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Post by johnny on May 10, 2022 10:17:02 GMT
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Post by lycka on May 10, 2022 10:55:45 GMT
Hi Johnny - let's not fall out over this 😊
The Voyage concerts are a totally new concept so there is no meaningful barometer to tell whether ticket sales are good or bad at this stage. Your bulletins on sales therefore come across as a bit negative to me (and to others on this forum who have posted or liked other posts). Hey ho
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 11:55:47 GMT
Lycka - they are not "alleged" poor ticket sales. They are. You can check the Ticketmaster site yourself. Not many tickets for the next 2 to 3 months but plenty from September onwards. I don't have to be "supportive". As for "constructive" I am just pointing out facts. Most of the London Shows in Westend are currently booking until September/October(apart from Wicked). And in general, travel/ tourist travel is far from getting normal or even back to pre- Covid status. So it might be that ticket sale has slowed down, but more than 300.000 Tickets sold is not a bad thing. If it is helping to combine ticket sales with hotel booking is another case... personally I don't like this combination. Also, currently 3 events run with ABBA music: Mamma Mia, Mamma Mia The Party AND Voyage. Maybe a little ABBA too much... And no Jonny, you don't have any obligations but constantly negative vibes concerning the whole Voyage project just suck. To me it seems you are so negative because you do not want to be disappointed... |
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Post by johnny on May 10, 2022 12:25:42 GMT
Maybe a little ABBA too much... And no Jonny, you don't have any obligations but constantly negative vibes concerning the whole Voyage project just suck. To me it seems you are so negative because you do not want to be disappointed... I don't think I am negative. I have said several times now ticket sales, which are low for the autumn, will probably pick up with good reviews/word of mouth. You are right, I don't want to be disappointed. The Concert is likely to be the last new thing ABBA do. Of course I want it - and ABBA's career to end on a high. Ditto the unreleased songs. Fine, if they are like Don't Shut Me Down but no thsnks if more like Little Things. Finally, if people don't like my posts, you can scroll down. Saying people's posts "suck" is not constructive criticism.😀 |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 12:48:56 GMT
I have the feeling that you nag on everything!
E.g. You constantly rated down the Show as "not even 3D" , "who wants to see them on a screen for so much money" etc. etc. etc.
Without knowing any bit or piece of how the Show really works and how it will all look like.
That sucks!
I hope I have precisioned my critisism sufficiently, to be more constructive🙃
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Post by lycka on May 10, 2022 13:28:14 GMT
Johnny - I know I can scroll down posts that I don't want to read. However I do usually enjoy your posts and your firm views can often be a breath of fresh air.
I think you are being over defensive about this. It's not a big deal in the overall scheme of things so please keep posting, perhaps just moving on from the subject of ticket sales and the like. I'm just trying to tone down the rhetoric so we can all continue to enjoy the posts without bickering ☺
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Post by Michal on May 10, 2022 18:59:26 GMT
In sixteen days we will know. At least three forum members are attending the VIP opening night, so there will be first-hand news here. Of course we don't know what the show will be like at the moment but I'm optimistic. I can't imagine the ABBA members would approve of something that could be called a disaster. It can happen that the show won't live up to the expectation of everybody but I'm sure it will be spectacular.
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Post by bennybjorn on May 10, 2022 21:49:47 GMT
I'm a fan of Johnny's posts too. Objective rather than negative I'd say and always well informed.
Anyway, another way of looking at the 300,000 concert sales is that this represents well over 3 times Wembley stadium concert capacity.
I doubt there's more than a handful of acts in the world that could shift that many tickets, and this is even without the group appearing personally themselves! So it's pretty impressive stuff.
You could also liken it to a new film as no-one really knows quite what to expect. People don't buy tickets to new films months in advance.
Of course, the Voyage concerts could still be a relative flop but worth remembering the unusual context before declaring it such in advance.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 11:10:04 GMT
I'll second that. Johnny's comments and views are always a valid contribution to the forum . We all have our " off days ".
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Post by johnny on May 11, 2022 11:16:35 GMT
I just saw on one of ABBA's socials a trailer with Thank You For the Music and mention of 20 ABBA songs in the concert.
Regarding my comments, I think BennyBjorn is right, I am objective (which doesn't necessarily mean 'correct'). I see myself as a "Critical Friend". Some may focus on the "critical", I see myself as a Friend.
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Post by johnny on May 11, 2022 11:20:14 GMT
I'll second that. Johnny's comments and views are always a valid contribution to the forum . We all have our " off days ". Thanks... up to a point. I don't have "off days" only days when more people disagree with me. And there's nothing wrong with disagreement. 😀 |
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Post by lycka on May 11, 2022 16:22:41 GMT
Looks as if Harry has unfortunately left the forum over what he perceived as unnecessary negativity about the Voyage concert. Must say I agree with his general interpretation and I hope he returns. He had some useful and informative posts.
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Post by Michal on May 11, 2022 18:48:04 GMT
lycka, there was a lot of positivity too. There's no need to leave the forum if you don't agree with another member or two. It is a pity, as there are so few here posting...
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Post by lycka on May 11, 2022 19:22:22 GMT
Michal - I totally agree there is a lot of positivity on this forum. I like it very much.
However I do think there has been some undue negativity recently, particularly about the Voyage concerts. Some folk are more robust than others and can cope well with 'disagreements' or differences in opinion. Others are not so well able to deal with, what probably feels to them like confrontation, so either will not post or just leave the forum.
Harry is not the first to have left. I had a sense it may have been coming which is why I posted (in vain) a suggestion yesterday to dial down the rhetoric. I thought two members might leave in fact.
I want this forum to thrive and losing any active member is very sad.
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Post by Alan on May 11, 2022 22:45:10 GMT
Looks as if Harry has unfortunately left the forum over what he perceived as unnecessary negativity about the Voyage concert. Must say I agree with his general interpretation and I hope he returns. He had some useful and informative posts. Oh, that’s unfortunate. Deleting profiles is always so drastic and means you can’t go into their profile to re-read their previous posts. I don’t want anyone to feel they have to leave, but at the same time I can’t moderate against posts perceived as being negative. Generally there’s only the one person that likes to put a downer on things and we have to accept that’s how they are. There’s also been quite a lot of positivity lately. I, for one, am very much looking forward to seeing the Voyage show. Hundreds (or certainly tens) of people have left the forum over the years. When I was going through old topics during my re-structuring exercise I noticed quite a few that once regularly posted but are now long gone. As their profiles remain open, they’re still identifiable. Deleted profiles generally aren’t. Thankfully Eddie and Colin both came back with new profiles. Harry may do the same. |
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Post by alib on May 12, 2022 7:28:40 GMT
Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to get to the concert, however I will be surprised if it is not popular/successful. If Mamma Mia (theatre show) can run for nearly 25 years, with other people singing the songs, then I can't see any reason why the concert won't succeed. It has to be seen for what it is really, a good night out, not an intimate affair with die-hard fans like us! I'd like to think it will run and run, but I think Vegas may be the long term venue. Maybe that would mean there will be a DVD of the show for most of us who can't get to Vegas!? Can't see that affecting Vegas ticket sales! We must not forget also, how much hard work has gone in to this. I wonder if rehearsals in the venue have actually been done yet? I can't imagine with all that technology that it will only be tested out a couple of nights before opening!!! I feel positive about it, we all need that these days!!
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Post by johnny on May 12, 2022 9:05:27 GMT
If some people want to leave the forum that's up to them. Deleting a profile seema to be a tad drastic. Hopefully Harry will come back. In the real world people have different opinions and personalities. It's good to accept diversity, imo.
Regarding negativity, personally I don't feel talking about poor ticket sales for the autumn is just stating facts. I have also said, hopefully they will pick up with positive reviews. Even Bjorn has had a wobble. Nervous expectation is not negative
Singling out one or two people for negativity or "putting on a downer" but not saying who is, is both cowardly and gaslighting. Neither of which are positive.
Only two weeks to go. I am looking forward to finding out about what the show is all about. What it looks like and what songs are in it.
I haven't written the show off just curious about it. I have an open mind.
Alib, I hope and think there will be a dvd of the Concert at some stage so the millions of fans around the world.
Alan is right when he says dvd sales are not what they are. But you can say the same about cd sales and we got the voyage album. There could be a downloadable digital version. To say there won't be, at some stage, is to me, well, negative.
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Post by lycka on May 12, 2022 9:44:18 GMT
If some people want to leave the forum that's up to them Singling out one or two people for negativity or "putting on a downer" but not saying who is, is both cowardly and gaslighting. I've extracted two quotes from your latest post Johnny. You clearly just don't get the issue. I previously said I thought two people might leave. One has gone and you seem oblivious as to who the other person might be. I'm not cowardly by not telling you who I think the other person is. I'm simply looking out for them as the decent thing to do. I doubt they would welcome being singled out - particularly without their consent. If you read through your recent posts I think it is obvious who I am talking about. I don't think they have posted since your last response to them - the one that crossed the line for me anyway. I still believe your posts are generally worth reading and I hope you can take this on the chin. However I now give up on my attempts to intervene. It's just not worth the hassle. |
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Post by johnny on May 12, 2022 9:59:25 GMT
My comments about singling out people was clearly related to alleged negative posts not anyone leaving...as the quote you supplied shows.
This is boring now. Move on, people.
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Post by Alan on May 12, 2022 9:59:28 GMT
Singling out one or two people for negativity or "putting on a downer" but not saying who is, is both cowardly and gaslighting. It was neither of those. I didn’t mention you by name as it’s quite obvious to most of the members on here who I was referring to. You don’t seem to have acknowledged that I did defend you, saying we have to accept how people are and I can’t moderate against it just because it might upset another member (and in this case apparently cause them to leave). And haven’t you just done the same? It was me that used the word “downer” so that was clearly aimed at me and yet you didn’t mention me. Is that not cowardly and gaslighting? |
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Post by johnny on May 12, 2022 10:05:09 GMT
I did mention you on the point about a dvd for Voyage. Your frequent suggestions that there won't be a dvd, ever, is indeed very negative.[br
As for the "downer" comment I didn't check who said it.I skimmed read posts. And yes you are gaslighting and negative.
I've put up with a barage of criticism from yourself Alan and Lycka about "negstivity"
When the reality is I simply stated FACTS regarding poor ticket sales Sep to Dec. I also said ticket sales will probably improve with positive reviews and word of mouth. That isn't negative.
Other people's sensitivies are commented on - together with the constant character assasinstion of me.
This is a fan site. I didn't realise it was for sychophants only.
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Post by lycka on May 12, 2022 10:39:29 GMT
Wow - that's quite a nasty allegation Johnny.
For those who may not know what 'gaslighting' means, in brief it refers to an abuser who is manipulative.
I never imagined trying to look out for others could ever be termed as negative. I think we should all call out inappropriate behaviour when we see if and if we are confident enough to do so.
I will not get dragged into a war of words with you about this. The matter is just getting ridiculous and it cannot be pleasant for others to read. That being the case, this is my last post on the subject to to you Johnny. If we were sitting one to one in the pub with a pint, I think we would laugh at this and move on. It's more difficult on an anonymous forum.
I genuinely look forward to new posts from you which, as I have said often, I generally enjoy tremendously.
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Post by johnny on May 12, 2022 10:45:14 GMT
It is gaslighting. Criticism of an individual without saying directly. Caring only about the feelings of others while denigrating and misrepresenting the views of others looks very much like gaslighting. I have to say both Alan and Lycka seem to indulge in this behaviour.
If attacked, I will fight back.
Anyway, I have made my points. Going forward I hope some people can accept there are differing opinions. Labelling someone 'negative' for pointing out facts or just having concerns is not nice at all.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 12, 2022 11:14:08 GMT
Get down off the cross, Johnny, we need the wood. The first rule of any forum is "don't be a dick" and you've ridden roughshod over that from day one. Yes, we get that you have strongly-held views: it's not like you ever held back. As strangers, probably nobody here means anything to you, so why should you give a continental sh1te about anyone else's views/feelings/opinions when your opinion is the only one you're prepared to consider? And the absolute gall of you to accuse others of misbehaviour when you had the mother of all tantrums in the not-too-distant past, lashing out like Nellie Oleson on speed. Your behaviour is a constant strain on the atmosphere. After Alan lifted your well-earned ban, you approximated social decency for a while, but the longterm effort has clearly been too much. If people are using the block button (me, in case you hadn't guessed) or are leaving because of your behaviour, then you really need to take a long hard look at how you act.
Your insistence that you do no wrong here is textbook gaslighting. Catch a hold of yourself.
Yours sincerely
The C*nt
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Post by pelegtop on May 12, 2022 11:16:54 GMT
Are there any fan gatherings happening in London during opening week of Voyage?
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Post by johnny on May 12, 2022 11:30:08 GMT
Feel better now Hometime?
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Post by HOMETIME on May 12, 2022 11:32:15 GMT
Much.
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Post by johnny on May 12, 2022 12:44:02 GMT
Remember back in September, the unveiling of two new songs,announcement of both the first new album in 40 years and the Voyage concert.
It was huge news. Not just for us fans but it made the news in the media.
The singles got rave reviews - even from the lady in the Guardian who have Voyage just 2 stars. Boo hiss!
The actual release of Voyage and it getting to #1 didn't have the same media impact. I really expected a "And finally" type bit on the news about Voyage getting to #1. The reviews of the album were mixed
I think some reviwers were thinking along the lines of Gold Greatest Hits.
The concert IN TWO WEEKS TIME. I guess the media interest will be more than when the album came out but maybe as not as that first announcement in September.
The reviews will be vital imo for the longterm success of the show. People will want to know what ti expect. In 2 weeks time we'll find out.
The location is not ideal but realistic. The nature of the show meant it had to have a purpose built venue - so ruling out the West End.
The prices could be better too.
But that nitpicking aside I hope it all goes well. I want ABBA's last new activity to be a huge success.
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Post by tagaytay on May 12, 2022 13:09:55 GMT
Get down off the cross, Johnny, we need the wood. The first rule of any forum is "don't be a dick" and you've ridden roughshod over that from day one. Yes, we get that you have strongly-held views: it's not like you ever held back. As strangers, probably nobody here means anything to you, so why should you give a continental sh1te about anyone else's views/feelings/opinions when your opinion is the only one you're prepared to consider? And the absolute gall of you to accuse others of misbehaviour when you had the mother of all tantrums in the not-too-distant past, lashing out like Nellie Oleson on speed. Your behaviour is a constant strain on the atmosphere. After Alan lifted your well-earned ban, you approximated social decency for a while, but the longterm effort has clearly been too much. If people are using the block button (me, in case you hadn't guessed) or are leaving because of your behaviour, then you really need to take a long hard look at how you act. Your insistence that you do no wrong here is textbook gaslighting. Catch a hold of yourself. I agree and you have said what I guess are the sentiments of many others who are just too shy (timid?) or just cant be bothered to waste the effort to call him out. |
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Post by lycka on May 12, 2022 13:22:07 GMT
Don't even know who you are. Remember none of your posts. And care even less. Alan - do we have to put up with this nonsense? It's excruciating. |
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