I completely agree, Lycka. Richard, it was quite a difficult task but at the same time quite satisfying.
I wish I could understand why you keep doing this, Eddie. If it’s not for attention, then why? This was your last post and seems positive, so why delete your profile yet again? Obviously you can re-register, but if you need a break from here, you can take it without deleting your profile.
I can put together a list of thirty. Beyond those listed, I'd just be arranging tracks into an order that wouldn't reflect on anything.
30. Soldiers 29. Dance While The Music Still Goes On 28. Head Over Heels 27. I Still Have Faith In You 26. If It Wasn't For The Nights 25. Gonna Sing You My Love Song 24. Lovelight 23. The King Has Lost His Crown 22. Hey, Hey Helen 21. Like An Angel Passing Through My Room 20. Chiquitita 19. Dum Dum Diddle 18. I Wonder 17. Slipping Through My Fingers 16. When I Kissed The Teacher 15. I'm A Marionette 14. One Man, One Woman 13. Tiger 12. Summer Night City 11. My Love, My Life 10. Eagle 09. That's Me 08. Mamma Mia 07. Move On 06. The Visitors 05. Hole In Your Soul 04. SOS 03. Dancing Queen 02. The Name Of The Game 01. Knowing Me, Knowing You
My top 5-10 never really change. There's obviously a heavy Album/Arrival bias. The one song that gets in from Voyage is I Still Have Faith In You, but I have this feeling I'm making an effort to shoehorn it in. Do I truly prefer it to Take A Chance On Me or Super Trouper? Very possibly not, although it is a fine track, their last great one in all likelihood. I can't see KMKY ever dropping off top spot, it's in a class by itself, never failing to thrill you and fill you with awe—the sound of a great pop band transcending its greatness in a way that even the band itself probably can't quite account for.
I didn't agonise over the process - no one's going to be holding us to these. I did it quickly, in order to try and throw up natural, felt, 'true' choices rather than balanced, considered, 'curated' choices. I can't shake the feeling that there's a glaring omission, but I haven't yet worked out what it might be.
I've never been that keen on Fernando. Probably Take A Chance On Me ought to be in there; Soldiers and The King Has Lost His Crown shouldn't be ahead of it. (I played The King Has Lost His Crown after doing this and it's not as impressive as I remember it. It's not bad; the contrast between the schadenfreude of the lyrics and their laid-back delivery in the verses is nicely done, but the build into the choruses is strident, and the choruses themselves don't live up to the verses.) Doing this has brought home again how quickly after The Album it becomes slim pickings, in terms of personal favourites.
An intriguing top 30 chronington. It surprises me that several folk on this forum are especially fond of TWTIA. If I ever get round to compiling a chart it would probably be number one for me.
Good to see Dum Dum Diddle on your list. It is much maligned and IMO deserved better lyrics - but the melody is top notch. Tiger too is a great song and not heard enough on the radio. I would love to see it incorporated into the Voyage set list.
Appreciate your view that the songs after Arrival and the Album were perhaps not as good as the pop perfection of those two albums. I sort of agree but then think of Voulez-Vous, Gimme Gimme Gimme, LAYLOM, WAISAD, LAAPTMR, TDBYC and am not 100% convinced. I get your point about almost feeling obliged to shoehorn in a song from Voyage in ISHFIU. If you had asked me 4 months ago I would have placed 4 or 5 from Voyage on my top 40. Now Ode to Freedom would definitely be there and perhaps just DSMD. Still love KAEOD and ISHFIU but are they better than say more unheralded songs like Should I Laugh Or Cry or I Wonder to name just two off the top of my head? Dunno...
Yes, a nice choice, Chronington. I agree with what you say about Arrival/The Album. They’re the peak, ABBA’s very own Revolver and Sgt Pepper. It’s not that there aren’t some fine songs on the earlier and later albums, but that those albums are less consistent and inspired. Arrival and The Album are excellent the whole way through. It’s not just the songwriting, though that is the most important thing, it’s the production as well.
I've had an entirely unscientific go at a Top 40. The closer to the top, the more reliable the ranking. As I went through the list, songs got placed on the basis of what I fancy listening to right now. So it could - and will! - change quite soon. I can't remember my previous "chart" but, apart from the Top 5, I think there has been a fair bit of fluctuation. Apologies for the accidental slaughter of any sacred cows.
That's a very interesting chart Hometime. Many of the posts put Arrival and the Album at Abba's artistic peak, yet 3 of your top 5 are from the Visitors - 4 if you include TDBYC that is on the deluxe version. Should I Laugh Or Cry is in your top 20 too.
Our tastes seem to be very similar with a few exceptions such as Me and I and Angeleyes. Not that they are bad songs IMO - just coz I think there are better ones.
Perhaps we also differ on TWTIA and SOS. I think I knew your views on the former but not on the latter.
Ode to Freedom will definitely be on my chart if I ever get round to it. You must still be playing Voyage a lot and I am doing that too. Some posts have said they have not listened to it for a while. Can't understand that but each to their own.
It looks like The Visitors is my unshakeable favourite album. I'm still playing Voyage but I notice that my favourites are shifting around. Both WYDWM and JAN have dipped quite a bit in my affections. I surprised myself with the DSMD placing - I thought it might be higher. Maybe I've overplayed it. I'm not sure where Voyage will end up in my affections, ultimately.
I really do like TWTIA but I think, like Dancing Queen, it suffers from being overplayed a bit. SOS is a song I've always admired without really loving, if that makes any sense. I think it could even be that both songs lay the plaintiveness on just a smidgen too much for my tastes? I don't know. They are where they are. Head Over Heels is an interesting one for me: it used to be much further down in my ranking, but I have rediscovered it.
Looking at my list again, I think there's a bunch that could exit this chart soon enough. Like any chart, I guess.
I find these lists fascinating - the concurrences and the wide divergences . Tony's No. 1 The Visitors would be mine, too. And I also would place DQ and TWTIA much lower than I'm sure most fans would. But for me they just don't appeal as they obviously do for so many others. And because I'm a 'good tune' person - even though the lyrics and title do grate on me quite a bit - Dum Dum Diddle would be way up there. Glad Chronington included it - and I Wonder. I cannot understand why the latter isn't held in higher regard. It's a beautiful, poignant melody, wonderfully handled by Frida.
30. Chiquitita 29. Waterloo 28. My Love, My Life 27. Fernando 26. I Let the Music Speak 25. Money Money Money 24. One of Us 23. No Doubt About It 22. Soldiers 21. As Good as New 20. Ring Ring 19. Kisses of Fire 18. Ode to Freedom 17. Like An Angel Passing Through My Room 16. I’m a Marionette 15. One Man, One Woman 14 The Visitors 13. When All is Said and Done 12. My Mama Said 11. Mamma Mia 10. I Still Have Faith in You 9. Take a Chance on Me 8. Summer Night City 7. Lay All Your Love On Me 6. Eagle 5. Don’t Shut Me Down 4. The Name of the Game 3 Dancing Queen 2. Knowing me Knowing You 1.SOS
The Top 3 set in stone, perhaps top 10. The singles from SOS to Summer Night City are all brilliant. Quite a few tracks from ABBA’s most mature albums, The Album and The Visitors and a few from Voyage - although none from The Visitors make my Top 10. Uptempo “disco” songs SNC and LAYLOM deserved more success at the time. If there’s a curve ball, it probably is My Mama Said - fantastic baseline and jazzy funk feel.
No room in my list for The Winner Takes it All, The Day Before You Came, Super Trouper or Gimme Gimme Gimme. Sorry - not sorry.
It's your list so you rightly include and exclude accordingly. I totally agree about LAYLOM and SNC. They just get better and better with age and I reckon Bjorn and Benny feel the same now as both are in the Voyage concert. Never understood their past coldness towards SNC.
Can't see My Mama Said being on other lists, or at least so high up your chart. As you say it's a curveball. Cheers
Another lamb to the slaughter as they say, well done for having a go Johnny, like previous post of mine, it’s funny how we all find it impossible to compile.. but have a go ...but those top ten are set in stone..lol... Life is full of ifs buts and maybes, and we agree about SNC and LAYLOM, I find it hard to understand why SNC especially, as not being on an album, and we waited months and months for the new single, that it wasn’t a bigger hit than it was, of has time made us appreciate it more.. but really should’ve been top 3. We all know why the comparative failure of LAYLOM, happened, in retrospect what a stupid mistake.....
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Okay...here goes my attempt. Not particularly scientific though.
40 The King Kong Song 39 Cassandra 38 Dance (Whilst the Music Still Goes On) 37 Ring Ring 36 Keep An Eye On Dan 35 I Can Be That Woman 34 The King Has Lost His Crown 33 If it Wasn't For The Nights 32 That's Me 31 Slipping Thru My Fingers 30 When I Kissed the Teacher 29 Our Last Summer 28 Lovelight 27 The Name of the Game 26 Should I Laugh or Cry 25 Money Money Money 24 I Still Have Faith In You 23 Fernando 22 Chiquitita 21 Super Trouper 20 Waterloo 19 Don't Shut Me Down 18 I Wonder 17 Take a Chance on Me 16 Like An Angel Passing Thru My Room 15 Mamma Mia 14 Tiger 13 Voulez Vous 12 Gimme Gimme Gimme 11 Ode to Freedom 10 Summer Night City 9 Eagle 8 Lay All Your Love on Me 7 When All is Said and Done 6 The Visitors 5 Dancing Queen 4 SOS 3 The Day Before You Came 2 Knowing Me Knowing You 1 The Winner Takes it All
Well done... I think the heat has got to us, more have contributed than I ever thought..... Great to see some more “ unusual “ tracks in there especially everyone favourite creeping in at 40 ..lol... But again shows our diversity but also a consensus on others....
It's probably more the memory of King Kong Song than its artistic merits. I played the Waterloo album non stop when I bought it - I only had one other album - and I akways loved it. It just makes me smile if you know what I mean. Watch Out would probably be number 41 too!!
It's the full package Richard as Bjorn's lyrics are great too. It's a very poignant song knowing Frida's history. In fact poignant for anyone leaving a small town for a big city. I always hum it when back in my home town for family visits. It just comes in to my head automatically when I am walking around.
40 Another Town, Another Train 39 Gonna Sing You My Lovesong 38 That’s Me 37 The Day Before You Came 36 Cassandra 35 Angeleyes 34 Should I Laugh Or Cry 33 Ring Ring 32 Super Trouper 31 Soldiers 30 Money, Money, Money 29 As Good As New 28 Honey, Honey 27 I Let The Music Speak 26 Mamma Mia 25 I Am The City 24 I’ve Been Waiting For You 23 Hole In Your Soul 22 I Wonder (Departure) 21 Bang-A-Boomerang 20 Dance (While The Music Still Goes On) 19 Kisses Of Fire 18 One Man, One Woman 17 My Love, My Life 16 Move On 15 When I Kissed The Teacher 14 Tiger 13 Our Last Summer 12 Chiquitita 11 One Of Us 10 If It Wasn’t For The Nights 9 Eagle 8 Summer Night City 7 The Winner Takes It All 6 The Name Of The Game 5 Take A Chance On Me 4 SOS 3 Fernando 2 Dancing Queen 1 Knowing Me, Knowing You
Album breakdown: Ring Ring 2, Waterloo 3, ABBA 4, Arrival 7, The Album 7, Voulez-Vous 5, Super Trouper 3, The Visitors 3, Voyage 0, Miscellaneous 6.
Some interesting choices and some unexpected ommissions, like WAISAD and the Visitors.
One thing that strikes me from these lists is that everyone (bar Eddie aka Deleted) has placed SNC in their top 20 or top 10. Bearing in mind it was seen as a bit of a commercial failure on its original release, this shows to me that the song's quality has been reevaluated - and not before time. It's pure class. Always was. Benny and Bjorn are said to have never been particularly fond of it too, which tells me to treat any quotes from them with some caution. As I have said before,the fact it's in the Voyage concert must indicate they too have reappraised it.
I think Agnetha was less than keen on SNC too - I seem to remember her describing it as "a bit repetitive." But it's an absolute peach. AND it has ABBA's best ever video. It'd be nice to think that it could get a new lease of life as a single. Yes, yes, I know it's already out there in all its original energetic glory, but I'd argue that both Voyage and the back catalogue could do with this kind of promo. For my money, the restructured WAISAD is the better single choice because it offers something fairly new, but SNC could be rehabilitated this way too. It wouldn't be a remix of the original track (and thus B&B feeling like they were admitting some kind of failure). It would be a new band performance, a box-fresh mix with modern technology to help tackle the gremlins that allegedly blighted the original.
Well done Gary.. I thought for one quick glimpse there was no Dancing Queen aaagghh..lol and there it is at your number 2...... Always good reading to see personal likes and dislikes.... SNC, not sure why it’s grown in popularity, but boy is it up there with a lot of us....
We need a new injection of news I believe, it’s getting a little quiet in here again.......?
I agree Hometime that WAISAD (Voyage version) would be the obvious choice for a single release. Although Pierce Brosnan murdered it in the first Mamma Mia movie it was a slowed down and totally different arrangement that was quite interesting. If my memory serves me right Kylie used a similar arrangement at a Radio 2 Abba tribute concert a few years back.
Changing subject completely, I listened to Agnetha's A album yesterday. I hadn't heard it for a while and it is really good. Some songs were much better than I remembered such as Bubble. It's quite charming actually. And for a bit of OTT camp nonsense Dance your pain away is just a joy.