hate this whole concept of aventgarde, it's simply pretentious. For me music IS about content, and the rest doesn't really matter - but that's me. Come on, doesn't the alternative-universe idea of ABBA proposing to release an album, one half of which will consist of a continuous, side-long atonal improvisation, tickle you?! Stig rocking back-and-forth with his head in his hands, as it gets the green light! No, not really. That would've been just silly, to say the least. Maybe something like that made sense for the Beatles or John Lennon, but not a group like Abba. I'm not saying that artists shouldn't experiment, I'm only saying that everyone has his own musical niche so to speak, and should stick to what he does best (actually I remember watching an interview with Benny where he was asked about why he doesn't compose atonal music - and he just answered sincerely that it's not he's style and he doesn't know how to do it well - and that doesn't of course make him a lesser artist). |
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 20:18:34 GMT
That would've been just silly, to say the least. Maybe something like that made sense for the Beatles or John Lennon, but not a group like Abba. I'm not saying that artists shouldn't experiment, I'm only saying that everyone has his own musical niche so to speak, and should stick to what he does best That then is the fork in the road. I know that such a thing would never happen (at least not in the form I suggested) with ABBA, but I don't think an idea of something like that necessarily silly or alienating. The Beatles had already pushed the boat out more than ABBA by the time they came to releasing Revolution 9 on the White Album, but it was still a completely left-field, unexpected and audacious move; miles away from what their "musical niche(s)" had ever been up to that point. |
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Post by Fafner on Apr 22, 2017 20:28:27 GMT
That then is the fork in the road. I know that such a thing would never happen (at least not in the form I suggested) with ABBA, but I don't think an idea of something like that necessarily silly or alienating. The Beatles had already pushed the boat out more than ABBA by the time they came to releasing Revolution 9 on the White Album, but it was still a completely left-field, unexpected and audacious move; miles away from what their "musical niche(s)" had ever been up to that point. I didn't say that the Beatles were an avantgarde band, I only said that it made some sense in the context of their time etc., something that would not in my opinion make much sense in Abba's context (as you said yourself, it's more about the gesture itself, rather than the content - and therefore such a thing can't have the same significance whoever does it irrespective of their period and context). |
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 22, 2017 20:32:41 GMT
Fafner and chron , it's kinda nice that you're expressing opinions on ABBA and its obsessed fans with musical taste varieties and the supposedly avant-garde nature, but this is getting way out of hand and extremely confusing.. when this topic's originally about the Record Store Day exclusive of the album 'Frida'.
Would you mind taking that conversation to another thread? I personally can't stand a discussion where the main point of the thread being excluded. (Yes, call me stubborn, or any of that, but I like it when the discussions are at least focusing on the main point of it, in many ways. To me, an offtopic post is a large nuisance, and it's a distraction.) I see a few threads and they stay mainly on-topic very well, but I create a thread and this one gets off-topic? That's absolutely unfair for me and everyone else – I was about to make a remark about 'what if you walked in someone else's shoes' (a metaphor) but I don't want to go derailing with that. It's appalling that I have to see the discussion in this become unrelated to what I originally posted. But then again, it is what it is...(Excuse my fussiness)
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Post by chron on Apr 22, 2017 21:19:08 GMT
I didn't say that the Beatles were an avantgarde band, I only said that it made some sense in the context of their time etc., something that would not in my opinion make much sense in Abba's context The Beatles basically made it make some sense by dint of simply doing it! They majorly helped to create the creative climate where such a thing was possible precisely by doing the unprecedented, by showing that commercial rock songs and a piece of avant-garde experimentation could co-exist on the same album! The Beatles were trend-setters; ABBA were trend-followers or trend-adaptors (very talented and skilful ones); which is possibly another way of saying what you're saying. Anyway, sorry Liebezeit. Enough thread derailing, back to: 'Frida' - The RSD Exclusive. |
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Apr 22, 2017 22:43:37 GMT
We may aswell have had it released like the Something's Going On boxset and Arrival was.
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 22, 2017 22:54:45 GMT
We may aswell have had it released like the Something's Going On boxset and Arrival was. Without a doubt.. I think so. Since when did Record Store Day exclude the United Kingdom from participating? Never. The UK probably has less stocks than my country has, sorry. 😂Now, thanks to eBay, the online ordering of Frida's solo album has become more difficult - but I do remember one of the music artists warned everyone not to buy the eBay listing that has an inflated price at around £400, calling it a scam.. eBay is a must avoid if you're considering buying it online  But I'll have to wait on ordering it online from somewhere that isn't eBay until tomorrow, for me, fortunately. Did you try to look for other participating independent record stores (distance doesn't matter) with online stores? That's probably as reliant as you can get, but you'd have to wait a week for that, due to the differing rules of RSD between USA and UK, I believe, unless RSD 2017 has adjusted their rules.. |
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Post by Liebezeit on Apr 23, 2017 13:05:51 GMT
So, due to the fact that my record store doesn't carry one, yesterday, I had to go to an indie record store's online store (Located and based in one of the biggest cities in the USA), and I ordered this album, today, no kidding. No, it's not eBay. You can message me for proof if you'd like. Whenever it's delivered, I'll be posting closeups of the record on the other thread about Frida's albums being reissued on vinyl. :-) |
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Post by Michal on Apr 23, 2017 14:51:27 GMT
I managed to order mine yesterday evening at Bengans. It was in stock so I hope it will arrive. I must have been one of the first people to order it because the announcement that RSD releases are available for online ordering came about 20 minutes later and it was a bit tricky to find the record on the web at the time. Today it's not in stock but they still have it listed with the "BUY" button active, which is kind of strange as they usually remove the items that are not available anymore. Maybe they have some remaining copies yet so give it a try.
By the way, I agree with Alan, that it's irritating you cannot reserve a copy beforehand. |
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Post by Michal on Apr 23, 2017 15:20:12 GMT
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And how much more experimental and eclectic could Kate Bush get? 
But I'll have to wait on ordering it online from somewhere that isn't eBay until tomorrow, for me, fortunately. Did you try to look for other participating independent record stores (distance doesn't matter) with online stores? That's probably as reliant as you can get, but you'd have to wait a week for that, due to the differing rules of RSD between USA and UK, I believe, unless RSD 2017 has adjusted their rules..
The problem are the people who buy things like the Frida LP with the sole purpose of re-selling it immediately...