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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 18:08:01 GMT
I thought it would be interesting to start a thread acknowledging which ABBA songs are contenders for " the weakest link " ? These are my worst offenders ( with little comments at the side ) In no particular order.
You Owe Me One ( the most cringeworthy ABBA track of them all )
King Kong Song ( terrible ) Rock Me ( a complete travesty ) Does Your Mother Know ( Kisses Of Fire should have been the A side and not this weak attempt )
Super Trouper ( I can't find anything appealing about this track. The more I hear it, the more I detest it. It may be melodic but that's about it. Not a classic at all ) Under Attack ( Unable to float my boat. Very unexciting )
Two For The Price Of One ( I can't connect with this one. The song's only saving grace is Agnetha and Frida's sublime joint backing vocals ) Should I Laugh Or Cry ( I find Frida's vocals too harsh and strident. However, the chorus is bearable ) Me And Bobby And Bobby's Brother ( very weak and dull ) I Saw It In The Mirror ( I can see why this track scores very low in many ABBA song polls ) Watch Out ( Not one of the band's finest moments ) Man In The Middle ( When I first heard this I covered my ears with shame. ABBA you can do so much better ! ) Tropical Loveland ( An uninspiring song ) Put On Your White Sombrero ( I have tried warming to this song but it leaves me cold ) Lovers ( Live A Little Longer ) ( Never appealed to me ) I'm A Marionette ( Over the top and too histrionic ) Get On The Carousel ( Very tiresome ) Just A Notion ( What a terrible ABBA letdown. Relieved it was shelved ) She's My Kind Of Girl ( Very poor ) Santa Rosa ( Dull and bland ) Rock 'n' Roll Band ( Disappointing ) Why Did It Have To Be Me ( I prefer Happy Hawaii instead )
Sitting In The Palmtree ( Shame on you, ABBA ! )
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Post by richard on Mar 24, 2021 18:50:53 GMT
For me, it's I Am Just A Girl - the title, for a start, is cringeworthy. It's the simpering vocals, too. Remember the film 'The Stepford Wives' ? - husbands who turn their wives into ultra-feminine, compliant, adoring robots. This song could have served as the darkly comic soundtrack to that film.
It's the chorus of Super Trouper that makes me like the song less than I used to, especially what I regard as the probably unintended smirk-making Su-papas. A lot that appeals me about the rest of the song, however. But I'll leave it at that because it's not what this thread is about. :-)
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Post by chron on Mar 24, 2021 19:02:18 GMT
Yeah, I Am Just A Girl barely feels like an ABBA song; the slippers-and-Horlicks style of it reminds me of the The Cliff Adams Singers (old farts from the UK will remember their parents or grandparents listening to this lot's Sing Something Simple radio show). You Owe Me One is, as Edmund suggests, the biggest abomination of their later years; ABBA at their most bombastic and snarky-sounding.
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Post by chron on Mar 24, 2021 19:18:02 GMT
I like Under Attack quite a bit, although it feels as though there's something 'missing' in it, somehow. It's sort of cold and distanced and perfunctory, which perhaps fits with the general feeling within the band regarding the 'grind' of creating new material when it was made, and maybe it's this that I like. I like artists who are able to create things out of defiance, when engagement and joie de vivre have gone AWOL.
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Post by gary on Mar 24, 2021 23:10:14 GMT
I Am Just A Girl and Two For The Price Of One are the only ABBA songs I actually dislike. I Am Just A Girl has atrocious lyrics and sounds like elevator music. But Two For The Price Of One is even more unforgivable because of when it occurs in ABBA’s career.
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Post by Alan on Mar 24, 2021 23:43:40 GMT
I’d include Åh, Vilka Tider. It tends to get forgotten about as it’s the only one they never recorded in English, but it is a bona-fide commercially-released ABBA song. I’d never actually heard it until 2006 but very quickly discovered I hadn’t missed anything.
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Post by tagaytay on Mar 25, 2021 5:22:37 GMT
some on your list are actually in my top 50% favorites, haha!
namely,
Super Trouper Should I Laugh Or Cry Me And Bobby And Bobby's Brother Tropical Loveland Lovers ( Live A Little Longer ) Get On The Carousel Sitting In The Palmtree
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 16:10:26 GMT
OH DEAR TAGAYTAY ! It boils down to personal taste and opinion at the end of the day. Thanks to everyone for your comments.
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Post by richard on Mar 26, 2021 14:06:49 GMT
I wonder, Edmund, if your likes and dislikes regarding ABBA songs have changed over time, or remained pretty consistent? Have you always had a low opinion of Super Trouper, to take just one example? I ask because, for me, there is sometimes chopping and changing as to which songs I like, or not, at different times, and not only ABBA's.
I'll mention another ABBA song which has never interested me: Santa Rosa. I think I read somewhere that it got placed 6th in a song contest. I'm surprised it got that high - unless there were only six songs in the contest!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 17:56:19 GMT
Good point, Richard. My choice of favourite ABBA songs has remained consistent. I never used to like Angeleyes that much but these days it is on my list. Regarding Super Trouper, I used to like it but not love it. Over the years I have grown to dislike it. I don't regard it as an ABBA classic. The same goes for Under Attack and Does Your Mother Know. There are a few that I am warming to notably So Long and Dum Dum Diddle. I never had a high opinion of either but I am thawing to both tracks. Santa Rosa doesn't float my boat and I am surprised that the song was selected. Suzy-Hang-Around and Crazy World are two that I dislike and forgot to place them on my list. Also, I have a love/hate relationship with Summer Night City. It is purely down to my personal taste. So maybe my tastes too have changed a little over the years.
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Post by richard on Mar 26, 2021 18:59:00 GMT
Thanks for the reply, Edmund. Very interesting. It's what I miss about the old forum: a real toing and froing of comments and ideas; a picking up on what has been said before. Conversation! Of course, one can't spend one's whole time discussing ABBA - or any other group's music for that matter - but it can be a bit perfunctory at times - a basic lack of engagement, imo Just thought I'd mention that. Hope I haven't spoken out of turn. I'll go quiet now. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 1:02:51 GMT
Not at all Richard. I agree with you about missing the old forum and lots of ideas and thoughts from fans. Sometimes I compare my favourite ABBA songs to a bag of pick' n'mix from good old Woolworths. I thought I'd inject a sense of humour to keep us going.
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Post by Alan on Mar 27, 2021 14:46:55 GMT
Santa Rosa doesn't float my boat and I am surprised that the song was selected. Suzy-Hang-Around and Crazy World are two that I dislike I don’t mind Santa Rosa in that it was a b-side. It’s an “extra” track as the alternative would have been an album track. Plus, in the UK it wasn’t released until the 1994 4-CD set. Prior to that it was one of those “mythical” songs I had heard the title of but never the actual song (the same applies to Merry-Go-Round and Åh, Vilka Tider, though the latter is even more rare). It’s not very good but I can just about forgive that! Suzy-Hang-Around I dislike because of the subject matter. They clearly want to ostracise poor Suzy and make her feel unwanted. It almost amounts to bullying. If there was a happy ending to it and the protagonists realised the error of their ways then it would be palatable, but they ignore her mum’s pleas and laugh it all off as though that’s OK. Horrible lyrics. However, it’s Benny’s only solo and musically I quite like it. Crazy World has the distinction of being ABBA’s first non-album b-side released internationally (and by internationally, I mean in most countries). Again it has value in that it’s an extra track that might not have escaped otherwise, but not one of their best! When you know the punchline after umpteen hearings, it becomes quite dull. I seem to remember I was one of the first to “come out” as not being a fan of Super Trouper (the song). In my case it spread to much of the rest of its album but I’ve since reconciled with most of it. It seems many more have since stated their lack of love for the title track and I’m not surprised!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 18:32:42 GMT
Alan, although I dislike Super Trouper, I love the rest of the album and it remains one of my favourite ABBA albums. Crazy World is a rather boring song which I don't care for and featuring the only Benny lead, Suzy-Hang-Around is a disappointing offering from ABBA. Thanks for your comments.
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Post by Michal on Mar 27, 2021 21:11:48 GMT
@edmfio76, the question is what exactly "the weakest" means. I can see that the titles you mention are actually songs you dislike but it doesn't automatically mean they're weak songs. There's no arguing that many of the early tracks are more or less weak, at least when you compare them to ABBA's later output, but I often realize I'm more forgiving towards them. So I don't mind the likes of King Kong Song or Sitting In The Palmtree and in fact I find them quite charming in a way. So the one track of ABBA's whole career that irritates me most of all is You Owe Me One, as I really don't understand 1) how they were able to produce this kind of song so late during their career and 2) how they could release this one and withhold I Am The City and Just Like That...
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Post by Alan on Mar 27, 2021 23:45:40 GMT
So the one track of ABBA's whole career that irritates me most of all is You Owe Me One, as I really don't understand 1) how they were able to produce this kind of song so late during their career and 2) how they could release this one and withhold I Am The City and Just Like That... Members of previous ABBA forums (Marnix and Waterloo, if anyone remembers them) would have it that I Am The City and Just Like That were being deliberately held back for a future ABBA studio album, perhaps for release in 1983 or 1984. I always took issue with that view. Firstly, two old songs might not necessarily have fitted in with anything they could come up with post-Chess. Secondly, an ABBA reunion in the 1980s seemed unlikely. If it was being touted at all, it was presumably a fallback in case things didn’t go well for them in their individual projects. Lastly, both those songs were recorded in the first batch of 1982 tracks. They deliberately went back to the studio to record three more songs that were suitable for single release, all of which made the cut. You Owe Me One surfaced from the first batch, but as it was most likely only ever destined to be a b-side (perhaps of the first single from a 1982 album, following the format of the previous three albums), it was used up accordingly. The fate of the two other tracks must have been uncertain right from the start. Ideally there would have been a third single released from the double-album, with both used up on it, but clearly neither track was considered good enough for an A-side (and neither was Cassandra).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 1:26:46 GMT
Michal, you have a point there. I consider the songs to be the weakest so maybe I am a little biased towards these tracks. However other fans like yourself may regard some of them as not necessarily weak. I'm glad that you agree with me about You Owe Me One as this song is very poor compared to ABBA's output so late in their career. Both Alan and yourself have surmised that I Am The City and Just Like That were shelved in favour of a very sub standard offering such as You Owe Me One. It was long after ABBA went their separate ways and stopped recording together as a group that I Am The City was released and included on More ABBA Gold in 1993. Unfortunately the same can't be said about Just Like That which didn't see the light of day. A shameful travesty ! I don't particularly like Gemini's version. I always thought of Cassandra as a potential A-side contender as Alan has already mentioned. Probably there so many gems hidden in the vaults that we will never hear.
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Post by chron on Mar 28, 2021 16:22:39 GMT
[T]he one track of ABBA's whole career that irritates me most of all is You Owe Me One, as I really don't understand 1) how they were able to produce this kind of song so late during their career and 2) how they could release this one and withhold I Am The City and Just Like That... I Am The City has stylistic/conceptual connections to You Owe Me One, having a somewhat similar - rather off-putting - supercilious vibe, although the result isn't half as bad (because more appropriate to the song's theme, and more smoothly integrated?). YOMO getting the nod might be a case of ABBA really trying to chime with the times (in this case, the narcissistic pop scene that came out of New Romanticism and the related nascent cocktails-and-power-suits stuff that early MTV would latch onto). They'd already shown with Voulez-Vous that they could quite abruptly have their heads turned by trending styles at the expense of resolutely developing and deepening what had become more-or-less their own thing. (ABBA were always broadly trend-followers rather than setters, it has to be conceded. It can be no coincidence that their strongest work, spanning the period from the eponymous '75 album through to ABBA The Album, occurred only once they'd thoroughly apprenticed themselves to the first styles that inspired them - folk, schlager, British Invasion pop, glam and singer-songwriter AOR - and created syntheses that were distinctively their own.)
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Post by chron on Mar 28, 2021 17:01:42 GMT
Suzy-Hang-Around I dislike because of the subject matter. They clearly want to ostracise poor Suzy and make her feel unwanted. It almost amounts to bullying. If there was a happy ending to it and the protagonists realised the error of their ways then it would be palatable, but they ignore her mum’s pleas and laugh it all off as though that’s OK. Horrible lyrics. However, it’s Benny’s only solo and musically I quite like it. Good point. I'd never considered the song from this angle, being a fan of Benny's singing and so being taken by the track purely on the basis that it's his only lead vocal of the 'proper' years, but you're right, at root it's mean-spirited. I suppose in its defence you could say they were being true to the sort of emotional callousness that kids can be possessed of before they've properly developed an ability to be empathetic or diplomatic, but the fact that the shunning of Suzy gets reiterated without relief makes it a bit ill-conceived.
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Post by Alan on Mar 28, 2021 17:17:39 GMT
Oh no, Edmund appears to have deleted his account. What’s happened?
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Post by chron on Mar 28, 2021 17:25:07 GMT
I hope it's not because we're sticking up for songs he'd listed as being among his 'weak' nominations? Edmund, if you're reading this, reconsider! As you've said yourself in the wake of past misinterpretations or instances of 'wires crossed', differences of opinion are a positive thing and are the life-blood of a place like this (see how activity has picked up here, now that we've been given - via your thread - the chance to engage in a bit of subjective back-and-forth?!)
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Post by chron on Mar 28, 2021 17:31:39 GMT
Going back through the thread, though, we haven't been especially doing that. Must be for another reason. Edit: Curious. His last post to date quotes one of his own posts from a couple of years ago from this thread, and is posted in that same thread.
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Post by Alan on Mar 28, 2021 18:05:35 GMT
I don’t think you can un-delete an account. Onlyabba4me started a new one, adding “again” at the end. A spur-of-the-moment decision unfortunately can’t be undone.
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Post by chron on Mar 28, 2021 18:07:33 GMT
Yeah, it's an irreversible action. I meant reconsider as in: create a new account.
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Post by Alan on Mar 28, 2021 18:15:44 GMT
Yeah, it's an irreversible action. I meant reconsider as in: create a new account. Yes, I understood what you meant. I was pointing it out in case Edmund would read it.
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Post by justabba on Mar 29, 2021 6:19:01 GMT
Why do people suddenly delete their account on here?
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Post by richard on Mar 29, 2021 12:02:22 GMT
Difficult to know what to say, really, other than I hope Edmund will want to join the forum again when ready. He has said he suffers from depression, so perhaps it has been related to that in some way: comments or views, perhaps, triggering something? Or maybe not. Who knows? At a very slow time for this forum, Edmund, you started a thread and in no time it got hundreds of views! Hope you find that, at least, encouraging. If the issue does happen to be others' views and opinions, I truly wish you the ability to just shrug them off if they don't gel with your own. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. Hope I'm not being presumptuous and that you find these comments helpful. Wishing you all the best.
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Post by jj on Mar 29, 2021 13:46:20 GMT
perhaps it has been related to [...] comments or views, perhaps, triggering something?
Personally, I could have been quite insulted to see two of my favourite songs amongst Edmund's list of "weakest songs", but I didn't take it personally and made no issue about it. On the other hand, I do remember well Edmund himself taking huge offense at criticism of "TWTIA" a while ago. I don't like such double standards and hypocrisy. I'm sorry, but such things must be noted.
If we don't want to risk hurting people's feelings, and some people here do seem to be terribly fragile and delicate, I think the solution is that everyone should stop expressing any personal views and thoughts on ABBA. If we manage to avoid criticism of any of ABBA's songs, albums, decisions, past appearances and future projects, peace and happiness will surely reign, and this will be a nice, non-confrontational forum.
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Post by chron on Mar 29, 2021 14:42:47 GMT
I could have been quite insulted to see two of my favourite songs amongst Edmund's list of "weakest songs", but I didn't take it personally and made no issue about it. I Am Just A Girl and She's My Kind Of Girl are both fearful, though, and no one here can begin to fathom why you champion these two inexcusable blots on the ABBA song book!
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Post by jj on Mar 29, 2021 15:10:17 GMT
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