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Post by dankeepinganeyeonabba on Jun 4, 2022 21:56:22 GMT
The visuals for mamma mia were one of the highlights for me which I was surprised about as its not one of my favorites but I loved this!
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Post by bennybjorn on Jun 4, 2022 22:55:08 GMT
Here's a nice melancholic cover of Super Trouper without all the irritating 'super-per trouper-per' bits!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 8:49:51 GMT
When I read reports of 22-25 songs I assumed they would be all ABBAtars.It never occurred to me that at least 3, Waterloo, Eagle, Voulez Vous would not be. I hope the songs not in show so far are all Abbatars.
Ending with a sequence of Mamma
Mia, Dancing Queen and Waterloo would have been a bit of a cliche - like the ending of the Mamma Mia musical.
I Still Have Faith in You to me sounds like an ending song, in same way as The Way Old Friends Do does. The show could end with people thinking, yes, they still have faith in ABBA.
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Post by gamleman on Jun 5, 2022 9:13:26 GMT
Indeed, ISHFIY may have made a fitting finale to the show, although lyrically I see it more as an opener for this phase of ABBA's career. ISHFIY and DSMD could have been used to open the show. The argument against that would have been the need to open with ABBA classics, but they didn't actually do that.
I have a feeling that ABBAtar performances of Waterloo, Eagle and Voulez-vous will follow - it could be that the programming hasn't been completed.
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Post by HOMETIME on Jun 5, 2022 10:45:19 GMT
When I read reports of 22-25 songs I assumed they would be all ABBAtars.It never occurred to me that at least 3, Waterloo, Eagle, Voulez Vous would not be. I hope the songs not in show so far are all Abbatars. Same. Waterloo not being an ABBAtar performance is probably the biggest surprise for me (although the sexual tension in Voulez-Vous strikes me as an odd choice for a dreamy video sequence). Someone else wondered whether parts of the show might still be in development, and whether that explains the non-performances. If they're keeping material - and performances - back for revamped shows, I hope the changes can be big enough so that repeat visitors experience something really different each time. By that I mean songs in a different order with the ABBAtars wearing outfits they hadn't worn for previous performances. I imagine that certain sequences will remain the same though: I can't imagine that beautiful video effect for Knowing Me, Knowing You being bettered. Could the dramatic transition between LAYLOM and SNC be retooled for other songs? It's almost academic, though. People really seem to be LOVING the show. I hope to experience it myself before too long. There's a few from this setlist that I hope will still be there when I see the show. I can see that they're making sure that people have reasons to return. |
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Post by joseph on Jun 5, 2022 11:43:39 GMT
Word is that if you film at Voyage you'll be escorted out? Can anyone who's already been confirm this? I gather videos are being removed from YouTube but as far as I can tell some are still there. In an ideal world, I'd rather see Voyage without any of the spoiler videos but the cat is out of the bag already and I'm sure the real life spectacle will be way better than any crappy camera phone footage can capture anyway. When I go later this year my plan was simply to take a few pictures, (most likely of me standing outside the venue looking awkward) but to actually watch the show with my own eyes and not through a flipping camera lens. I won't deny that if people are waving their bloody phones in the air it will annoy me (even if I won't actually say anything). Its a weird one because it's so commonplace now so the norm, but it's a double-edged sword for sure.
Incidentally, where are the pics of those of you who have already been?! Reveal yourselves!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 12:20:49 GMT
Joseph
You are spot on about camera phones at concerts. Yes, any footage is likely to be very poor indeed. And why can't people live for the moment and not worry about filming. It takes away from the experience.
Does anyone ever playback their rubbishy videos? It's just a habit. A very bad one.
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Post by lamont on Jun 5, 2022 12:40:56 GMT
When I was there on the 26th, a poor chap next to me fainted, in the dance floor section, he was out for around 30 seconds, panicked then rushed away, the first aid team went after him (they were there sharp.)
Just hoping he is ok. The arena was very hot, and we were at the very back where there was air conditioning coming out the vents on the wall.
Maybe the dance floor could be less congested.
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Post by foreverfan on Jun 5, 2022 12:42:03 GMT
Joesph... as per usual agree...lol
That said there was n announcement at the very start, obviously can’t remember word for word, but something like...
To keep the magic of Voyage , you can video for about 45 seconds, but if observed longer you will be removed from the arena...
Standing was to a minimum , 90% contained themselves by sitting and bopping right upto DQ, then it was impossible,not to stand, after most sat down for the final 2. Tracks, then of course a standing ovation at the end ( which is bizarre as we know they are not there, but it’s as much for the live band and tech wizards)
Just absorb cry smile and enjoy.. it’s a wonderful experience...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 12:55:49 GMT
What's going to be better, a snippet of a song from an official trailer or some phone camera footage? 🤔
I have watched this on a loop.
I would be well annoyed if I had a seat and someone on front of me was standing up. ☹
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Post by gamleman on Jun 5, 2022 13:06:44 GMT
I often get irritated at concerts, mainly by the other audience members... people standing infront of me, holding their phones up in my view, shouting and whistling. If you have a seat, there is nothing to be gained by standing, as your view doesn't change, but there is the likely risk of obscuring the view of people behind, who may be shorter or are unable to stand for long periods. Many people are basically selfish when they get into a concert hall. In my ideal concert, everyone would remain seated throughout, not use cameras or phones, and applaud politely between songs  Also, the music shouldn't be so loud as to put your hearing at risk - it is highly advisable to wear musicians earplugs at concerts, but why should we need to? |
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Post by dankeepinganeyeonabba on Jun 5, 2022 15:50:11 GMT
I filmed some footage at the show, one song (don't worry its for my own memories - its not going on the socials) and I noticed that when compared with recordings I made at other gigs, the sound at Abba was crystal clear on my recording. Other gigs, its just distorted or tinny but those 300 speaks really paid off!
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Post by dankeepinganeyeonabba on Jun 5, 2022 15:52:04 GMT
I often get irritated at concerts, mainly by the other audience members... people standing infront of me, holding their phones up in my view, shouting and whistling. If you have a seat, there is nothing to be gained by standing, as your view doesn't change, but there is the likely risk of obscuring the view of people behind, who may be shorter or are unable to stand for long periods. Many people are basically selfish when they get into a concert hall. In my ideal concert, everyone would remain seated throughout, not use cameras or phones, and applaud politely between songs Also, the music shouldn't be so loud as to put your hearing at risk - it is highly advisable to wear musicians earplugs at concerts, but why should we need to? I have to say, your ideal gig sounds a but dull and stagnated. I mean that is the very nature of a gig. Shouting and whistling and raw energy. Imagine going to see someone like Wet Leg and the audience not shouting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 17:01:03 GMT
I think it is a little unfair to pull footage of the " Voyage " concert fimed by fans for those who can't go. No one really gives a damn about the fans who can't attend the shows for reasons as below,
a) Unable to drive.
b) Living far away from the venue.
c) The unreliability of public transport ( trains and buses ).
Universal music are being nasty and just plain greedy in deleting camera footage of the shows already taken place. I was a bit surprised at Bjorn assuming all ABBA fans should see the show. Sorry reality doesn't work like that and I am very surprised and disappointed at his reluctance of possible concert DVD releases.
WE ARE ALL EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS.
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Post by aggiefan on Jun 5, 2022 17:03:07 GMT
Hi everyone.
Longtime fan here.
Huge congrats to Abba and everyone involved in the production of this groundbreaking show which has given Abba probably the best reviews of anything they've ever been involved in.
Having said that. Some of you seem a bit down that the show hasn't given their music a bigger sales boost. I just think it's a case of nearly everyone who is going to these shows will already have their old albums and Voyage. Not much can be done about that I'm afraid.
One concern going forward is the sluggish ticket sales for the months ahead. Despite the deserved great reviews,all the important publicity will be practically over now. Then there's the question about there really enough hardcore fans out there willing to pay a lot of money to see a gig which doesn't have the real Abba, no matter how great the show is? Everything is going to hinge on word of mouth and that might not be enough to stop the show ending up a bit of a flop in terms of attendances, which would be a real shane
Then there's the cost of living crisis which is going to get worse before it gets better.
Whatever happens, Abba are arguably going to have the biggest, most influential and long-term impact on the music scene when they are all well into their 70's. Quite remarkable really!
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Post by gamleman on Jun 5, 2022 17:27:13 GMT
I have to say, your ideal gig sounds a but dull and stagnated. I mean that is the very nature of a gig. Shouting and whistling and raw energy. Imagine going to see someone like Wet Leg and the audience not shouting. I guess I'm a bit dull too. My comment was tongue-in-cheek, as I know it isn't a realistic expectation of a concert. But that is how I'd prefer it - I go to see the artist, not the audience. The theatre is different - I like the idea of sitting with other people to watch a play and find it rather cosy, but theatres tend to be much less raucous. @eddie , I don't think Bjorn is terribly realistic as to what people can afford to do and consider good value for money. When he was on The One Show to promote the Mamma Mia dining experience and it was pointed out to him that it's expensive at £140 or whatever, his response was something like "There are five courses". Re ABBA Voyage, for the moment B&B's line is that you have to come to see the show to fully experience and appreciate it, as they want to sell tickets and recoup the huge investment, so I can understand no promises of a DVD - it may come in time though. |
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Post by richard on Jun 5, 2022 17:33:57 GMT
Spot on, Eddie. But it's commercial reality, I'm afraid.
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Post by Gill Taylforth on Jun 5, 2022 18:12:31 GMT
The shows after August may already be starting to slowly improve in sales. 11 shows have low availability in September and 3 shows with low availability in October. I could have sworn no shows had low availability after August before the premiere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 18:12:34 GMT
Maybe a DVD release is not out of the question.
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Post by hejiranyc on Jun 5, 2022 19:48:58 GMT
Here's a nice melancholic cover of Super Trouper without all the irritating 'super-per trouper-per' bits! OMG, this is literally the worst thing I have ever heard. Unfortunately I cannot unhear it. |
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Post by dankeepinganeyeonabba on Jun 6, 2022 8:30:32 GMT
If you are spotted filming, security shine a very focused spot light on you with their torches. They are very much singled out. Sometimes 2 or 3 spotlights. It’s an effective way of shaming the people recording. Also, when the no recording announcement came, the audience cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 10:42:41 GMT
Aggiefan - you are right to be comcerned about ticket sales.
Plenty available from mid Sep to early Dec so I don't unserstand the reason for extending until next May. They need to sell autumn batch first.
I think the success of Gold and the Mamma Mia have made ABBA complacent and unrealistic. Yes, people forked out a tenner for those. But the show is way more expensive - transport, hotel and actual ticket.
Ticket sales are more in line with the Voyage album or More Gold rather than Mamma Mia or Gold. Has that reality sunk it? Great reviews. But they need more bums on seats.
I think a dvd is inevitable. That would have huge sales potential.
I agree with comments about Bjorn being unrealistic as to what people can afford.
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Post by Gillian T on Jun 6, 2022 10:50:47 GMT
I hope they at least release the audio from the show this year. Mamma Mia! The Musical had a soundtrack released the same year it started on stage.
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Post by dankeepinganeyeonabba on Jun 6, 2022 12:04:49 GMT
From my understanding 30 tickets or less available for the whole show = limited availability and a yellow colour. I also see that it’s gone from 11 to 12 shows in September for low availability.
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Post by dankeepinganeyeonabba on Jun 6, 2022 12:06:09 GMT
They said they need to sell 80 % of tickets to break even I think? So that’s 2400 per show out of 3000
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 12:38:06 GMT
I also, would like an audio release of the concert together with a deluxe edition of " Voyage ". I am not expecting anything more from ABBA. They have more than delighted us with an excellent new album and a spectacular concert which I hope to attend some time in the future. Keep posting about your experiences of the " Voyage " concert. I enjoy reading your reviews especially Foreverfan's.
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Post by foreverfan on Jun 6, 2022 15:16:37 GMT
I shouldn’t think that there are many if any spoilers left.. lol.. wasn’t sure which one to put this one in, but hey...
Well it’s been exactly one week since I went to Voyage, and my friend and I are still talking about it, it goes by in a flash and snippets come back eventually, so like a few here I hope one day we will get a DVD or whatever format these days of the show, I have a feeling it may be a bit of a way off yet, surmising as we do, when the show moves on, leaves Europe, we will see...
It’s strange now that when you hear a non video track like LAYLOM, I now see it as the concert visuals...and it was great, would make a fantastic release, in another age or time, but now, I doubt we’ll get anything single related from the show...which may be a shame as a great way to promote, fill those seats, I have had a quick look as yes I’m thinking of going back! but it is a little pricey and I doubt I’ll get as good a seat as I did at the price I got.....however we only live once..... as far as we know..
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Post by aggiefan on Jun 6, 2022 21:38:26 GMT
Aggiefan - you are right to be comcerned about ticket sales. Plenty available from mid Sep to early Dec so I don't unserstand the reason for extending until next May. They need to sell autumn batch first. I think the success of Gold and the Mamma Mia have made ABBA complacent and unrealistic. Yes, people forked out a tenner for those. But the show is way more expensive - transport, hotel and actual ticket. Ticket sales are more in line with the Voyage album or More Gold rather than Mamma Mia or Gold. Has that reality sunk it? Great reviews. But they need more bums on seats. I think a dvd is inevitable. That would have huge sales potential. I agree with comments about Bjorn being unrealistic as to what people can afford. Good point about Gold and Mamma Mia! Those two had mass appeal which spread over decades, but that doesn't mean all those who bought the Gold or went to see the movies or theatre productions would have been hardcore Abba fans. Those hardcore fans that are left/still alive are ones who would have bought the Voyage album and while it sold quite well, it didn't sell enough to suggest Abba still had a huge number of hardcore fans. I just can't see anywhere near enough casual fans being interested in paying to this this show, especially with the economic problems we are facing, so I do fear this will end up being a significant commercial failure. However. This production is the start of things to come in the world of music entertainment. These kinds of shows will become much cheaper to produce with no need to build arena's and the technology will only get better and better and Abba will go down as the ones who started a new era in music entertainment. As I said in my previous post, that will be a huge legacy to leave behind. |
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Post by Josie on Jun 6, 2022 23:16:04 GMT
Hi,
I have a seating ticket for 2/07, does anyone who has been know If you can stand up and dance in your seats? I couldn't get standing cause I'm going with my gran!
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Post by Josie on Jun 6, 2022 23:19:35 GMT
"just watched the first two songs of ABBA Voyage with my jaw on the flipping FLOOR what the heck lol" Hey do people dance in the seating area? |
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