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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 28, 2022 14:36:14 GMT
In a (possibly fruitless) bid to break threads up a bit, I thought I'd post this show-related material here. Who knows: in time, this might even become a thread to discuss the live experience?? Anyhoo... I have shamelessly swiped these items from the Voyage page on Facebook. If you are the person who originally posted them, thank you and all credit to you. There's an article on the show in a magazine called ES (??), with a new ABBAtars image on the cover. I love how it harks back to the image used on the international sleeve for Angeleyes/Voulez-Vous. The trimming of the image around Agnetha's hair is slightly unfortunate - as is her slightly anguished expression - but she is absolutely Agnetha. Frida looks amazing. Soo too does Benny - the other images use a slicked-back hairstyle, which was disconcerting. With his floppy fringe restored, he looks very realistic. As for Bjorn... Well, three out of four ain't bad.
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Post by Alan on Apr 29, 2022 12:28:30 GMT
^^ Someone on PopJustice said it makes Björn look a bit like a Neanderthal! I disagree on Agnetha. As you say, hair and expression aren’t right but aside from the main ABBA Tar photos (the alternate album cover), I’ve yet to see Agnetha look acceptably accurate. She looks like a waxwork likeness at best. Someone on YouTube did a deepfake version of her. It looked very different (though not entirely in a good way). Benny and Frida look much better as ABBATars. Björn and Agnetha need their money back! Another costume revealed… and another bad likeness of Agnetha.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2022 8:33:06 GMT
How come there are no live reviews of the ABBA 2022 concerts?
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Post by Alan on Apr 30, 2022 10:41:56 GMT
How come there are no live reviews of the ABBA 2022 concerts? Er… because they haven’t happened yet and no one outside the inner circle has seen them. |
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Post by tagaytay on Apr 30, 2022 10:47:11 GMT
i guess that's the problem with pretty. very difficult to reproduce.
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 30, 2022 12:00:46 GMT
That dress is not very ABBAish. Is the clunky belt supposed to make it a hybrid of the Super Trouper and Voulez-Vous styles? I take it people have seen the "Dream Setlist Generator" on the ABBA Voyage website? It's fun. Those with patience and a flair for sequencing a concert in a way that builds tension and energy could spend a bit of time pondering the running order. Although the setlist for the first tranche of shows is probably cast in stone, it made me wonder if this game was some kind of research for future revisions (or maybe to set their minds at ease about the selection for opening night). umusic.glitch.ge/abbaMy quick attempt:  |
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Post by joseph on Apr 30, 2022 12:02:35 GMT
Just IMAGINE what it will be like for Agnetha, Björn, Benny and Frida to actually go to an ABBA(tar) concert (assuming they will all do so)?
Mind-blowing.
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Post by Alan on Apr 30, 2022 12:24:21 GMT
 My attempt. Quite conservative but I didn’t want to leave out too many big hits. Actually quite difficult to keep it to 20. It’s based on what we know is in it (though I’ve left out the rumoured The King Has Lost His Crown and Under Attack), the expected hits, plus two personal choices that I don’t expect to be present (Angeleyes and I Let The Music Speak). Eagle only gave the short version as an option but I’d have gone for the full-length one. I hope they keep the full closing instrumental intact - that’s the best bit about the track for me. |
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Post by joseph on Apr 30, 2022 12:36:54 GMT
I did mine but didn't realise you could do it in order of preference so it's all over the place. I'll do it again but will need more time. I left out some tracks I really want there! True for all of us, I guess.  |
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Post by Alan on Apr 30, 2022 12:42:13 GMT
I did mine but didn't realise you could do it in order of preference so it's all over the place. Yes, I didn’t realise that either until you said. They do it in the order that you check the boxes. I assumed they generated it so that it gave some sort of “flow” but apparently not. |
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Post by Liebezeit on May 1, 2022 3:38:05 GMT
 Also a quick one too - a setlist with a thought of / assumption that the ABBA Voyage band taking creative liberties (e.g. Nils Landgren, Mike Oldfield) to rearrange it. Plus add Philip Glass as walk-in music and have Benny Andersson / ABBA's surrogate keyboardist do cool synth stuff to overpower minimalist music and thrill the fans into having a good time once there's enough people / the clock strikes |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 14:07:59 GMT
Alan, you deserve a gold medal for all your hard work in re-vamping the forum into shape. A brilliant job!
My concert set song list would be like this,
Summer Night City
The Visitors ( Crackin' Up )
Lay All Your Love On Me
Eagle
SOS
Voulez-Vous
The Name Of The Game
Mamma Mia
Chiquitita
Fernando
Just A Notion
Gimme Gimme Gimme ( A Man After Midnight )
Knowing Me Knowing You
The Winner Takes It All
I Still Have Faith In You
Don't Shut Me Down
The Way Old Friends Do
Thank You For The Music
Dancing Queen
Waterloo
There is always one who uses the old fashioned method ! Never mind I can't help becoming older I'm afraid and I am no computer geek either.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 16:07:38 GMT
My Set List
Summer Night City - long version
Don't Shut me Down
Lay All Your Love On Me
Mamma Mia
My Mama Said
Knowing Me Knowing You
Eagle - short version
Kisses of Fire
As Good as New
Take a Chance On Me
SOS
Money Money Money
Chiquitita
The Visitors
Gimme Gimme Gimme
Ring Ring
No Doubt About It
I Still Have Faith in You
Waterloo
Dancing Queen
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Post by ABBA fan on May 1, 2022 23:33:00 GMT
So I have two spare tickets for the 3rd July concert, section BL E row C at 3pm (which I am also going to) and now have no-one to go with (hence the spare tickets...). It would be great to meet anyone else who might be going that night or who might want to buy my spare tickets! (I am selling them for the face value). I don't know many other people who like ABBA so no-one else I know wants to go - hopefully people on here might be more interested!
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Post by Alan on May 2, 2022 9:03:21 GMT
If the show is 100 minutes long, that should be enough to include all 22 songs? I hope so.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 11:34:14 GMT
My ideas on set list
1. Start with dramatic track. My choice is the extended and different version of SNC
2. Don't Shut Me Down should be next with its references to 'appear now'
3. Then on to uptempo 'banger tunes' such as Mamma Mia, Take a Chance on Me, Gimme Gimme Gimme
4. The middle part of the show is where is lags a bit in tempo with ballads, mid tempo and lesser known uptempo songs eg Chiquitita, Knowing Me Knowing You, kisses of Fire
5. The final songs need a I Still Have Faith in You or Thankyou for the Music type of song before ending with a couple of more uptempo bangers - one of which has to be Waterloo, the song where it all started.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 2, 2022 12:39:10 GMT
For some reason I have the niggling feeling that they'll possibly open with I Still Have Faith In You. A lot of scene-setting and flashbacks in the light show and then, when they hit the second chorus, the ABBAtars will be performing, front and centre, in a surge of light, possibly ushered in with some kind of swooshing sound effect. In many ways reflecting the structure of the video: reminding people who ABBA were and are. Then it's probably BAM! into something high octane like Lay All Your Love On Me or Voulez-Vous or Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!
As great as Eagle is, I have my concerns about its impact on the energy of the show. On the Live album, things seems to sag at that point (hitching it to The Name Of The Game as a medley seems to rob the latter of its essential slinkiness). Let's hope it's not some over indulgent widdlywiddly proggy guitar workout. I think Don't Shut Me Down will usher in the final surge to a finale - the first of a run of, say, five uptempo bangers. TYFTM as the inevitable curtain-claoser and/or encore.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 15:05:43 GMT
Interesting comments about Shut and Faith.
I see Don't Shut Me Down as asking for approval/acceptance so near the beginning.
I Still Have Faith in You, witu line 'do I have it in me' with answer is yes and at the end.
But equally, Faith could be like the video and indeed at the start.
I was at a gig on Friday and all the best known songs, which were uptempo were front loaded and played within first 7 or 8 songs. The two new, uptempo songs were at begining too.
Then the energy just dipped too much. I think there will have to be bangers at the start and at the end - though the first snd last songs themselves may not be in that category.
Eagle - I agree. Love the song but could be over-indulgent. For a concert you really do need the vast majority to be uptempo. Slow songs are fine at home in your armchair drinking a beer but not really at a concert.
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Post by joseph on May 2, 2022 17:02:14 GMT
Do fans still think the avatars don't resemble ABBA? I see some fans being really quite negative, rude and derisory. I think they're really very good from what I've seen and refrain from judging this early. I mean, look at Agnetha and Frida here. Amazing likeness.   |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 17:11:05 GMT
Joseph, I agree the likeness is incredible. I do like your dream concert set song list.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on May 2, 2022 17:16:18 GMT
Another thing to factor in is that the vast majority of people aren't going to be seeing them that close up anyway - it'll be from a distance and moving rather than close-up still image. That can make all the difference.
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Post by Alan on May 2, 2022 17:44:24 GMT
Do fans still think the avatars don't resemble ABBA? I see some fans being really quite negative, rude and derisory. I think they're really very good from what I've seen and refrain from judging this early. I mean, look at Agnetha and Frida here. Amazing likeness. They look OK there but I’ve seen others where I don’t think Agnetha looks quite right. Even in this one, I sense that the face is older than the hairstyle (so perhaps 1980 or 1981 face but with 1977 hair). I’m not sure. Frida looks pretty good in all images, as does Benny. Björn isn’t quite right in some either. Are others saying this as well then? I wondered if by “some fans” you just meant me?! |
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Post by joseph on May 2, 2022 18:38:32 GMT
No, I don't recall having seen anything you've posted regarding how the avatars look (apart from this post). I was thinking of elsewhere on the www. One bloke saying Agnetha's avatar looked 'terrible'. It's quite shocking really. I'm beginning to think they're less ABBA fans and more just basic trolls.
One observation, perhaps a tad critical.. Agnetha's hair is a little straighter here than I'd choose. A little bit of kink or wave would be more how I recall it. Her expression reminds me of the Chiquitita video and also SOS. I think what fans need to keep in mind is that the avatars will be composites- a mixture of looks/expressions. The essence of the group. And regarding dance moves...well, Frida DID cavort quite balletically at times and although Agnetha wasn't a trained dancer by any means, she could and did dance- in her own way. I think fans have forgotten that. Just tune into ABBA in Concert and it's plain to see. They weren't twerking every five minutes but they had their moments. It's clear the hairstyles are more from 1977 than 1979 but it's likely they realised fans would associate the ladies more with the longer hairstyles. I'm relieved about that as the mumsy, 'set' styles they sported in 1979 weren't as iconic. But I'm sounding as nitpicky as those fans I mentioned.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 3, 2022 8:26:40 GMT
Those New 4 close up Abbatar' images are impressive, especially of Frida! Her hairstyle is spot on, for Circa 77 my fav Period. Agnetha's image suffers from her hair looking a little lifeless and flat, and Benny's face features a little, best one l have seen of Bjorn's so far, and l love the metallic like outfits close ups too.
Pondering on the Set list' l am thinking The ,'Vistors' Song Could open the Show, with its Space like intro build up, combined with the Lyrics, and Title, The Tron Style' Outfits, they arrive in a space Vehicle, with Abba Logo Pulsating from it, The ABBA Voyage' Arena lends it's self to a Space Ship, viewed from above.
Anyway, l feel the buzz of excitement building now, For Abba and Their New Future Selves The Abbatar's Visual and Audio Spectacle! pushing boundaries, becoming Pioneer's Once more!
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Post by JeniLP on May 3, 2022 14:05:08 GMT
My attempt. I know Swedish version of SOS has never been ABBA formally, but I fell sorry for it all the same   |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 15:14:29 GMT
Joseph/Eddie
The avatars of Frida/Agnetha look realistic. But let's be honest, they made Bjorn/Benny better looking.
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Post by Alan on May 3, 2022 16:04:33 GMT
I think I must have missed something here, but someone’s mentioned on PopJustice that Ludvig has confirmed they did more than 22 songs, so can change it around in future. I know others on here have suggested that, but I thought it was just speculation.
Slightly disappointed, I don’t really want to miss a song being performed at a later date! I don’t plan to go more than once.
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Post by Michal on May 3, 2022 16:39:28 GMT
Alan , I guess that's the whole point - to make the concerts attractive enough for people to go and see it more than once. Otherwise what are the chances it will run long enough? Actually I wonder how much variety the technology allows. Will it be possible to change costumes or choreography? Or will every concert look exactly the same, so that you will be able to tell what every ABBAtar will do at every second of the show?
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Post by HOMETIME on May 3, 2022 17:00:59 GMT
I've had a go at putting together a setlist in what feels like a plausible running order. I'm glad that they had the foresight to record more than the 100-minutes' worth for one show. There might be a song or two that doesn't gel with the audience and it would make sense to revamp the setlist to remove those songs and slot in something else. I like the silvery costumes in the headshot pictures. Am I right in thinking that not all the clothes are D&G, that other designers are on board too? I wonder how many costume changes the ABBAtars will go through in any given show.  |
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Post by abbafanie on May 3, 2022 18:04:20 GMT
I've had a go at putting together a setlist in what feels like a plausible running order. I'm glad that they had the foresight to record more than the 100-minutes' worth for one show. There might be a song or two that doesn't gel with the audience and it would make sense to revamp the setlist to remove those songs and slot in something else. I like the silvery costumes in the headshot pictures. Am I right in thinking that not all the clothes are D&G, that other designers are on board too? I wonder how many costume changes the ABBAtars will go through in any given show.
Yes, I believe the silver costumes and the Tron-like futuristic suits are designed by B. Akerlund (who is married to Jonas Akerlund, who did the ABBAWORLD/Museum intro video!), while the newest outfits shown this weekend are D&G. Not sure who designed the other set of outfits we've seen so far (Agnetha in blue, Frida in red, and the boys in suits) - so that makes 4 sets of outfits that we know about so far. |
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