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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 20:47:24 GMT
It has never occurred to me that The ABBAtars would 'Sing', (Mime!), to any Old ABBA 'Live' Songs. I've always assumed that they would 'Sing' the Studio Versions of those Songs. I do hope that it isn't 'Live' Vocals, that are used. Either way, there would be no point in an 'ABBAtars CD' being released. It would just be an ABBA CD, with an ABBAtars Photo on the Sleeve! There would be Zero Point, in ABBA Fans buying it. We already have those Hits over and over again. If we don't get a New ABBA Album, I think that Universal will release a 'New' Hits Complation, by the Group - adding the 2 to 5 'New' Songs as 'Bait', to get ABBA Fans to buy it. (Or to attempt to!). As to what Old ABBA Songs, The ABBAtars will Mime to - I'm expecting most - if not all of them, to be Songs, that were used in the 2 'Mamma Mia!' Films. Benny & Bjorn seem to want, to use those Songs, over and over again. It is not very imaginative, really. So, it will mostly be ABBA Singles, from the 2 Films. Just like Cher chooses, for her ABBA Albums...
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Post by stepalm on Feb 10, 2020 21:01:45 GMT
Im quite sure I Heard Benny or Bjorn talk about that it would be a live band playing all the instruments but with vocals from ABBA and the ABBA tars performing as ABBA. Mabye that have changed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 22:39:52 GMT
Stepalm - I know that there will be a 'Live' Band in The ABBAtar 'Shows', but I was assuming, (& hoping!), that the actual ABBA Vocals would be from their Studio Recordings. Not that I'll - ever - go to any of the 'Shows'. I never go outside Great Britain. Even if The ABBAtars 'Static Shows Venue', was in London, I'd never go. I've never liked London. I just stay in Manchester. There will probably be a DVD released, of one of the 'Shows'. We will see, I'll buy that - out of curiosity...
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Post by richard on Feb 11, 2020 21:31:47 GMT
My ideal - and I appreciate that I'm right in the middle of fantasy land here - would be for ABBA to record a final double album that would constitute their pop music masterpiece. Disc A would comprise reimagined tracks from their catalogue, including both pared-down versions and remixes; and Disc B would consist of entirely new songs. They've certainly had the time to do such a thing.
Both discs would employ a variety of instrumention and arrangement ideas, and deploy a lot of acoustic sounds, including orchestral (as opposed to synthy); and of course those orchestral sounds wouldn't have to apply only to slow ballads with a classical feel. But if ABBA are looking for "timeless", then that strikes me as one consideration.
Now if only Benny and Bjorn would cut themselves free of what must be the energy-sapping diversion that is the avatar show and just concentrate on what really matters, the music! But I don't suppose they regard the avatars as a diversion at all; indeed, the delays indicate that they're regarded as central as the music itself. I appreciate that the avatar project was the instigator for their getting back together in the studio at all after some 35 years, so we should be grateful for that. But how disappointing that, apparently, the music hasn't taken over! I find it so, anyway
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Post by josef on Feb 11, 2020 23:59:37 GMT
Oh, Richard. I echo your feelings. Indeed. A final masterpiece. Something more than just ABBA GOLD.
The group need/deserve this. Something to cement their legacy and do away with Mamma Mia! and any other dubious associations once and for all. Yes, I know they've been inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame and so on...they have the museum...but one final, classy retrospective, just as you described.
I suppose there's no harm in dreaming. It's just a tad frustrating because I can see it in my mind's eye. Why can't they? Oh, well.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Feb 13, 2020 10:56:26 GMT
As 2020 marks the 40th Anniversary of ABBA's 1980 Spanish album 'Gracias Por La Musica' does anyone know if its being re-released as a Half Speed master as it would be nice plus the cover on the album is really nice we will definitely get 'Super Trouper' wanted to know if 'Gracias Por La Musica' Half Speed master has been announced.
I am looking forward to hearing the new ABBA songs 'I Still Have Faith In You' & 'Don't Shut Me Down' plus any others that are released.
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Post by chron on Feb 13, 2020 13:34:08 GMT
the cover on the album is really nice Would have to strongly disagree - it's just about their worst album cover design, perfunctory and uninspired. The matching boiler-suits are a bad idea, the empty white background spatially indeterminate and dull and the oil-crayon 'air mail' edging is done sloppily, plus, Benny should've been taken out at dawn and finished off with rusty bullets for opting to wear those ghastly boots. Discogs credits Rune Soederqvist with the design, which I find very hard to believe, but if he was responsible, then he clearly treated it as a contractual obligation job, to be dashed off as quickly as possible.
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Post by chron on Feb 13, 2020 13:54:28 GMT
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Post by josef on Feb 13, 2020 15:50:05 GMT
Have to agree. That's their worst album cover. It's in the running for worst album cover of all time, actually. Truly hideous. Whoever decided on that needs sacking. They all look a state. Frida's make up is hideous and the blokes look ridiculous.
Apart from that, I like it. Joke. I hate it.
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Post by Zeebee on Feb 13, 2020 22:03:59 GMT
[...] In the meantime, 'ABBA Gold' is doing very well on iTunes again. It is currently No.4, (Holding), on Global iTunes and No.3, (up from No.5), on European iTunes Sorry man, and I'll ask as nicely as I can, but can stuff about chart positions and sales figures be confined to the specialist thread(s)? I know that you're riveted by this stuff, but some of us find it stultifying, and it would surely be best for those of both persuasions if the dry facts and figures pertaining to unit-shifting were kept penned-in in their own area, where they can be easily located and enjoyed, or avoided like the coronavirus, as the case may be (this is ABBAchat, not ABBAchart!). Orf, you are free to not read any posts that you are not interested in. You can easily avoid those posts no matter what threads they are in. Yes, the name of this forum is ABBAChat, not ABBAChart, but what you refer to is ABBA-related.
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Post by josef on Feb 14, 2020 22:30:33 GMT
Ooh you are orful 😆
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Post by angela on Feb 15, 2020 2:20:19 GMT
I've never noticed those boots before. LOL. At least benny and Agnetha are wearing my favourite colour. Purple.
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Post by chron on Feb 15, 2020 14:51:13 GMT
Any more puns as bad as that and you'll have to clear orf, matey. Zeebee, of course you're right, and I understand that I'm free to read or ignore any post, and wasn't pushing for a forum 'rule' to be implemented. It just strikes me that stuff relating exclusively to sales has a specialist/limited appeal, and it would make more sense both to those enraptured by such stuff and those enervated by it, for it all to be kept together in one or two authoritative 'ledger' threads, where the charting of the ups and downs, and the long lines of figures comprising many zeros, would have more meaning, in a continuum-sense. It was just a casual suggestion. I think I'll have to disagree with you about these stats and figures constituting ABBA 'news', since I don't think they say anything of interest about ABBA as a band, or a creative force, or as a set (a 'dynamic') of individual personalities (we could tell each other our heights and shoe sizes and how much we earned last month, but I don't think we would learn anything especially enlightening or essential about each other). ABBA stats carry on their merry way, never reaching an end and will continue to do so long after the members of ABBA and the rest of us have long gone, and such inexorable and open-ended situations seem a bit beside the point, personally. But to reiterate: I accept what you say, and I'll just have to put up with it.
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Post by chron on Feb 15, 2020 15:37:12 GMT
I've never noticed those boots before. LOL. They were chalked down to make a solo album on Polar at one stage (Benny's Stövlar: Historien om vårt liv), but Frida and Agnetha pulled them off Benny's feet while he was having a nap in the studio one day, legged it to the outskirts of Stockholm, burned them on a pyre and hoyed the ashes down a deep well.
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Post by chron on Feb 15, 2020 17:01:13 GMT
(Sorry; I'm bored.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 6:50:09 GMT
As ABBA will almost certainly using a lot of CGI + The ABBAtars, in Promo Videos, for the 'New' Songs, I'm wondering, if they will use any of that retrospectively? If they wanted to, they could make ABBAtars Videos for many of their Old Singles, too. I know, that many ABBA Fans, are 'purists' and they would not want ABBA to do anything like that. Some Fans, don't even want The ABBAtars to be used in Clips for the 'New' Songs! The 'New' Songs, must have ABBAtars, in their Videos. ABBA have Zero plans, to be seen, in any Promo Videos, for the 'New' Songs. Some Fans, find it very hard, to accept. In some parts of The Internet, I've seen a few Fans, still thinking that ABBA are going to go on Tour! That is a huge, improbable Fantasy. The ABBAtars are not just being 'created', to make ABBA money. They are also being made, to be in Videos, for 'New' ABBA Songs. Without The ABBAtars, there would be nothing to promote the 'New' Songs with! Some ABBA Fans are finding it terribly hard, to accept that. (Even if, the plans, to do an ABBAtars 'Show', come to nothing, they will still be used in ABBA Promo Videos).
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Post by josef on Feb 16, 2020 11:12:22 GMT
^I already suggested the avatars could be used to make videos for old ABBA songs, specifically ones without an official video. I think it could be fun. I'd like to see 'Agnetha' and 'Frida' singing 'Angeleyes', for instance. Why not? I am kind of puristy but the technology is here and it ain't going away so embrace it I say. It's going to happen whether we like it or not.
The one thing it will do will make the actual recordings of ABBA singing more special.
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Post by nadine on Feb 16, 2020 18:04:18 GMT
I would like to see in their new clips .. the ABBAtars as planned but also some pictures of them now .. maybe during the recordings .. the girls are still so beautiful ... but now.... we've been waiting almost 35 + 3 years .... too eager to hear them still singing all 4 together .. it was so improbable to see them together again .... I can still wait a few months .... but it's long ...... so long ... so long ... so long 😉
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 19:33:00 GMT
Josef - Yes, The ABBAtars could be used to also make Videos for Songs that never had a proper Video. Tracks such as: 'Love Isn't Easy (But It Sure Is Hard Enough)', 'Rock 'N' Roll Band', 'Hasta Manana', 'Nina, Pretty Ballerina', 'My Mama Said', 'Dance (While The Music Still Goes On', 'What About Livingstone?', 'Gonna Sing You My Lovesong', 'I've Been Waiting For You', 'Hey Hey Helen', 'When I Kissed The Teacher', 'My Love, My Life', 'Dum Dum Diddle', 'Thats Me', 'Why Did It Have To Be Me', 'Tiger', 'Arrival', 'Move On', 'Hole In Your Soul', 'I'm A Marionette', 'As Good As New', 'Angel Eyes', 'If It Wasn't For The Nights', 'Kisses of Fire', 'Lovelight', 'Dream World', 'Andante Andante', 'Me & I', The Piper', 'Lay All Your Love On Me', 'The Way Old Friends Do', 'Put On Your White Sombrero', 'Elaine', 'Soldiers', 'I Let The Music Speak', 'Slipping Through My Fingers', 'Like An Angel Passing Through My Room', 'Should I Laugh Or Cry', 'Cassandra', 'You Owe Me One', and 'I Am The City'. There's Just a small selection there, but they are just examples. (Lol!). I've only left off the Album Tracks, that I'm not so keen on. Or, The ABBAtars could be used, to do Videos, of every Track, on every ABBA Studio Album, including the Non-Album 'B' Sides. The 'ABBAtars' Albums would then be released on DVD...
Plus, an ABBAtars DVD, of ABBA's 'Foreign' Language Songs...
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Post by shoshin on Feb 17, 2020 1:20:25 GMT
...I understand that I'm free to read or ignore any post...it would make more sense...I don't think we would learn anything especially enlightening or essential...inexorable and open-ended situations...But to reiterate... You're writing soporific volumes to argue that a single sentence was 'stultifying'
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Post by chron on Feb 17, 2020 13:57:33 GMT
Apart from the bits extracted, was the rest okay?! I can waffle; I've admitted it before. And I was bored. But to be fair, I wasn't taking issue with just a single sentence. (There are snappier ways to say 'soporific volumes' for that matter, but then you were making a point, and besides, soporific is a nice word and deserves a trot round.)
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Post by josef on Feb 17, 2020 22:01:26 GMT
I'm not sure he realises you were mainly responding to onlyabbaforme and not just my wonderful quip.
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Post by josef on Feb 17, 2020 22:06:02 GMT
Oh and onlyabbaforme a lot of the songs you mention already have a video or at least a performance by ABBA available somewhere. I meant ones where there is NO footage of the group singing the song at all.
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Post by chron on Feb 17, 2020 22:15:55 GMT
I'm not sure he realises you were mainly responding to onlyabbaforme and not just my wonderful quip. I don't know; Shoshin quotes 'stultifying', which comes from the post at the top of the page. In any case, he makes a decent point: I can ramble on, and I should try and rein it now and then (in fact I do, sometimes - several times I've posted long-winded replies, only to delete them after second thoughts). The apparent emptiness of this place at times can do odd things to you though; the other day I felt I was rattling around in here on my own. You can begin to go a bit crackers.
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Post by josef on Feb 17, 2020 22:22:38 GMT
I hear ya, bro! *echo...echo...echo*
Yes, I saw a post recently that you deleted. It was quite lengthy. Something about the Agnetha and Frida picture threads? How many, etc. Your knowledge impressed me! When I looked later, it had disappeared into thin air! 😮
You don't half remind me of my old pal from the old abbasite. Similar sense of humour.
I suppose we should be grateful there is this forum as so many places have folded on the net. Bloody Facebook, Twitter and Instagram have cornered the market in social media.
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Post by richard on Feb 18, 2020 8:29:46 GMT
I debated with myself whether I should post this, but then I thought: here goes. Orf's comments rang a bell with me. Occasionally, in my more negative moments, I wonder what is the point of a forum such as this. It's not exactly abuzz with activity. Only a handful of people post regularly. It's very difficult to come up with fresh topics (which soon die away, anyway, as is natural; except for a thread such as this, which has become a 'grab bag' for everything). And it's inevitable that old ground will be gone over yet again. Apart from that, I'm glad to be here! 😀 (I've never been on Twitter or Facebook.)
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 18, 2020 10:19:14 GMT
As long as there are a handful of us that post, we’ll be ok, there’s rather a lot who never post, which is annoying as they are naturally of varying opinions, and would be interesting to hear. Most of the regulars , we tend to know a little of their thoughts, and no real big surprises, me included. Im not a social media person, no accounts, so this is a little life line for me, and what meagre news there is, that’s why I’m happy with chart facts etc, I’m not a picture person so much, so horses for courses, at least it’s a post and something to read, look. We’re lucky to be going at all after 40 plus years, and for something to talk about is a bonus.. Im sure there will be a non stop snow storm of facts figures thoughts when we eventually get the new stuff, which will keep us going for another couple of years. So a post is better than non, and as said you don’t have to read , respond or agree.. just keep those that we have posting..posting..
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Post by richard on Feb 18, 2020 12:28:09 GMT
I think there might be several reasons why more don't post, perhaps the main ones being fear of being criticised, or not getting a response at all because others don't agree with what has been expressed or, worse, others will be indifferent. But, really, those concerns are not worth bothering about! I'm sure we all just want to welcome more people who will post and read what they have to say.
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Post by chron on Feb 18, 2020 13:14:56 GMT
I think there might be several reasons why more don't post, perhaps the main ones being fear of being criticised That fear is probably one of the reasons I babble on at times. By going 'round the Wrekin I can try and get a couple of shots off without provoking an abruptly harsh response, or something. I might come across as one of the more confident posters in here, but in reality I'm pretty thin-skinned. Confrontation in real life very much gets me down. But on the whole, when the choice is between posting or not posting, I'd say post. And if you cop a bit of flak, try not to lash-out defensively in the heat of the moment. Have a think, and see if you can't learn something about yourself from it (sometimes it's a 'lesson' you've had to sit through before, but a 'refresher course' does no harm). Above all, resist the urge to 'flounce'!
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Post by madonnabba on Feb 18, 2020 20:33:36 GMT
I have just joined Facebook after years of resisting. I have joined a few Abba groups but that won’t stop me from visiting or commenting on this forum. I have my own opinions and appreciate that others may or may not agree with them. However I like to consider others opinions and their reasons for liking or not a particular song or view. It makes me challenge my own opinions about a song and listen to it afresh or reconsider a view from a different perspective. Hope everyone keeps posting.
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