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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 18:46:29 GMT
And Colin, do keep posting on chart and sales matters (I am quite geeky like that) - and post on other things too 😃 To be fair, he doesn’t post much anyway these days so his recent posts came as a bit of a surprise. We’d have been none the wiser if he hadn’t posted this info, and this number 48 placing would have been completely unexpected. As it stands, no one is really surprised after this chart manipulation.
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 18:18:24 GMT
Colin is correct, a number 60 doesn’t show. If you’re going to make a rule that they are two separate albums then at least have the courage of your convictions and show them as such. By not showing a number 60 and presumably hoping no one will notice starts to look like a conspiracy. Oh, Official Charts Company, just give up and put an end to this charade. Sales and charts are dead from the neck up.
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 18:03:18 GMT
Lots of people appear to be upset that they still haven't received their orders. Still not? I would have got mine on Monday but I wasn’t in, so I had it re-arranged for Tuesday. They emailed on the Wednesday or Thursday last week to say they wouldn’t be getting their supplies until the Friday so there would be a delay (this was the official store). It was the same with Voyage (different record company) so I’m starting to think you’re best off buying from a shop on the day of release. These days there’s little difference in price anyway. At least with Voyage they provided a free download, they didn’t with this. I sometimes think the charts should be stopped. Sales are so low generally anyway and when they do this kind of manipulation with it, it’s making a mockery of it. Of my three variants, two counted towards A+ and one to A. I got the double vinyl because it was clear and I hadn’t got any like that, whereas I had with white. It wasn’t really to get the original A again. I couldn’t really care less about charts but I do think sales should have been combined.
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 14:13:26 GMT
The packaging on the 2LP set refers to all the recordings being released exclusively under rights for BMG, though. Has Universal not relinquished all rights by now? Yes, I would completely agree with you there. I think Colin might be mistaken on that. The original album was merely licensed to Universal (and probably within the contract that it could be revoked at some point). Clearly the licence has been taken back and then the album leased to BMG with a similar agreement to what Universal had. The rights to the album are owned by “Tripple A HB”. I’m assuming Agnetha is one of the A’s. It’s commonplace now for albums to change hands, particularly if the record company never owned the full rights to them in the first place. ABBA own the rights to the Voyage album so could, if they wished, take the license from Polar/Universal at some point and take it elsewhere. The problem with this is that Polar would still fully own ABBA’s historic eight albums.
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 13:53:52 GMT
As these reissues rightfully use the Polar artwork, here’s a look at how some of these singles were represented elsewhere in the world… Firstly, UK. I’m incredibly biased here as this is how I always knew it. I don’t think I was aware of the international sleeve until the 1999 CD singles set. A suntanned ABBA, prior to Frida’s and Björn’s changes of hair (Björn to his face). It makes use of the two sides. Well, I like it anyway, and I wouldn’t have had it any other way. I make no apologies for that! This was the third time that CBS/Epic had deviated from official single artwork (after Angeleyes/Voulez-Vous and, less radically, I Have A Dream). ABBA may look crap but at least they’re all smiling (as they had on every CBS/Epic single in a picture sleeve so far). And they repeated it with Head Over Heels. Still separate photos, still Frida before her change of hair. Clearly severe nerves on the part of CBS as to how ABBA now looked, though Björn’s with beard and not smiling. Again, I like it. The official sleeve is such an awful photo with only Agnetha managing a non-committal smile. Where the UK and some other licensees do well is promotion of albums on the reverse side. The Polar sleeves tended to just repeat the front image. CBS and other companies made full use of them. Onto Australia, and the single that many think should be in these new issues after its inclusion in the 2014 box. The image is from a session done during the making of the video, with ABBA looking slightly more photogenic than they did at the time of One of Us. The US sleeve just used the album cover shot. A belated US release of One of Us. Album promotion on the reverse sleeve is one thing, but doing it on the front is taking things a bit far! West Germany. ABBA’s name and the titles are rendered in a similar way to the official sleeve, but the album photo is used instead of the painting. After apparent trepidation regarding The Visitors singles artwork in the UK, CBS went with the official artwork. Perhaps they were past caring by then? They did use the album cover photo for the picture disc though.
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 9:17:05 GMT
On the other hand… What does go in favour of that Japanese release is that it’s already both a coloured vinyl and a picture disc in one (though the red side isn’t genuine as it’s also a picture). They could re-release it separately without the Coca-Cola references (assuming Polar/Universal now own the rights to the artwork).
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 9:02:16 GMT
Not sure I agree with you there, HOMETIME. You’re right about the additional Voulez-Vous single, there was really no need for that when six official singles would make it the biggest issue of the eight albums anyway, but I can’t agree on Slipping Through My Fingers or the Spanish tracks. Prices have increased since 2019, so the fewer the better in my opinion! There is some justification for When All Is Said And Done, but I accept the apparently official explanation that it’s only Polar singles unless fewer than three were released. Also, Lay All Your Love On Me has been sufficiently elevated to major single status thanks to its inclusion on Gold, so it would have seemed unimaginable not to have it in the Super Trouper issues. The 2014 singles box did just include the five for The Visitors and beyond, so Slipping Through My Fingers (as a promotional single to advertise Coca-Cola of all things) has clearly been written out of official history. I wouldn’t have been happy with more than the five included, a bit too much paying out and too much milking the fans.
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 8:53:03 GMT
I saw that, joseph, on the socials. Not sure if she was still friends with him but coming so soon after her grandson’s death must be difficult.
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Post by Alan on Oct 19, 2023 19:25:45 GMT
Slipping Through My Fingers was never a viable option as it was only released in Japan and then as a one-sided picture disc. And even worse, it was released to advertise/promote Coca-Cola.
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Post by Alan on Oct 19, 2023 15:33:12 GMT
I went with the single CD (as I don’t need the original A again), the double “crystal clear” vinyl, the picture disc and the “free” CD single. Depends if you like clear or white vinyl (I don’t think there’s a standard black vinyl of this).
I have it say, it’s very well presented, the artwork is quite nice. And thankfully no damage - when I ordered the original “A” on vinyl ten years ago I had to send it back at least twice due to ripped-at-the-seams inner sleeves, a problem I also had with some of the Voyage variants. Perhaps BMG are better at this, I don’t know, but it was a relief when I opened them.
There is no plastic other than the discs themselves - the CD sleeves are all card.
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Post by Alan on Oct 19, 2023 11:59:44 GMT
Do you mean the UK sleeve? That was UK and Ireland only, so it’s unlikely we’ll ever see it again. The international sleeve was the alternate shot from the album cover session. I surmise that the UK record company were nervous about the sleeve (and that for Head Over Heels) as all previous UK singles in picture sleeves had a smiley ABBA on the front, so they wanted to keep that going for these two. I suspect Polar took note as The Day Before You Came had a smiling ABBA. West Germany changed the Under Attack sleeve to the album cover shot (again with a happy ABBA) so I’m surprised the UK didn’t do the same (though they did use it for the original picture disc).
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Post by Alan on Oct 18, 2023 21:42:48 GMT
It’s apparently been said elsewhere (and I don’t know how this is known) that the reason When All Is Said And Done is not included is because it wasn’t a Polar single and also wasn’t released in Europe.
Also, any albums with fewer than three Polar singles are padded out to make up the numbers, hence Lay All Your Love On Me’s inclusion in the Super Trouper releases (and also because it was released elsewhere in Europe, not just UK and Ireland).
Based on this, assuming it’s insider info, that would mean Waterloo will have three, including the Swedish version.
The 2014 singles box was sufficiently padded out in order to make up 40 singles, so will not all be produced in coloured vinyl or picture disc.
Super Trouper is the only album to have just two Polar singles, so it seems likely that LAYLOM will be the only one to be included in this series that originated from a licensee. As many others were included in the 2014 box, it’s not a problem licensing the artwork as Polar/Universal clearly now own alternate ABBA artwork from any of the former licensees.
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Post by Alan on Oct 18, 2023 18:39:44 GMT
Is A+ sold as a standalone album or as does it include A as well or both? There are five physical versions: Single CD with just A+ Single vinyl (white) with just A+ Single picture disc with just A+ (store exclusive but presumably counts for charts?) Double CD with both A and A+ Double vinyl (“crystal clear”) with both A and A+ Have the double ones been split in terms of sales in order to give separate chart positions? If so then surely that means A+ is losing out if only half a unit sale is counting? In terms of streaming or downloads, it’s possible that some people hearing the new album want to be reminded of the original versions, so are streaming/downloading them too?
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Post by Alan on Oct 18, 2023 17:21:09 GMT
With so few photos available from the album cover session, I wonder what will be used for the box lid. I can’t tell for definite, but the box lid photo looks to be an alternate shot of the One of Us single sleeve (with Benny standing and Björn sitting - the album sleeve has them the other way round). Comparing the single photo with the box, Björn’s hands appear to be in a different position and Benny seems to be looking more at the camera on the box than to the side, as is Agnetha. Frida doesn’t look any different. I’m only comparing the small images in my earlier posts though. Does that make it four images from this session that we’re aware of, or are there others? Björn standing, Benny seated: Original album cover 2001 CD artwork (also used on 2012 deluxe) Benny standing, Björn seated: One of Us single artwork (though not UK) This singles box The original album cover shot was apparently “lost”, hence why they had to use another for the 2001 CD. I find that hard to believe though, as vinyl issues since (especially the ones that are not direct scans) use the original. Either the photo was found or modern technology meant it wasn’t necessary to locate the negatives.
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Post by Alan on Oct 18, 2023 15:01:01 GMT
There is a singles box:
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Post by Alan on Oct 18, 2023 9:25:37 GMT
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Post by Alan on Oct 18, 2023 8:03:12 GMT
As expected (and I think, rumoured earlier this year), The Visitors half-speed vinyl and single picture discs are released before the end of the year. I haven seen details myself yet, but a friend has received an email.
Two curiosities:
When All Is Said And Done not included, so it’s just four singles - the main two from The Visitors plus the two late 1982 singles. Although WAISAD was not released by Polar originally, it was included in the 2014 singles box. And of course, Lay All Your Love On Me was included in the Super Trouper issues three years ago, even though that wasn’t a Polar single either.
No mention yet of a coloured vinyl singles boxed set. While prices for the Ring Ring one seem to keep going up, and all other albums so far have had such a box released, it would seem rather odd to stop now. [Edit: singles box now confirmed - see a later post].
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Post by Alan on Oct 14, 2023 8:54:04 GMT
There are some fans who are just sychophantic Well, yes, you’re definitely right there of course. And afraid to say anything remotely negative as, to them, it would be a betrayal. Anyway, at least Agnetha herself appears to be immune from media manipulation. That interview with The Guardian was incredibly open and honest. Kate Bush said in 1989, “A large part of this [show]business is so false, isn't it?” She wasn’t wrong. And it’s far worse now in that respect than it was then. Anyway, I’ve posted a fair bit on this so I should probably follow Agnetha’s example and stay quiet!
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2023 20:45:12 GMT
I think the PR must have made a comprehensive package of soundbite-style info available to all of their targets. Even the album review in Retropop reads like a press release - which puts it slightly at odds with the middling 3-star rating. This is why I dislike PR and much of the media these days. It’s difficult to know what’s real and what isn’t. I strongly suspect that much of the over-the-top positives on YouTube and the like are not real people like you or I but put there by the record company and her PR people. However, that would be the case generally and not just with Agnetha or this album so I’m certainly not singling her out. That does, of course, mean I’m assuming the negative stuff comes from genuine, real people as there’s no PR reason for planting such stuff. I don’t know if that’s necessarily the correct assumption either though!
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2023 18:27:56 GMT
Info shamelessly nicked from a post in the PopJustice topic on this album, but of some interest:
“Some info from the listening party in London, followed by q&a with Jörgen:
- Agnetha had the original idea of “what would this album sound like today?” and approached Jörgen about it.
- Jörgen then went into his studio and with a young engineer who deconstructed all the original tracks, and Jörgen re-worked them. He started “Back On Your Radio” first and sent it to Agnetha. She loved it and gave her go-ahead for the whole project.
- Agnetha approved all the re-workings and made suggestions, such as on “Bubble”, A said you could hear her too much (WHAT!?), so they added the sax.
- Agnetha was only in the studio to record her vocals for “Where Do We Go From Here?”, which she did in 1 very hot day in summer 2022.
- Jörgen described Agnetha as a total pro in the studio, always on time and always professional, with no drama. He said she does get very nervous and always says “I don’t know if I can do this?”, but then she tries and the ideas just come pouring out of her. Jörgen said he felt Agnetha deserved a writing credit on ABBA albums because of the work she does on the tracks.”
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2023 12:18:00 GMT
A+ is sold out at my recordstore already Which store is that? I ordered a bundle from the official store but I got an email the other day to say that supplies won’t be arriving at their facility until today, so my order is delayed. I half-expected this as similar happened with Voyage and seems to almost be the norm now. I went a bit overboard with purchases, with the clear vinyl, picture disc, single CD and the “free” CD single. At times I thought about cancelling but decided to stick with it.
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2023 11:02:36 GMT
The duet is an absolute mess. Past Forever is the very best song of the set - Carole Bayer Sager is a superb writer - but this version sounds like a cover version by an Erasure tribute band (I hope that makes sense). The duet is definitely the worst. As I said before, there seems to be more of him than her on it. There are fewer pop stars I hate more than I do him, and that colours my thinking, but the original was more sufferable and worked far better. On the subject of Erasure, I always thought the outro of the original When You Really Loved Someone sounded like something Erasure would have done in the 80s. At least that’s gone on the new version.
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2023 9:20:55 GMT
Dance Your Pain Away is about Agnetha telling her female who has just discovered her boyfriend in the restroom with another woman to forget all her worries and dance to get over him… Er… it’s actually about a man that’s been cheated on by his boyfriend. It’s not explicitly stated in the lyrics but all the clues are there. Not many women go into men’s toilets do they? Or vice-versa. Not sure what gender Agnetha’s character is meant to be but could be any. Jörgen did it deliberately to appeal to the gay audience, but it was a bit patronising/condescending (and applying several stereotypes in the process). I’m warming to this project a bit. Some versions I like more than others. Her vocals are intact (if processed) but some of the backing tracks seem very generic and doing their own thing at times. I’m seeing it now as simply an alternative way of hearing the songs. The originals are still there and, indeed, very much still part of this project as they’re included in physical releases of both vinyl and CD configurations. I guess it’s a case of, if you like the new versions then great, if you don’t, the old album remains. No harm done.
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2023 8:09:10 GMT
Thanks for that. That’s a really good interview. She seems to open up a bit. It’s interesting that she’s apparently writing songs (or bits of them) all the time, and that Elofsson wants to record an album of them with her. At the end though, she says A+ is “probably” her final album. It still amuses me that she has such a lack of confidence in speaking English. I’ve never read or heard a bad interview with her in that respect. Perhaps the odd word wrong but nothing of real importance. I suppose it reflects her generally. She definitely has the ability but not the confidence. And devoid of ego, which is still quite refreshing.
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Post by Alan on Oct 11, 2023 21:22:55 GMT
Someone sent me a link to where the info in Mark’s post came from: rector-hicksfuneralhome.com/tribute/details/1236/Jonathan-Casper/obituary.html#tribute-startI am surmising that they want to keep this a private family matter, as he actually died nearly four weeks ago. I’ve not seen this announced anywhere else in the ABBA online community and even Frida’s entry in Wikipedia makes no mention of it. As the link above appears to be legitimate, and the information is in the public domain, I am not going to delete the topic. However, I would suggest not mentioning it anywhere else online. I dare say most of the ABBA online community will be aware of it but might not welcome anyone actually saying it.
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Post by Alan on Oct 11, 2023 20:06:36 GMT
I really hope this isn’t true - I can’t find anything - but I suspect it might be. Horrible news if so.
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Post by Alan on Oct 7, 2023 19:27:17 GMT
I read on another forum today that the same applies to Slipping Through My Fingers - the Spanish vocals were recorded over the English ones. If three songs are known to be affected like this then there must be others. It’s no biggie really if the actual master tapes are intact.
A famous case of master tapes not being saved is Roy Wood and Wizzard’s 1973 hit “I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday”. Apparently, when it came to the 1981 re-issue, the master tapes could not be located or had been destroyed. They hastily re-recorded it exactly as the original version and it’s the re-recording that has been used ever since. Presumably the two are so similar that you’d really have to listen hard to determine the differences.
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Post by Alan on Oct 7, 2023 10:13:52 GMT
Someone’s already separated the vocals for the A+ version of I Should’ve Followed You Home:
Perfume In The Breeze:
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Post by Alan on Oct 6, 2023 17:43:49 GMT
Ouch, that “homeless” line must have passed me by completely, HOMETIME. I’m not sure what I thought she was singing but perhaps I was deliberately not hearing it. The full line is apparently “Left me seaside like a homeless”. What on earth does “seaside” mean in this context? My focus was generally on the “mongers” lyric prior to this but I’d now have to question if Jörgen’s English is as good as he thinks it is. Björn may have made some gaffes, but nothing as bad as that.
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Post by Alan on Oct 6, 2023 15:26:07 GMT
There is a great interview with Jorgen Elofsson in retropopmagazine. Agnetha was much more involved than we presume and very much in contact with the music of today. That’s interesting to hear. It certainly seems she trusts Jörgen.
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