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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 27, 2022 7:50:07 GMT
The 'thyme' example is interesting - I googled it and it turns out that pronouncing it with a 'th' sound rather than a 't' sound is also considered acceptable. To be fair, I hear thyme being pronounced with a strong th where I live. See also Thai/Thailand (grr). But try getting a Dubliner to pronounce the th in things (tings), there (dare)! Sheesh! And before any of my fellow Irish fans leap on my back, I will add #NotAllDubliners  We have some singers here who (mis) pronounce those words as they'd speak them, and I don't think it's an affectation. And their fans really seem to appreciate the authenticity. I had to listen to AGAN to reacquaint myself with tough. I don't think I noticed the issue since the album first came out. It sounds like the word was isolated and pushed right back for a instant in the mix. I'm wondering if the error was only spotted at the mixing stage? Did some point it out and ask "what's that word?" |
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Post by gamleman on Apr 27, 2022 8:03:26 GMT
In "Fernando", as a child I didn't even realise that "Since many years" is grammatically incorrect but now I regard it as charming and certainly not bothersome. After all, the singer is supposedly Mexican.
A mis-pronunciation that I don't think anyone has mentioned is "croissants" in "Our Last Summer" - it sounds more like "corrassants" to me.
I hadn't noticed the "tough" in "As Good As New" - I don't see this as a mis-pronunciation, it's just that it's buried in the mix.
Regarding the 'th' sound, I recall that when ABBA came to London to promote "Arrival", Frida told a Radio 1 DJ that they were going on a boat on the Thames, pronouncing the full 'th' sound, but she wasn't to know - English is not a logical language when it comes to pronunciation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 8:36:48 GMT
English certainly isn't a logical or phonetic language.
Cough
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Same last 4 letters
Last 3 not pronounced
Both words don't sound alike at all.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 27, 2022 8:42:31 GMT
English certainly isn't a logical or phonetic language. Cough vs Dough Same last 4 letters Last 3 not pronounced Both words don't sound alike at all. Yes, and how about place names like Edinburgh, Loughborough and Leicester? |
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Post by welshboy on Apr 27, 2022 9:43:12 GMT
I think it is a charm the way they say there words in songs they are SWEDISH not BRITISH that's why I love their songs so much. As for Voyage I don't think there are any weak songs. I love them all.
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Post by madonnabba on Apr 27, 2022 10:25:42 GMT
The songs on Voyage are age appropriate. Having songs like Angel Eyes or When I kissed the teacher would seem odd if they were on Voyage. Fun thought...what if one of the unfinished tracks was titled Voyage? Might explain the album title. Or is it a nod to ISHFIY...the journey they have been on through the years? Love the album . Warming to LT.
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Post by jj on Apr 27, 2022 11:37:26 GMT
After almost 6 months and without the novelty of a new album, I rank it mid-way on their studio albums.
My ranking similarly puts it in the middle, with a few changes below it and above it:
1. Super Trouper 2. The Album 3. The Visitors 4. Arrival 5. VOYAGE 6. Voulez Vous 7. Abba 8. Waterloo 9. Ring Ring |
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Apr 27, 2022 13:08:03 GMT
The songs on Voyage are age appropriate. Having songs like Angel Eyes or When I kissed the teacher would seem odd if they were on Voyage. Fun thought...what if one of the unfinished tracks was titled Voyage? Might explain the album title. Or is it a nod to ISHFIY...the journey they have been on through the years? Love the album . Warming to LT. Given we know the first two songs recorded for the album are I Still Have Faith In You and Don't Shut Me Down, I definitely think that 'Voyage' is so-named after the metaphorical voyage that they have gone through. ISHFIY is the memory of days gone by, looked upon fondly DSMD is the present day or 'now and then combined' as they like to call it. Plenry of other songs on the album fit the theme too. When You Danced With Me (sometimes people you love forge different paths in life), I Can Be That Woman (dark tale of a dysfunctional relationship with hints of hope that it can become better), other songs can probably fit the theme too if we stretch the idea of 'life's voyage' a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 14:35:45 GMT
The latest Bobby's Brother looks at likely setlist for the concert.
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 27, 2022 16:31:40 GMT
Voulez-Vous was mentioned as one of the songs the band played at the audition/try-out stage. Songs like TACOM, GGG and maybe ST seem like Gold-based essentials. Would OLS really make the cut ahead of them? Especially when tempo is a consideration? If much of that conjecture is right, the setlist looks pretty interesting. I'm also wondering if there is some kind of "overture" that will be played by the band as the curtain rises (so to speak), an instrumental medley that might make token inclusion of missing hits?
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Post by abbafanie on Apr 27, 2022 16:50:42 GMT
Voulez-Vous was mentioned as one of the songs the band played at the audition/try-out stage. Songs like TACOM, GGG and maybe ST seem like Gold-based essentials. Would OLS really make the cut ahead of them? Especially when tempo is a consideration? If much of that conjecture is right, the setlist looks pretty interesting. I'm also wondering if there is some kind of "overture" that will be played by the band as the curtain rises (so to speak), an instrumental medley that might make token inclusion of missing hits? Take A Chance On Me is definitely in the show to some extent, as there was a behind-the-scenes photo months ago showing them recording something with the song's name on the clapperboard. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 17:06:01 GMT
I'm not that convinced OLS would make the list. Pretty sure TACOM and GGG will and LAYLOM.
The vast majority of songs are going to be uptempo. That would be in keeping with fan preferences, the nature of a concert and the fact they have a dancing section by the stage.
There will be some ballads/slower paced songs eg TWTIA, ISHFIY, KMKY, TYFTM.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Apr 27, 2022 17:35:19 GMT
Even though it will never in a million years happen, it would be hilarious if they busted out a couple of songs that only the diehard fans would know. Imagine going from Dancing Queen to Mamma Mia and then onto something like Me and Bobby and Bobby's Brother!
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Post by bennybjorn on Apr 27, 2022 18:38:18 GMT
I'm not that convinced OLS would make the list. Pretty sure TACOM and GGG will and LAYLOM. The vast majority of songs are going to be uptempo. That would be in keeping with fan preferences, the nature of a concert and the fact they have a dancing section by the stage. There will be some ballads/slower paced songs eg TWTIA, ISHFIY, KMKY, TYFTM. There may well be. I'm wondering, though, if they will play the likes of B or F. And I'd really love to hear S. |
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Post by madonnabba on Apr 27, 2022 18:59:54 GMT
Just heard Just a notion on Eastenders tonight.
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Post by madonnabba on Apr 27, 2022 19:01:51 GMT
B? Bumblebee? F Fernando? S Soldiers?
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Post by gamleman on Apr 27, 2022 19:28:16 GMT
Yes, I think B, F and S are rather vague  I was just looking at the new ABBA Bremen 1979 CD on Amazon and was puzzled by the photo used on the front-cover. Not only is it not from the 1979 concert tour but Agnetha is pulling her face as if she is disapproving of what Bjorn or Benny is saying (I can't tell which one is talking). What an odd photo to choose for a CD cover. www.amazon.co.uk/Bremen-1979-Abba/dp/B09TMYW7M4Apart from that, there is some dispute in the reviews as to whether it is really the German concert or the Wembley concert. However, two reviewers comment on the good sound quality and it would be interesting to know whether it's better than the Wembley CD of 2014. |
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Post by bennybjorn on Apr 27, 2022 20:16:46 GMT
B? Bumblebee? F Fernando? S Soldiers? Yes! |
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Post by joseph on Apr 27, 2022 20:36:44 GMT
What's wrong with tough in AGAN? I can't hear a problem.
I hope TYFTM and TWOFD aren't in Voyage. Same with TKHLHC. I want to hear Tiger, etc..and HIYS. The uplifting, banging tunes.
I didn't know thyme could be pronounced two ways! That's good to know.
The most glaring "error" for me was Agnetha's pronunciation of jewelled in IITYECYM. I gather the letter j is hard for Swedes to pronounce but Agnetha/ABBA have certainly pronounced it correctly before. I wonder why it was left in? Not that it bothers me- it's actually my very favourite song ever.
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Post by abbafanie on Apr 27, 2022 21:26:59 GMT
Yes, I think B, F and S are rather vague I was just looking at the new ABBA Bremen 1979 CD on Amazon and was puzzled by the photo used on the front-cover. Not only is it not from the 1979 concert tour but Agnetha is pulling her face as if she is disapproving of what Bjorn or Benny is saying (I can't tell which one is talking). What an odd photo to choose for a CD cover.
www.amazon.co.uk/Bremen-1979-Abba/dp/B09TMYW7M4Apart from that, there is some dispute in the reviews as to whether it is really the German concert or the Wembley concert. However, two reviewers comment on the good sound quality and it would be interesting to know whether it's better than the Wembley CD of 2014. To me, the picture looks like it could be from a rehearsal for "ABBA in Switzerland", based on the big gold curtain behind them - it's definitely a peculiar photo, it must've been cheap to licence! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 21:33:19 GMT
I thought I would post my ranking of my favourite ABBA studio albums in reverse order,
9. " Ring Ring "
8. " Waterloo "
7. " ABBA "
6. " The Album "
5. " The Visitors "
4. " Voulez-Vous "
3.." Arrival "
2. " Super Trouper "
1. " Voyage "
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Post by bennybjorn on Apr 27, 2022 22:02:22 GMT
Ok. Hate is a strong word. But clearly some songs eg Ode To Freedom, Dan, No Doubt About It provoke different reactions and appear near top or near bottom on people's rankings. Don't Shut Me Down usually top. Little Things usuallly bottom. One other consensus thing, Johnny, I would argue is that although I Still Have Faith is universally admired, a lot of people add that it's not really their cup of tea (so to speak) and don't much enjoy listening to it. Have you got that impression at all? |
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Post by justabba on Apr 28, 2022 6:10:34 GMT
No, I totally agree with you.
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Post by gamleman on Apr 28, 2022 7:47:16 GMT
No, I totally agree with you. All sorts of things are discussed in this thread. Like it or not, it is a general chat thread - some things may interest an individual, some things may not, which doesn't mean they can't be discussed. There are discussions that I keep out of because they are of little interest to me. I earlier suggested terminating this thread and creating a separate general chat thread (as well as dedicated Voyage album and show threads), but was ignored. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Apr 28, 2022 8:05:45 GMT
Well there's certainly no need to participate in a discussion that doesn't interest you. I've swerved a few myself.
I do agree that we should be moving on to dedicated threads now. But, with so few actually participating, is anyone bothered enough to make the effort?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 8:06:12 GMT
I agree, Gamleman. This is now a general thread. Requests for this to be Voyage only are ignored as are new threads.
Some people don't like talk about charts and sales. I am not really interested in different coloured discs or picture discs.Nor am I a 'completist'. Some, aren't interested in ABBA's pronuciation or grammatical errors. Tough. Skip bits you don't like.
BennyBjorn - I like I Still Have Faith in You but it is not a song you put on repeat.
Perhaps there are fans who 'appreciate' it rather than 'enjoy' it. Perhaps a bit like The Visitors, The Day Before You Came or I Let the Music Speak.
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Post by foreverfan on Apr 28, 2022 9:42:32 GMT
I have to agree,^^ it’s frustrating, I instigated Eurovision and Alan moved to its own thread where it has now died a death, I’m ok with that not everyone’s cup of tea, so yes I skip many discussions, not interested in Lyrics, I wonder why people collect so many of the same, but hey hey each to their own.
It’s true even though over 600 members now still only a handful participate, so general discussion it seems to be.. our go to thread...
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Post by richard on Apr 28, 2022 10:16:56 GMT
When the Voyage album came out, I would've preferred that it had a thread in the (ABBA) Music section like their other albums, but it was felt that discussion would be lost doing that because this thread had become the default. I suggest locking this thread and reverting to having discrete threads devoted to specific topics. If people are interested enough to be on this forum, surely it's no big deal to seek out threads of interest to them? I started quite a few topics in the non-ABBA section of the forum, which have got a few responses, but so does this thread - topics go from here to there, even when related to ABBA. If I can think of anything else to say related to the ESC, Graham, I won't be put off that it's in an appropriate place in the forum. |
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Apr 28, 2022 10:29:37 GMT
On a completely separate tangent, I've noticed a few people say that Frida's voice comes out stronger on the album than Agnetha's does. Which I can see but I think it's more complex than that.
To start with I was astonished at just how little their voices had changed over four decades. But now I've 'assimilated' their Voyage tracks with their previous songs, I notice the differences more. Their voices still blend beautifully, but at a lower average tone than they used to do. I think the highest harmonies throughout the album (excluding Just A Notion for obvious reasons) are in the chorus of I Still Have Faith In You and the very end of No Doubt About It and Bumblebee. Otherwise their tone is more like what they used in songs like Fernando and Knowing Me Knowing You compared to, say, Mamma Mia or Dancing Queen. And at that tone Frida's voice comes through more - that's why on songs like Little Things and When You Danced With Me you could be forgiven for thinking it's Frida double tracked.
That's also a big part of what I like about Ode to Freedom. Frida and Agnetha stand in complete contrast to each other in a way they didn't much before (apart from Money Money Money and similar tracks) - Frida's voice has a great earthy tone while Agnetha's almost sounds like a ghostly wail. Take either voice away and the song loses a huge chunk of power.
And although not the strongest song, I simply adore Agnetha's lead in I Can Be That Woman, lilting back and forth between the high tones of the 70s and lower notes you didn't hear much before. And Frida is still able to throw in some gorgeous backing vocals.
One final point I'm sure no one else cares about but me - I love the symmetry of the vocals. Discounting Just A Notion, there are 3 joint leads, 3 Frida leads and 3 Agnetha leads. That makes me happier than it probably should!
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Post by gamleman on Apr 28, 2022 10:40:01 GMT
This site certainly has places for different topics but I find it rather large and fragmented. I confess that I am guilty of posting in this thread when I could have posted in another thread, for convenience as much as anything. However, I feel that there is a need for a chat thread like this as it fosters a sense of community and maintains a momentum that is more difficult to achieve with lots of different threads. To be honest, after my initial burst of posts when I joined, I wouldn't have followed this forum or posted half as much if it hadn't been for this thread.
Regarding A&F's voices on "Voyage", I find them a little different than they used to be. There is now a certain fragility to them but they are still quite capable. Certainly, the sharp harmonies are largely absent, although this may be more to do with production.
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We have some singers here who (mis) pronounce those words as they'd speak them, and I don't think it's an affectation. And their fans really seem to appreciate the authenticity.
