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Post by Alan on May 3, 2022 21:58:00 GMT
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Post by abbafanie on May 3, 2022 22:23:54 GMT
Not sure who designed the other set of outfits we've seen so far (Agnetha in blue, Frida in red, and the boys in suits) - so that makes 4 sets of outfits that we know about so far. Agnetha’s outfit looks more green to me, if it’s the one I’m thinking of? However, she does wear blue in the Just A Notion single artwork. Frida is in red in both. Are there possibly six sets of costumes? Assuming Just A Notion is one of them, and there’s that purple outfit of Björn’s we’ve seen (but don’t think we’ve seen the other three in these). Yes, you're right - looking again, it looks more aqua/green/turquoise. I think there are definitely 5-6 sets: 1. Tron-like outfits 2. Turquoise + red (A+F) 3. Silver (ISHFIY video) 4. D&G outfits (from this weekend) 5. Dancing Queen (esque?) suits like Bjorn wears 6. JAN single art? 7. Sketches (or are these early versions of the turquoise and red outfits?)? The JAN jacket that Bjorn wears looks similar to his jacket when Agnetha is wearing turquoise/green and Frida in red...so many possibilities!
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Post by undertheappletree on May 4, 2022 6:33:10 GMT
I read also, some of the outfits have more than one element/Layer to them, to reveal. Obviously the Flamboyant/psychedelic outfits with the capes could be one, and maybe the Silver one's for the Girls.
I wonder if they asked Abba's former Designer who produced the past Iconic Outfits? It would be a nice gesture. Assuming he was available.
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Post by Alan on May 4, 2022 7:28:59 GMT
I wonder if they asked Abba's former Designer who produced the past Iconic Outfits? It would be a nice gesture. Assuming he was available. Owe Sandström is still alive so it’s uncertain why he wasn’t asked. Maybe as it’s a re-invention, they wanted a completely different look. abbasite.com/people/owe-sandstrom/
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Post by undertheappletree on May 4, 2022 8:34:59 GMT
Thanks for link to the Background info on Owe' Alan; was new to me. Yes maybe they wanted a new approach from the old, but the purple jump suit the Bjorn Abbatar wears is very similar to the ABBA outfits worn in the Dancing Queen Video.
I hear they asked several Clothing Designers to submit their Creations, so maybe there is still a chance, it would be nice imo if there is a design from him included.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 11:46:15 GMT
Hello ABBAChat members,
I previously only read silently in this forum but now as things for the ABBAtar Show start to boil, I decided to register. I'm a 53 years old German ABBA Fan (since 1979) find everything about the Voyage Album and Show extremely exciting.
Regarding the new costumes, I learned that the latest posting on Instagram with the D&G outfit was deleted from the account. Unfortunately, ABBA chose designers with D&G which are not accepted anymore amongst the Asian and LGBTIQ+ communities...
The creative team behind Voyage seems to be unaware about this...
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on May 4, 2022 12:56:11 GMT
Hello ABBAChat members, I previously only read silently in this forum but now as things for the ABBAtar Show start to boil, I decided to register. I'm a 53 years old German ABBA Fan (since 1979) find everything about the Voyage Album and Show extremely exciting. Regarding the new costumes, I learned that the latest posting on Instagram with the D&G outfit was deleted from the account. Unfortunately, ABBA chose designers with D&G which are not accepted anymore amongst the Asian and LGBTIQ+ communities... The creative team behind Voyage seems to be unaware about this... I had never heard of this before so decided to Google ... looks like they've done and said some not great things. I'm 99% sure the team had little to no awareness of this.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 4, 2022 14:01:24 GMT
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Post by Alan on May 4, 2022 22:18:36 GMT
A bit of a negative post on PopJustice, but I like the idea of possible discounts:
“The latter dates are already not shifting – I've heard some tea that they're going to end up doing discounts for autumn/winter shows if they continue as it is – so unless the reviews and word of mouth are fantastic I can't see it lasting years without a lot of effort.
“The fact it's not in the West End and therefore much more of a hard sell to casuals and tourists is going to really hurt it after the initial burst, I think. Tourism here still hasn't recovered properly after covid and Susan from Ohio doesn't want to be messing around after dinner in Covent Garden to get the DLR east to a weird bit of town.”
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Post by undertheappletree on May 5, 2022 4:11:19 GMT
Maybe they could provide an Abba Voyage' Bus, from the West End' of London for potential punters. " All aboard, for a trip through Space and Time"
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 7:16:19 GMT
Alan, I don't think that's negative just honest.
Tickets sold out pretty much end of May to early August. Plenty available from Sep/Oct/Nov/Dec
Issues ➡️ it's not ABBA ➡️ people don't know what to expect ➡️ They are expensive (People used to spending £10 on Mamma Mia cinema ticket or GOLD CD). It's not ABBA. ➡️ In the wrong location ➡️ I think people want seats not dancing areas or private booths ➡️ The whole concept. ABBA are alive and well and recording but can't be bothered to tour.
Why buy tickets now if going to be (heavily) discounted?
With the massive prices and full bookings for 2 months that should be enough to recover costs. Plus the inevitable DVD at Christmas.
Blondie are currently touring the UK. Debbie Harry is 76. Concerts got 4 and 5 star reviews. Prices in 02 in London about £55 to £95 - and that's for the actual group. They can be bothered to tour.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on May 5, 2022 8:11:58 GMT
It's like Bjorn said, it's a big risk they're taking. Those initial reviews are going to be critical.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 5, 2022 8:12:17 GMT
Well at the moment, of late, all the Gutter press are all singing from the same story, ie the negative rumblings of Bjorn's worry of the potential risk they have undertaken with the Abbatar Project, what happened to real journalism. They are always quick to jump on the negative, although Bjorn should be well aware of their tactics, and should not provide them with ammunition.
If l were in the UK at the Moment, l would definitely be more excited with seeing Blondie Live at the Manchester Apollo! l may see the Abbatar Show, if it Survives long enough, but having Seen Abba Live at Wembley twice in Nov 79, nothing Abba related is going to Top that.
I just hope Agnetha can Support her Band Mates at the Launch of the Show, She has had a Privileged life off the Back of ABBA.
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Post by Alan on May 5, 2022 8:27:18 GMT
I have seen Blondie once, but it was like their own tribute act. And that’s the case with a lot of heritage acts. Perhaps I’m in the minority but this ABBA Tar show seems far more exciting than seeing the real thing. I don’t want to sound ageist but I really don’t think the real ABBA could give a good show now. It would be karaoke. I agree that the real thing in 1977 or 1979 would be better but that’s impossible.
I’m perhaps doing tribute acts a bad service there as I’ve seen many that are better than the real thing.
This is how everyone remembers ABBA, but it’s a completely new way of seeing them now as they were then. I love the whole idea.
I don’t think the tickets were too expensive. I paid £43 each. That’s nothing compared to what many concerts cost these days (especially now, with everything going up).
Not sure a DVD is inevitable… they want people to see the show. Plus DVDs are on the way out anyway. I’ve got stacks I never watch, so I don’t buy them anymore.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 5, 2022 8:46:58 GMT
Not to add to any negativity, but I have to say that I have dithered over attending the show a couple of times now. I was equal parts reassured and curious to see that there are ample ticket opportunities during my son's October midterm break. I think its biggest challenge is making the London site attractive. I don't know London well - and the ABBA Arena area not at all. I'm not familiar with London's public transport system. Travelling with a child, plotting a suitable trip needs care. I've had a look at the Voyage website and their information on the location seems reassuring. But is the local train/bus infrastructure capable of handling a surge of 3,000 people at the end of a show at night? It looks as though a taxi trip from there to a more typical tourist location might be pretty expensive... So I still haven't booked anything. BUT! On the principle of if you build it they will come, I suppose local businesses and private bus firms might spot opportunities that will benefit both them and the punter? ABBA have clearly taken a gamble. I imagine that they're banking on it being "the new Mamma Mia" and pulling in a lot of casual fans (read: hen parties). TV specials and documentaries (and possibly even new material??) might be needed to boost its profile from mid-summer onwards? I doubt anyone has invested beyond their means, so if the venture is not a roaring success, nobody will be in penury. Perhaps moving the show to Stockholm and/or Las Vegas might happen ahead of any imagined schedule... Ultimately, I think the show will have a decent lifespan. This reminds me a little of the last-minute nerves ahead of the album's release: there was quite a bit of speculation that it might be crap. Remember?!
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Post by undertheappletree on May 5, 2022 8:48:36 GMT
I have never paid to see a Tribute Act, but l have have seen Blondie live' 3 times and Debbie has an amazing voice live, plus the band,were amazing, and Clem Burke, one of the best Drummer's Worldwide imo. Well we are definitely not going to see Abba live, that's a fact. I don't think they will release a DVD of the Abbatar Show, if they are promoting it has a immersive 360,' experience. 40/50 quid to see the show, very reasonable. I would pay that if in the UK
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Post by Alan on May 5, 2022 9:03:21 GMT
I wonder if it would help if they released a video of a full song? At present we have a short segment of I Still Have Faith In You (which I’m assuming is exactly what will be in the show) plus minor clips to unknown tracks. Perhaps if they released the full performance of, say, Don’t Shut Me Down (or any song that doesn’t have a proper video or visual performance, such as LAYLOM) it might allay fears. Or would it put people off? (“is that it?”)
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Post by HOMETIME on May 5, 2022 9:06:51 GMT
I have seen Bjorn Again a few times over the years and I have to say that they are terrific fun. They mix genuine affection with a sense of humour and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone. I wonder if they'll add some "Tron" costumes to their wardrobe, in "homage" to the new developments?
I agree that an immersive 360° experience would make a DVD release difficult and/or unsatisfying. I wonder if a more limited IMAX/4D cinema release might work as something that could be released in short bursts internationally to help recoup costs? The idea of using the ABBAtars to make a video for, say, DSMD, JAN, NDAI, LAYLOM or Angeleyes could be useful. It might work if they were willing to remix a track? The Visitors is something I'd nominate for that kind of thing, as it could serve as a new single that (we think) features in the show.
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Post by Alan on May 5, 2022 9:42:01 GMT
Björn Again are a franchise though, each country has its own, so recommending them might be difficult if some versions are better than others! However, I’m assuming they’re all trained the same way and give the same shows. Never seen them. What are their names again? Agnetha Faltstart, Frida Longstockin, Benny Anderwear and Björn Volvo-us. Their Erasure-ish covers in 1992 were recently on the Top of The Pops 1992 repeats.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 5, 2022 9:51:57 GMT
Their Erasure-ish covers were great fun. And their Christmas single deserves to be properly reissued: Santa Claus Is Coming To Town in the style of Waterloo, and Little Drummer Boy in a gorgeous hybrid style of Fernando and Chiquitita. Their band names were excellent too: Ola Drumkit and Lasse Wellabalsam are the two that I can remember.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 5, 2022 9:52:29 GMT
In relation to Tribute Acts, l am on the Mailing List with Madilda Lindell She is a Swedish Singer/Musician, and is part of an Abba Tribute Band. She has done many interpretations of ABBA Songs which l love, and Bought her Abba Vynil EP last year. She is very loyal to her follower's on Facebook, Twitter Instagram etc, Zoom, inviting people where she does live streaming, unfortunately l don't subscribe to the above Platforms, but she is very talented plays the Piano, and is Beautiful to Boot;) l recommend you Check her out.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 5, 2022 10:05:33 GMT
Their Erasure-ish covers were great fun. And their Christmas single deserves to be properly reissued: Santa Claus Is Coming To Town in the style of Waterloo, and Little Drummer Boy in a gorgeous hybrid style of Fernando and Chiquitita. Their band names were excellent too: Ola Drumkit and Lasse Wellabalsam are the two that I can remember. I remember l bought the Cassette version of Bjorn again Christmas, abbaesque songs Drummer Boy always been a fav Christmas Carol Song, at the time was not an Erasure fan, until a few years ago, such a vast back Catalogue, would pay to see them in Concert for Sure given the opportunity
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 13:10:57 GMT
I don't think it's negative to point out ticket sales are low for final few nonths and that positive reviews - professional or fans are essential.
I haven't seen any £43 tickets for the next few months.
I do think the location could be an issue. The venue is away from theatreland and usual touristy hotspots.
I guess it's natural to have a bit of nervous expectation but hopefully it will be alright on the night.
I do think at some stage there will be a dvd or something online.
I saw Blondie about 20 years ago. I thought Debbie's voice was terrible and it put me off seeing them this time.
Yeah, maybe the real ABBA wouldn't be so good live now in their 70s.
I look forward to seeing people here give their reviews.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 5, 2022 13:42:27 GMT
I saw Blondie about 20 years ago. I thought Debbie's voice was terrible and it put me off… Oh Johnny l will never take you seriously again! You are definitely Mutton Jeff, but l suppose that's why our own judgement Counts more than others, so fair play to you, I thought the same about other Acts live, where their isn't any Studio trickery to enhance their Voices, which you have to allow for.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 16:54:04 GMT
I wonder if it would help if they released a video of a full song? Actually, I find it quite natural that the ticket presale has slowed down because a lot of people who are not super ABBA fans now wait for the premiere to see what they really will get. For me it is the other way round. I was much surprised that 300.000 Tickets have been sold for something nobody knows what will be delivered at the end. If the Show itself is really sensational and strikes a chord with the audience, ticket sales will rise up and it will become a hot ticket. It is not the point that it is not ABBA themselfes, it is not even the point that it is ABBA. If people come out of the Show and say "You must see this Show, it's spectacular" people will go and see it. But this is the fate of such Event. If you don't have the original you need other good points to sell the Show. I believe the production team is very much aware of this. I doubt if a complete ABBAtare Video would do the trick, they need to deliver the show now, it's as simple as that. And it is the same with a new Musical Show, isn't it? You can have sold out Shows for the first weeks with a new Show, but at one timepoint you need to deliver...
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 17:04:46 GMT
Yeah, maybe the real ABBA wouldn't be so good live now in their 70s. The point is it would be a completely different thing. Maybe they would sit in 4 big Chairs with cups of tea beside them, belting out their Hits...Just as Barbra Streisand does. And well, this would surely cost hundreds of pounds. Elton John ticket in Leipzig Stadion: 150 to 450 Euros ....
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 18:18:23 GMT
Tony, your set list is great. Oh dear, I sound like " Tony The Tiger " from the advert for " Frosties ". " They're gre-aaaat " ! Johnny, everyone is entitled to their own views regarding The ABBAtars. Without a doubt I think the show is going to be " something else ". Sorry, for sounding like a broken record but I really hope that the set list will include quite a few songs that have never been performed live.
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Post by Alan on May 5, 2022 18:39:18 GMT
A closer look at Björn’s jacket. Looks as though it is the same one as on the Just A Notion single. Here, the light brings out the colours, whereas on the single cover there was different lighting so it showed black. Unless they digitally changed it for the JAN cover. Perhaps Agnetha’s is the same outfit too, just changed from green to blue for JAN?
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Post by Alan on May 5, 2022 19:20:08 GMT
Maybe they would sit in 4 big Chairs with cups of tea beside them, belting out their Hits...Just as Barbra Streisand does. That sounds awful. I really wouldn’t want that! I’d be sitting there wondering why they hadn’t done this much sooner. I honestly wouldn’t want to see the real ABBA live now. It’s too late. And I wouldn’t want them to be put through it either. Blondie and all those other acts… aren’t they just a bit sad for carrying on and on? There seems to be some social media negativity about it, as this post on PopJustice alludes to: “They’re also getting some heat on social media for not actually being there in person. The "hologram concert" label is proving difficult to shake off.” To which someone replied: “Heat on social media about something made clear from the outset, and the whole point of the show! Haha. Totally laughable but completely expected.” Quite.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 21:31:32 GMT
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