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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 10:39:25 GMT
What's the most people would pay for a ticket?
My ticket cost £55. I got a good view. I have no intention of paying the £103 or £130 prices I am seeing.I can't see any £55 tickets until December. Might go again. I have never seen any of the £21.50 tickets.
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Post by Alan on Jul 5, 2023 11:53:36 GMT
That’s a good price, johnny. That’s the sort of price I’d be looking to pay as it’s only slightly more than I paid the first time (£44.20, including all the fees). I’m waiting for a setlist change. Everytime I look at prices they seem to be astronomic.
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Post by richard on Jul 5, 2023 12:34:51 GMT
About £55 would be my upper limit, too, if I decided to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 12:50:42 GMT
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Post by evilincarnate on Jul 6, 2023 10:01:36 GMT
I wonder if there might be future consideration given to pricing tickets in terms of 'demographic'?
For example:
White - Premium ticket at half price
Middle Aged Plus - 3% discount off retail price
Female - 150% mark-up on retail price
Male Couples/'Friends' - 2000% mark-up on retail price, with a complimentary caution/short-term incarceration
Groups of Lads - free and a complimentary slap on the back
I don't know if the above is "blunt" or just generally phobic? Who can say? Perhaps file it under 'observational with no offence intended' - yeah that's it. What a top bloke I am.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 19:31:35 GMT
I am not sure where to file Evilincarnate's post under...
Is it "not as funny as you think you are" or "how to make yourself look nasty" ? 🤔
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Post by richard on Jul 8, 2023 16:45:18 GMT
I'm sure many who who have been to see the Voyage show and have been enthusiastic about it - and I've been interested to read their reviews - would say I'm missing out big-time by not going. But, as Alan points out in another thread, it's not the real thing and, for me, the more I think about it, forking out over £100 for a ticket (plus extra, associated expenses) for essentially a pretend concert performed by a phony ABBA doesn't appeal to me as much as I hoped it would. That said, I might still go: booking well in advance for a cheap/er ticket. By the way, it strikes me as an amusing irony that the real ABBA were, I've read, not that keen on giving live concerts during their younger, hit-making heyday, yet modern technology will, perhaps, make them loads of money with these fantasy 'live' concerts staged every night! (Surprised to find that Johnny is now 'Deleted')
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 8, 2023 16:54:24 GMT
In the longer term - assuming the show continues to sell - I wonder how AI might augment things and make running the show, adjusting the setlist, changing costumes and even hairstyles easier and cheaper? It'd be interesting if things got to the point where the punter could select from, say, three different shows. What I mean is a scenario where there were three different shows running each week, each with a different setlist. There'd be big-hit overlap, of course, but imagine being able to choose tickets for Show 1 that is the current setlist; or book on Tuesday or Thursday, when you'd get Setlist 2, half of which would be different from Setlist 1; and then maybe a third setlist of hits and different deeper cuts? Maybe even runs of shows devoted to individual albums, topped up with a core of beloved No.1s.
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Post by Melinda on Jul 8, 2023 17:09:02 GMT
The selling point of the shows to some extent is that Abba actually performed the show in those bubble suits. Bjorn said ‘this is Abba’.
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Post by Alan on Jul 8, 2023 17:35:27 GMT
The selling point of the shows to some extent is that Abba actually performed the show in those bubble suits. Bjorn said ‘this is Abba’. I had to Google “bubble suits” to see what you meant, but I’m still none the wiser… For me the Tron outfits are the highlight. They were so closely associated with the Voyage album (we saw them even before the live broadcast on 2 September 2021) that for me this was old meets new. Now and then combined, and they won’t be the same.
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Post by Jacky on Jul 8, 2023 19:03:10 GMT
I agree that the £100 plus price for a ticket is really expensive. People have travel costs. Maybe hotel costs. The venue isn't cheap. A warm hot dog and warm pint will set you back almost £20.
A quarter of the songs aren't even ABBAtars. Two are animations, one is a video, one a live band (in the case of Thankyou for the Music technically ABBAtars but not clear ABBAtars).
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Post by Melinda on Jul 8, 2023 19:40:53 GMT
The selling point of the shows to some extent is that Abba actually performed the show in those bubble suits. Bjorn said ‘this is Abba’. I had to Google “bubble suits” to see what you meant, but I’m still none the wiser… For me the Tron outfits are the highlight. They were so closely associated with the Voyage album (we saw them even before the live broadcast on 2 September 2021) that for me this was old meets new. Now and then combined, and they won’t be the same. The ABBA band members wore motion-capture suits as part of the development process and were filmed as they performed a 22-song set over the course of five weeks.
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Post by Alan on Jul 8, 2023 19:46:12 GMT
The ABBA band members wore motion-capture suits as part of the development process and were filmed as they performed a 22-song set over the course of five weeks. Oh, sorry, yes. Quite brave of ABBA to be photographed wearing those. I think that was only the second photo we’d seen of all four of them since 1986, so a full 35 years. I’m glad there were photos of them in more regular clothes after that.
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Post by evilincarnate on Jul 9, 2023 3:47:00 GMT
The ABBA band members wore motion-capture suits as part of the development process and were filmed as they performed a 22-song set over the course of five weeks. Oh, sorry, yes. Quite brave of ABBA to be photographed wearing those. I think that was only the second photo we’d seen of all four of them since 1986, so a full 35 years. I’m glad there were photos of them in more regular clothes after that. I won't repost the photos but thanks for those Alan. We've probably all seen them before but they're a lovely reminder of the last couple of years. Whilst I realise the motion-capture photo isn't necessarily flattering, I still love it and think the ladies in particular look great. (I wish it had been used as an inner sleeve for the 'Voyage' vinyl release.) I hope that if there is eventually a 'Voyage' making-of style documentary, we see more of the motion capture sessions, without the quick cutaways. I'd also be fascinated to learn whether they actually sang along to the tracks or just mimed and approximated the dance routines/movements as best they could? I remember references to them 'performing' during the 5 week sessions in early 2020 but wonder what constitutes 'performance' in this case? If indeed they did record new vocals, it would be great to hear some of these, even if they were a little rough.
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Post by Alex on Jul 9, 2023 7:12:56 GMT
I have been reading about the animees lately. What is the rationale for having them in the show? I had thought the Abbatars needed to "cool down" so perhaps they needed something else. But I learnt the other day (I think on this forum) that they don't. Nobody seems to have a good word about them.
Hey Evilincarnate, you just posted your last reply which was to a post just before yours by quoting. Why?
Do you just like posting long posts?
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 9, 2023 10:33:18 GMT
[...] your last reply which was to a post just before yours by quoting. Why? Do you just like posting long posts? Hey "Alex", if you have an issue with long posts, you'd better buckle up - I have a habit of posting long-winded diatribes that'd make War And Peace look like a pamphlet! I make no apologies for that. Quoting posts is a good way of making sure there's no ambiguity in the answer. As you're a "guest," you might not be familiar with occasional misunderstandings that can happen. Not only that, in the past, I've even had posts of mine deliberately misinterpreted for the purposes of sh1t-stirring, so I know how useful it can be to quote. It didn't happen too often, thankfully, but quoting can help take the big spoon out of the hands of those with a suspicious agenda. If you haven't already registered under another name, you should sign up and get stuck into the broader conversation. We'll all get the measure of each other quickly and easily. The more the merrier. It seems the animated videos are a deliberate part of the show's design, and apparently they're aimed at younger audience members. All along, we had been under the impression that the servers driving the ABBAtars needed occasional breaks, so that they wouldn't overheat. But Svana Gisla, one of the Voyage bigwigs, has recently confirmed that no such breaks were needed. Maybe they'll keep an eye on fans' responses and consider whether those videos are such a great idea after all. They haven't been universally loved.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 9, 2023 10:38:29 GMT
[...] your last reply which was to a post just before yours by quoting. Why? Do you just like posting long posts? Hey "Alex", if you have an issue with long posts, you'd better buckle up - I have a habit of posting long-winded diatribes that'd make War And Peace look like a pamphlet! I make no apologies for that. See?
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Post by Alan on Jul 9, 2023 11:36:29 GMT
Yes, there are certainly no issues with quoting. It’s not like we’re going to run out of space, and no one is forced to read the quoted part again. Plus not everyone reads all posts, so the quote might be the first time they’ve seen it.
In fact, quoting can help avoid misunderstandings. Once or twice, someone said that “no one said that” when actually someone had, and they merely hadn’t read the post someone else was referring to.
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Post by Stefan Palm on Jul 12, 2023 7:35:26 GMT
Hi I am finally going to London and will se the show on monday evening.
I have bought tickets to the dance floor wich also were the cheapast tickets.
Do you have any tips to have a good experiance watching the show on the dance floor?
And also to enjoy things before or after the show?
I saw ABBA live in Stockholm 1979 so for me the most exciting will be the songs that wasnt on that show and that I allways have wanted to see performed live by abba even if this is not the same as a live concert.
Really looking forward to se TV, LAYLOM, WAISAD, ISHFIY and TWTIA.
Please give me some tips to fully enjoy this experiance!
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Post by King Carl XVI Gustaf on Jul 12, 2023 9:41:12 GMT
Hello Subject!
Before the show you might like to pop into the bar next door. They sell drink and food. Plenty of seating inside and outside.
Food and drink available in the foyer of the venue but pretty pricy even for a Monarch! Lol!
Arena opens at least hour before show but not full up until last 5 or 10 minutes.
On the Dancefloor try not to bw too close to the front, you'll want a morw panoramic view. Dancing floor 8a pretty packed so hope you are sociable!
Silvia and I had a great time. She is the original Dancing Queen....lol!
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Post by Stefan on Jul 12, 2023 9:54:24 GMT
Hi Carl my name is Stefan by the way and I guess we are both swedes:). So being in the back on the dance floor is not a bad thing. You still have a good view? I'm not that short by the way 1.80 m. The bar you are talking about, do you know the name or is it easy to find?
What was your biggest moments in the show?
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Post by BAAB on Jul 12, 2023 18:42:15 GMT
Hej Stefan,
you cannot really miss the bar, because there is nothing else around...
I think the Dancefloor elevates a little bit, I'm also 180 cm in height and stood in the distant quarter and Had a great view. But as HRH stated, it is really crowded.
Have a wonderful evening!
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Post by Stefan on Jul 25, 2023 9:31:57 GMT
Finally went to see the show last monday. I already had high expectations and tried not to expact to much but what a great experiance it was. First of all we met som many people from Mexico, spain, Italy, Germany, other swedes and of course a lot of brits. Also we met young people, older people and grown ups with their parents. Strangely we didnt meet or see that many gay people. We were on the dancefloor and furthere back on the left side facing the scene. That gave us a great look.
I knew the beginning was spectatulor and i love how the instrumental transmitted into The visitors and how they appeared on stage. I really hope they keep this in the show and i just realize that this song is so good and should have been a single. People were very excited from the beginning but i guess knowing me knowing you got people dancing and I, like many others, where supriced at how well Chiquitita was recived. People were singing along and waving hands. Also i think the beginning of LAYLOM was great, like a huge anthem. I dont mind the songs without the ABBA tars. And i love Eagle and hope it stays in the show. I also was surprised that DSMD didnt really hit me as it do on record. ISHFIY though was better recived and fits in the show but I would have prefered not to have the too know songs linked in the show. I was a bit suprised by WAISAD, it is one of my favourite songs and I was so eager to hear the knew version. And i want it to stay in the show but its to sad that people seems not to know it. I guess they should add or more songs with Frida since she only have 5 solos in the show. I usually dont like TYFTM but this version with Benny on accordian felt different and more like a combination of TWOFD and TYFTM. It also was fantastic when people started singing the first verse of TWTIA. And i liked that it was other vocals by Agnetha than on the record.
I would need to see the show again to pay more interest to the voices.
I was happy with the band and backing vocals.
I saw ABBA live 1979 in Stockholm and was then dissapointed with the live band and back up singers and today the quality i so much better. Maybe also because of the new technic. I wonder how much from Benny and Bjorn there is on backing instruments?
Let me know if you have experances from the show or if you agree or disagree with me:)
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Post by Joe on Jul 27, 2023 2:01:46 GMT
Hi Stefan and Lycka. I have seen the show too. I liked the dramatic opening with The Visitors and all the popular tunes especially SOS, KNME, LAYLOM and SNC. I Perhaps that last one not so well known but it was great in the Tron suits. I didn't have the positive reaction to Chiquitita on my score card. Great ending too with DQ and TWTIA.
On the downside the show did lag a bit after a while. They could have got away with one cartoon but not two. It was a bit flat with WAISAD and DSMD. I like these songs but maybe they are not concert songs.
It could have done with TACOM.and perhaps Super Trouper or MMMM to give an adrenaline boost three quarters of the way through.
The crowd was well behaved inside although I had a nasty experience with some American visitors outside at the end.
Overall enjoyable show. There could be improvements though.
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Post by Joe on Jul 27, 2023 2:48:23 GMT
^KMKY
It was late when I posted.
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Post by Stefan on Jul 28, 2023 10:26:14 GMT
Thanks for your answers. I am still very happy with the show as it is. When people sang the intro lines to TWTIA i didnt think they destroyed it. It just showed that it evoke feelings among the audiance. Just like a confirmation. A bit like in the old days when people sang along to Fernando. And it was only the first line. With WAISAD i never heard that its one of Fridas favourites but i heard Benny saying about it in the show that Fridas was is fantastic. I felt like it sounded a bit processed and would have preferred a slower version with only her and piano. But still its one of my Frida favs and hope it stays in the show. But i do think its bad to have 3 not so known songs in a row WAISAD, DSMD and ISHFIY. I'm diversed to have Fernando and Chiquitita put together since they remind of each other and that makes Fernando stand out like it did 1977 and 1979. The same with 3 disco songs in a row. I wouldnt miss SNC. The songs I miss is MMM since Frida usually made a great live perfomance of it. It could fit together with TYFTM as the more cabaret style ABBA. I also miss TNOTG. One of their greatest songs but not very populare it seams. Super Trouper would be great to put in the show if they need more hits. Take a chance on me would be perfect to put in instead of HIYS. With its a cappella start. With ST and MMM it would also even out the solos between F and A.
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Post by johnny on Jul 28, 2023 10:46:28 GMT
Hi Stefan
I enjoyed the show too but would tweak it as well.
It certainly needs Take a Chance On Me and either Money Money Money or Super Trouper.
I thought the 3 disco songs in a row worked well. SNC was very good. To me GGG was the weakest but I would keep them all in and all together. This section was one of the highlights.
I agree that having three unknown songs (for casual fans) ie WAISAD, DSMD and ISHFIY should not all together. The first two have very lacklustre ABBAtar performances. I like those songs but they don't work in the concert. ISHFIY comes out the best by far in that trio.
I would happily ditch WAISAD and both cartoons (Eagle and Voulez Vous). I can't see how you could possibly remove DSMD, it being a new song.
That still leaves The Visitors, Hole in Your Soul and both Voyage album songs as lesser known songs. Probably count SNC as a lesser known song too.
Maybe only lose 1 cartoon (I would keep Eagle and let VV go). In that case have MMM AND ST. TACOM, in. WAISAD, out.
Two "unknown" songs (DSMD/ISHFIY) or two ballads or similarish (Fernando/Chiquitita) can work together - but not three.
Uptempo/Poppy/Disco can easily have three in a row.
TNOTG is a great song (in my ABBA Top 5) but as you say Stefan, not so popular these days and it wouldn't fit in. A bit like The Day Before You Came which is very popular amongst core fans but not the wider public. That would seem out of place too. WAISAD falls into that mould, I am afraid.
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Post by johnny on Jul 28, 2023 17:03:28 GMT
Lyvka, well we're agreed DSMD is a dull pe4formance and Eagle should be an Abbatar.
WAISAD performance is not great and.those images halfway through the dance section don't help.
The reality is people won't swot up on songs they don't know before the show - and why should they?
There's four songs in a row VV (cartoon), WAISAD, DSMD, ISHFIY that are neither ABBAtars (VV) or well known.
At the very least have a break between VV/WAISAD and the Voyage songs with TACOM and ST or MMM to break it up for the casual fans.
Some hardcore fans are so uncomprosing - and this includes fans who haven"t actually seen the show or no plans of going back.
Seriously, without taking songs out (inc the Cartoons which are weird) what the Hell is wrong with adding a copule of well known songs that break up the "lagging" four song section?
The lagging section is the drawback. Either take songs out - or add songs in halfway to break it up.
It's a live show with members of the public not a DVD. I am Johnny
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Post by Alan on Jul 28, 2023 19:53:27 GMT
Welcome back, johnny. I’m guessing you put this in order to get a reaction, so I won’t disappoint you: “The reality is people won't swot up on songs they don't know before the show - and why should they?” Er… why on earth not? Any song by any act is nothing but a touch of a phone away. 30 years ago, yes, it took some commitment. You would need to find out what album it was on and then buy it. But now? YouTube anyone? How easy does it need to be? How brain dead do you think people are? As I’ve previously said, no sympathy whatsoever for anyone that has an internet connection. Those that haven’t, OK, but don’t assume that the “I love ABBA” brigade (translated as “I own/stream Gold and nothing else”) are not capable of hearing these songs for themselves. No artistic act should ever just be catering only for the masses. And certainly not in this day and age when there’s absolutely no excuse to.
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Post by Barbie on Jul 28, 2023 22:23:15 GMT
The only major shock for me was the inclusion of Hole in your Soul, as it was never a single anywhere in the world. And when you open with a less well known single (TV), it would make sense for the 2nd to be a well known hit, which should have been TACOM imo.
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